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>>I am proposing that not every one uses counter steering to turn. >>What's more I am proposing that you could ride from coast to coast >>without ever having to counter steer, ruling out the sudden appearance >>of deer and left turning cars etc. >Some claim that they steer the rear wheel with their ass. Not sure which >seat works best for that technique.

One that's connected to a shaft-driven motorcycle, obviously. RM

> >>>I am proposing that not every one uses counter steering to turn. >>>What's more I am proposing that you could ride from coast to coast >>>without ever having to counter steer, ruling out the sudden appearance >>>of deer and left turning cars etc. > >>Some claim that they steer the rear wheel with their ass. Not sure which >>seat works best for that technique. > >One that's connected to a shaft-driven motorcycle, obviously. > >RM >

Or one with a belt driven or chain drive or one that is coasting. Alan Henderson A13 Iowa

Alan, your right not everyone uses counter steering. I teach counter steering in my MSF and Rider's Edge Riding Classes. Here is the easy way to explain it to the uninitiated: The counter steering process works well. It is the easy way to turn a motorcycle. You shift the center of gravity and contact patch from the center tall part of the tire to the shorter radius of the shoulder of the tire. Less distance to travel on every rotation of the tire will allow for the motorcycle following an easier path of travel though a curve. Counter steering can be done at a speed as low as 8 miles an hour. Counter steering does not directly involve your butt. It may seem lie it as you lean the motorcycle after the initial handle bar movement. The press of the handlebars forward (like a jab in boxing), as apposed to merely pressing down on the bar ends, will cause the bike to feel like it goes in the wrong direction for just a second. Hence the expression 'counter steer'. The motorcycle will 'fall away from' the turn as the handle bar movement causes the motorcycle to steer in the direction opposite of the intended final direction. Then, you press down on the inside handle bar end. It follows that the sensation of pressing on the downside of the motorcycle, would feel like your using your butt. Actually your butt is following the front of the motorcycle. Easiest way to remember counter steering is press the bar straight forwards on the side you wish to go, then press down on the turn side. Look right, press right .... Go right! I know I have stirred up a can of worms. Sorry. PauL M. Bober -----Original Message----- From: Alan L Henderson [mailto:alhenderson@...] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 12:39 PM To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: Topic - NKLR

> >>>I am proposing that not every one uses counter steering to turn. >>>What's more I am proposing that you could ride from coast to coast >>>without ever having to counter steer, ruling out the sudden appearance >>>of deer and left turning cars etc. > >>Some claim that they steer the rear wheel with their ass. Not sure which >>seat works best for that technique. > >One that's connected to a shaft-driven motorcycle, obviously. > >RM >

Or one with a belt driven or chain drive or one that is coasting. Alan Henderson A13 Iowa List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

I don't understand what you mean about "push down on the bar". When I want to turn fast, I pull one side and push the other side, while weighting the outside peg. After learning this, and practicing it alot, it is trully incredible just how fast a bike can be leaned over from one peg to the other. MrMoose A8 (Barbie and Ken special) --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "PauL M. Bober" wrote:

> Alan, your right not everyone uses counter steering. I teach counter > steering in my MSF and Rider's Edge Riding Classes. > > Here is the easy way to explain it to the uninitiated: The counter

steering

> process works well. It is the easy way to turn a motorcycle. You

shift the

> center of gravity and contact patch from the center tall part of

the tire to

> the shorter radius of the shoulder of the tire. Less distance to

travel on

> every rotation of the tire will allow for the motorcycle following

an easier

> path of travel though a curve. Counter steering can be done at a

speed as

> low as 8 miles an hour. Counter steering does not directly involve

your

> butt. It may seem lie it as you lean the motorcycle after the

initial handle

> bar movement. The press of the handlebars forward (like a jab in

boxing), as

> apposed to merely pressing down on the bar ends, will cause the

bike to feel

> like it goes in the wrong direction for just a second. Hence the

expression

> 'counter steer'. The motorcycle will 'fall away from' the turn as

the

> handle bar movement causes the motorcycle to steer in the direction

opposite

> of the intended final direction. Then, you press down on the inside

handle

> bar end. It follows that the sensation of pressing on the downside

of the

> motorcycle, would feel like your using your butt. Actually your

butt is

> following the front of the motorcycle. > > Easiest way to remember counter steering is press the bar straight

forwards

> on the side you wish to go, then press down on the turn side.

