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On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 10:14, blacksheep337 wrote:

> BOTH HAVE ADVANTAGES > LOUD EXAUST INCREASES THE CHANCES YOU WILL BE NOTICED BY CARS. > QUIET EXAUST IS QUIET GOOD FOR EARS AND SNEAKING AROUND

You're about to find out just how popular YELLING ON THE LIST makes you. About as popular AS RUNNING A LOUD EXHAUST. Do you honestly believe that cars notice you because of you're loud exhaust? Seriously, I am curious as to what false science you're operating under. Z

OK, hear (no pun intended) we go!! Next time you see a bike coming toward you , pay close attention to when you hear it, no matter how load it is. Most crashes happen from the front, with the driver failing to yield the right of way.

----- Original Message ----- From: "blacksheep337" To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 10:14 AM Subject: [DSN_klr650] LOUD EXAUST > BOTH HAVE ADVANTAGES > LOUD EXAUST INCREASES THE CHANCES YOU WILL BE NOTICED BY CARS. > QUIET EXAUST IS QUIET GOOD FOR EARS AND SNEAKING AROUND > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

You'll get a few people talking about your use of the CAPS-LOCK key along with the loud exhaust issue. Generally, using all caps is the email equivalent of yelling at people. My own experience (12 years riding in and around NYC) tells me that loud pipes are of little or no use as a safety device. People who aren't looking, aren't listening either. To have a motorcycle exhaust noise penetrate a modern car interior from a useful distance, with the windows up and the radio set to a moderate volume, would require an exhaust so loud that you would damage your hearing while riding. Anything quieter won't work. I have had Harley's in the blind spot of a rented van, with loud pipes, and I didn't know they were there until I physically turned my head to change lanes. Sure it's stupid to ride in someone's blind spot, but if it was someone careless instead of another motorcyclist at the wheel that day, he would have been knocked off the road. A loud exhaust just makes people hate motorcycles and motorcyclists. I sincerely hope you never have to find out the hard way that a loud pipe won't keep some blind jackass from running you over. Devon gmouton@... wrote:

>BOTH HAVE ADVANTAGES >LOUD EXAUST INCREASES THE CHANCES YOU WILL BE NOTICED BY CARS. >QUIET EXAUST IS QUIET GOOD FOR EARS AND SNEAKING AROUND > >

I think intentionally installing loud exhaust pipes is rude & crude, especially on an off road motorcycles Some dual sport organized rides check the noise output before permitting you to participating. My Y2k KLR650 with totally stock, unmodified exhaust just barely meets their limits. I can't blame them & think it's a good idea. Around here, DS rides frequently pass campsites, remote vacation cabins, farmhouses, people riding horses, etc. These folks are trying get away for a little peace & quiet, having a bunch of excessively loud motorcycle passing by is just not a good thing. --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Zachariah Mully wrote:

> On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 10:14, blacksheep337 wrote: > > BOTH HAVE ADVANTAGES > > LOUD EXAUST INCREASES THE CHANCES YOU WILL BE NOTICED BY CARS. > > QUIET EXAUST IS QUIET GOOD FOR EARS AND SNEAKING AROUND > > You're about to find out just how popular YELLING ON THE LIST makes

you.

> About as popular AS RUNNING A LOUD EXHAUST. Do you honestly believe

that

> cars notice you because of you're loud exhaust? Seriously, I am

curious

> as to what false science you're operating under. > > Z DC > A5X > A12X

> > I still get comments from people in my neighborhood who don't know I > ride. Unlike my neighbor who every time he rolls in has to blip his > throttle on his FatBoy. The neighbors all 'love' him tremendously. > > jim > > BTW - all caps is considered 'shouting' via email. Of course it may > help you get noticed by cars...

Jim, I know how you feel. My neighbor, known as "Doofus" to most everyone, has a Kawi cruiser with straight pipes and he feels the need to let everyone in the neighborhood when he's coming and going with loud blaps of the throttle. This is a guy who told me once that he likes a quiet neighborhood. I might like one too if I every got the chance to experience it. I just wish the cops would pull these guys over once in awhile. I'll never forget coming down a residential street one day on my VFR 750, which is about as quiet a bike as you can buy. There were two little girls on the corner and when the saw my bike they covered their ears. As I whispered by, they uncovered them, looked puzzled at the lack of noise, and smiled at me. People who feel the need for loud pipes need to realize that they're the only ones who think it's cool. Everyone else thinks they're inconsiderate idiots. __Arden

arden646@... wrote:

>My neighbor, known as "Doofus" to most everyone, >has a Kawi cruiser with straight pipes and he feels the need to let >everyone in the neighborhood when he's coming and going with loud >blaps of the throttle. >

This whole thing got started because race carbs (Amal GPs et al) didn't have idle circuits or chokes. You had to keep the engire revving at a stop or it would stall (since you basically don't stop in a race, this made the carbs simpler to tune). Particularly warming up the motor. So since the "racers" sat there blipping their throttles, people thought it was just the cool thing to do. Mostly it's just the sign of either: 1- an idiot 2- a person with mechanical problems trying to keep the motor running, or someone trying to identify the thing they can hear rattling around at a high rpm. The thing that really pisses me off, is there are ALREADY laws about loud pipes. The police departments just won't bother to buy a friggin' sound meter and enforce them . So much easier to just ban motorcycles, from parklands, streets, etc. Devon

rsand_@... wrote:

>I think intentionally installing loud exhaust pipes is rude & crude, >especially on an off road motorcycles > >Some dual sport organized rides check the noise output before >permitting you to participating. My Y2k KLR650 with totally stock, >unmodified exhaust just barely meets their limits. >

That's just nuts. How are they measuring? The KLR stock exhaust is the quietest thing I've heard short of a K-series BMW. What other bikes are people riding through these checks? Is it possible their sound meter is picking up mechanical noise from the motor? I've read that HD originally went to the expense of fitting helical cut gears in the transmission (expensive but quieter than straight-cut) so they could fit a more open exhaust and still meet the overall noise limit. I notice that a lot of the two-stroke enduro bikes, with stock pipes (not road legal but still pretty quiet) have a LOT more gear noise, like everything is straight-cut from the primary drive to the countershaft. But gear noise (and valvetrain noise as well) is high-frequency and doesn't carry well at all. Devon