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turn signal graemlins
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2003 9:19 pm
by Hans Koenig
I am at the end of my "electrical rope". The turn signal(s) on my A16 will
flash only above 5,000 rpm, and then very slowly. Below that engine speed,
they will simply stay on without flashing. I removed the battery, checked
for correct fluid level, cleaned the connections, charged it for about 10
hours on a 1 A charger. Reinstalled - same problem. All bulbs are fine and
the wiring seems okay. I'll be grateful for any advice as to how to
proceed from here.
Hans, flashless in Minneapolis
turn signal graemlins
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2003 10:16 pm
by kdxkawboy@aol.com
In a message dated 2003-06-14 7:33:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
hkoenig@... writes:
>
> I am at the end of my "electrical rope". The turn signal(s) on my A16 will
> flash only above 5,000 rpm, and then very slowly. Below that engine speed,
> they will simply stay on without flashing. I removed the battery, checked
> for correct fluid level, cleaned the connections, charged it for about 10
> hours on a 1 A charger. Reinstalled - same problem. All bulbs are fine and
> the wiring seems okay. I'll be grateful for any advice as to how to
> proceed from here.
>
> Hans, flashless in Minneapolis
>
>
I think you have a bad relay - its taking 5000 rpm for the alternator to
produce enough amperage to drive it.
Pat
G'ville,Nv
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turn signal graemlins
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 6:58 am
by Ted Palmer
Hans Koenig wrote:
> I am at the end of my "electrical rope". The turn signal(s) on my A16 will
> flash only above 5,000 rpm, and then very slowly.
[...]
Sounds sort of like very low voltage running the flashers, or
the wrong wattage globes in the circuit.
How is the battery voltage when the bike is running?
Mister_T
Melbourne Australia
turn signal graemlins
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2003 8:25 am
by Ron Crandell
--- In
DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Hans Koenig" wrote:
>
> I am at the end of my "electrical rope". The turn signal(s) on my
A16 will
> flash only above 5,000 rpm, and then very slowly. Below that engine
speed,
> they will simply stay on without flashing. I removed the battery,
checked
> for correct fluid level, cleaned the connections, charged it for
about 10
> hours on a 1 A charger. Reinstalled - same problem. All bulbs are
fine and
> the wiring seems okay. I'll be grateful for any advice as to how to
> proceed from here.
>
> Hans, flashless in Minneapolis
Hans, have you made ANY changes in the system, like a new bulb or
anything? I might consider checking the flasher itself, sometimes
they can be flaky.. I don't know how much one costs for the bike, but
I wouldn't expect it to be too much.
Ron in St. Cloud
turn signal graemlins
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2003 8:36 am
by Hans Koenig
"Ron Crandell" writes:
>--- In
DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Hans Koenig" wrote:
>>
>> I am at the end of my "electrical rope". The turn signal(s) on my
>A16 will
>> flash only above 5,000 rpm, and then very slowly. Below that engine
>speed,
>> they will simply stay on without flashing.
>
>Hans, have you made ANY changes in the system, like a new bulb or
>anything? I might consider checking the flasher itself, sometimes
>they can be flaky.. I don't know how much one costs for the bike, but
>I wouldn't expect it to be too much.
>
>Ron in St. Cloud
Interesting thought, Ron. The PO broke off one of the rear turn signals
when he put the bike down (off-road) and replaced both with a set of
cheapy mini-signals. Could the electrical specifications differ so much
from the OEM signals that they would pose this kind of challenge to the
OEM flasher and malfunction?
I'll pick up the manual(s) from my son today and try a new flasher unit
first before I turn the bike over to the dealer (still under warranty) to
check the "internal organs", e.g. alternator, rectifier, etc.
Thanks for thinking through this for me!
Hans - still flashless in Minneapolis
turn signal graemlins
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2003 8:43 am
by Devon Jarvis
Hans Koenig wrote:
>
>
> Interesting thought, Ron. The PO broke off one of the rear turn signals
> when he put the bike down (off-road) and replaced both with a set of
> cheapy mini-signals. Could the electrical specifications differ so much
> from the OEM signals that they would pose this kind of challenge to the
> OEM flasher and malfunction?
>
Yes. The flasher requires a certain amount of current to
cycle, and the more current that flows the faster they
cycle. Conversely, if the PO installed little marker lights
with smaller bulbs, the signals may not work until the line
voltage gets over 13.5 or 14v. The bulbs should be 23 watts,
anything less and you might have the exact problems you're
having.
Devon
--
"It's a troublesome world,
all the people who are in it,
are troubled with troubles
almost every minute"
Dr. Seuss
turn signal graemlins
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2003 9:23 am
by Hans Koenig
Devon Jarvis writes:
>Hans Koenig wrote:
>>
>>
>> Interesting thought, Ron. The PO broke off one of the rear turn signals
>> when he put the bike down (off-road) and replaced both with a set of
>> cheapy mini-signals. Could the electrical specifications differ so much
>> from the OEM signals that they would pose this kind of challenge to the
>> OEM flasher and malfunction?
>>
>
>Yes. The flasher requires a certain amount of current to
>cycle, and the more current that flows the faster they
>cycle. Conversely, if the PO installed little marker lights
>with smaller bulbs, the signals may not work until the line
>voltage gets over 13.5 or 14v. The bulbs should be 23 watts,
>anything less and you might have the exact problems you're
>having.
>
>Devon
True to your Dr. Seuss footnote, you are addressing the (electrical)
troubles of this world... :]
I'll open up/check those little after-market signals and reconnect the
(just installed) OEM replacements (from Ron Ayers, of course) before doing
anything else.
Thanks for your expertise, Devon!
Hans
turn signal graemlins
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2003 9:26 am
by bigburlybaldbeardedbiker
Yes, I've had the same problem before with aftermarket turn signals.
All you need is a heavy duty flasher. I bought one for my Honda at
Walmart for $2. It was round, not square, but it plugged right in
and worked great. By the way, a new flasher from Kawasaki is about
$16.
Paul Streeter
Shoreview, Minnesota (suburb of St. Paul)
--- In
DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Hans Koenig" wrote:
> Devon Jarvis writes:
> >Hans Koenig wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Interesting thought, Ron. The PO broke off one of the rear turn
signals
> >> when he put the bike down (off-road) and replaced both with a
set of
> >> cheapy mini-signals. Could the electrical specifications differ
so much
> >> from the OEM signals that they would pose this kind of challenge
to the
> >> OEM flasher and malfunction?
> >>
> >
> >Yes. The flasher requires a certain amount of current to
> >cycle, and the more current that flows the faster they
> >cycle. Conversely, if the PO installed little marker lights
> >with smaller bulbs, the signals may not work until the line
> >voltage gets over 13.5 or 14v. The bulbs should be 23 watts,
> >anything less and you might have the exact problems you're
> >having.
> >
> >Devon
>
> True to your Dr. Seuss footnote, you are addressing the (electrical)
> troubles of this world... :]
> I'll open up/check those little after-market signals and reconnect
the
> (just installed) OEM replacements (from Ron Ayers, of course)
before doing
> anything else.
> Thanks for your expertise, Devon!
>
> Hans
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