Look right,

> press right .... Go right! > > I know I have stirred up a can of worms. Sorry. > > PauL M. Bober > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan L Henderson [mailto:alhenderson@m...] > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 12:39 PM > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: Topic - NKLR > > > > > >>>I am proposing that not every one uses counter steering to turn. > >>>What's more I am proposing that you could ride from coast to

coast

> >>>without ever having to counter steer, ruling out the sudden

appearance

> >>>of deer and left turning cars etc. > > > >>Some claim that they steer the rear wheel with their ass. Not

sure which

> >>seat works best for that technique. > > > >One that's connected to a shaft-driven motorcycle, obviously. > > > >RM > > > Or one with a belt driven or chain drive or one that is coasting. > Alan Henderson A13 Iowa > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ > courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to

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The movement you describe is the same as what I described, just in a different viewpoint. Although weighting the outside foot a lot at a higher speed requires a little advanced body mechanics. On lower speed curves and corners, I tell the to weight the outside and move the bars. For higher speed turning, I have the students practice pointing their inside turn elbow down towards the ground. Again, different words for the same action. I think we all would agree that the movement is the important part, not the wording. PauL M. Bober -----Original Message----- From: Keith Saltzer [mailto:k.saltzer@...] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 4:23 PM To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: Topic - NKLR I don't understand what you mean about "push down on the bar". When I want to turn fast, I pull one side and push the other side, while weighting the outside peg. After learning this, and practicing it alot, it is trully incredible just how fast a bike can be leaned over from one peg to the other. MrMoose A8 (Barbie and Ken special) --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "PauL M. Bober" wrote:

> Alan, your right not everyone uses counter steering. I teach counter > steering in my MSF and Rider's Edge Riding Classes. > > Here is the easy way to explain it to the uninitiated: The counter

steering

> process works well. It is the easy way to turn a motorcycle. You

shift the

> center of gravity and contact patch from the center tall part of

the tire to

> the shorter radius of the shoulder of the tire. Less distance to

travel on

> every rotation of the tire will allow for the motorcycle following

an easier

> path of travel though a curve. Counter steering can be done at a

speed as

> low as 8 miles an hour. Counter steering does not directly involve

your

> butt. It may seem lie it as you lean the motorcycle after the

initial handle

> bar movement. The press of the handlebars forward (like a jab in

boxing), as

> apposed to merely pressing down on the bar ends, will cause the

bike to feel

> like it goes in the wrong direction for just a second. Hence the

expression

> 'counter steer'. The motorcycle will 'fall away from' the turn as

the

> handle bar movement causes the motorcycle to steer in the direction

opposite

> of the intended final direction. Then, you press down on the inside

handle

> bar end. It follows that the sensation of pressing on the downside

of the

> motorcycle, would feel like your using your butt. Actually your

butt is

> following the front of the motorcycle. > > Easiest way to remember counter steering is press the bar straight

forwards

> on the side you wish to go, then press down on the turn side.

Look right,

> press right .... Go right! > > I know I have stirred up a can of worms. Sorry. > > PauL M. Bober > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan L Henderson [mailto:alhenderson@m...] > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 12:39 PM > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: Topic - NKLR > > > > > >>>I am proposing that not every one uses counter steering to turn. > >>>What's more I am proposing that you could ride from coast to

coast

> >>>without ever having to counter steer, ruling out the sudden

appearance

> >>>of deer and left turning cars etc. > > > >>Some claim that they steer the rear wheel with their ass. Not

sure which

> >>seat works best for that technique. > > > >One that's connected to a shaft-driven motorcycle, obviously. > > > >RM > > > Or one with a belt driven or chain drive or one that is coasting. > Alan Henderson A13 Iowa > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ > courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to

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> the only thing I can say about the cap is, dont fill up the tank all > the way. sorry

Hmm, unforutnatly this happens even without the gas tank full. I've gone over 130 miles on this tank so far (so over 1/2 emtpy), and it was still piddling today. Looks like the vapors are coming out of the key hole, instead of the vent, and then condensing when they exit the key hole. Thanks for the tip about the round side covers. --Terry