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Posted: **Tue May 22, 2001 4:33 pm**

> Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 21:01:04 -0000 > From: brettonwolfgang@... > Subject: Xtra Lights > > Hate to bring up an old stand by topic (not marijuana related) but, > our KLRs cant handle extra lighting can they ? > > I never see them on any bikes so i assume i cnat have them either? > > Enlighten me, oh wise one.

First off, I ain't claiming to be "the wise one," so I don't want to get into a showdown here!

Anyway, I hope the bike can handle extra lights, because I just added a pair to mine. I built a pair of off-road lights that use MR-16 halogen bulbs, and right now they're attached to the handguards. (I wanted something that moved with the steering to compliment the fixed headlight. Hope to have a pic up soon, and anyone at Moab can check them out.) I've got a 55/100W headlight bulb, too. People have reported using up to 100W of heated grips plus vest, so an extra 40W of high beam and 40W of aux lights should be OK. Of course, said people with heated gear probably don't have the fan kick in when it's cold enough for the heaters. Currently, I've got 20W bulbs in the lights. They're run through a relay which is powered through a SPDT center-off switch, so I can either turn them on directly, or have them come on with the high beam for street use. Depending on how they work out, I might go back to the stock headlight bulb, and move up to 35W bulbs in the aux lights. I'm hoping to get up on Angeles Crest tomorrow night to see wether the spot or flood beam light works better. The driveway along my apartment has too many lights. Once I get that voltmeter, I'll be able to tell fer sure how the charging system handles the lights. I don't know if these will become a Big Cee item, as there's lots of work involved. Maybe once I get better at aluminum welding... However, I've also gotten a request for a light bar, so I'm working on something that will attach to the lower fork clamps. Then, you could attach whatever you want there. Yes, I do have a vested interest in Big Cee Engineering! Chris

Posted: **Tue May 22, 2001 5:05 pm**

Hey Chris, Just a thought if the KLR handles the extra lighting OK, why not hook up a tape,pa system and dig out the old hawai five o tape from the muscle car, sure would be a spectacle at moab! book em danno ,Gary PS not the wise one!

----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Krok" To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:34 PM Subject: [DSN_klr650] extra lights > > > Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 21:01:04 -0000 > > From: brettonwolfgang@... > > Subject: Xtra Lights > > > > Hate to bring up an old stand by topic (not marijuana related) but, > > our KLRs cant handle extra lighting can they ? > > > > I never see them on any bikes so i assume i cnat have them either? > > > > Enlighten me, oh wise one. > > First off, I ain't claiming to be "the wise one," so I don't want to get > into a showdown here! Anyway, I hope the bike can handle extra > lights, because I just added a pair to mine. I built a pair of off-road > lights that use MR-16 halogen bulbs, and right now they're attached to > the handguards. (I wanted something that moved with the steering to > compliment the fixed headlight. Hope to have a pic up soon, and anyone > at Moab can check them out.) I've got a 55/100W headlight bulb, too. > People have reported using up to 100W of heated grips plus vest, so an > extra 40W of high beam and 40W of aux lights should be OK. Of course, > said people with heated gear probably don't have the fan kick in when > it's cold enough for the heaters. > > Currently, I've got 20W bulbs in the lights. They're run through a > relay which is powered through a SPDT center-off switch, so I can either > turn them on directly, or have them come on with the high beam for > street use. Depending on how they work out, I might go back to the > stock headlight bulb, and move up to 35W bulbs in the aux lights. I'm > hoping to get up on Angeles Crest tomorrow night to see wether the spot > or flood beam light works better. The driveway along my apartment has > too many lights. > > Once I get that voltmeter, I'll be able to tell fer sure how the > charging system handles the lights. I don't know if these will become a > Big Cee item, as there's lots of work involved. Maybe once I get better > at aluminum welding... However, I've also gotten a request for a light > bar, so I'm working on something that will attach to the lower fork > clamps. Then, you could attach whatever you want there. Yes, I do have > a vested interest in Big Cee Engineering! > > Chris thing to build... > > -- > Dr. J. Christopher Krok Project Engineer, Adaptive Wall Wind Tunnel > Graduate Aeronautical Laboratories, California Institute of Technology > MS 205-45 Phone: 626.395.4794 > Pasadena, CA 91125 Fax: 626.449.2677 > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

Posted: **Tue May 22, 2001 8:06 pm**

At 02:34 PM 5/22/01 -0700, Chris Krok wrote:

> > Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 21:01:04 -0000 > > From: brettonwolfgang@... > > Subject: Xtra Lights > > > > Hate to bring up an old stand by topic (not marijuana related) but, > > our KLRs cant handle extra lighting can they ? > > > > I never see them on any bikes so i assume i cnat have them either?

I have run two 37.5 W halogen running lights on my KLR. My experience was that they were both only useable if engine RPM was maintained pretty high (as in sustained cruise), otherwide I would draw the battery down. I could run one around town OK. This was with an additional 30W load in additional taillights already in place, which I consider to be roughly as important as additional forward lighting. I also had to rewire the entire headlight system early in the bikes life, so that I have two 10 gauge leads running directly off of the battery to the headlight. This gives me a much brighter headlight than before, but I am not sure if this is due only to reduced resistance and if I am not actually drawing more current. YMMV. -Tom '96 KLR 650

Posted: **Tue May 22, 2001 10:26 pm**

Nobody has told you about the KLR HIFI sound competition at Moab this year? Conall

>From: "gtx" >To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] extra lights >Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 23:10:08 +0100 > >Hey Chris, > Just a thought if the KLR handles the extra lighting OK, >why >not hook up a tape,pa system and dig out the old hawai five o tape from the >muscle car, sure would be a spectacle at moab! >book em danno ,Gary > >PS not the wise one! > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chris Krok" >To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:34 PM >Subject: [DSN_klr650] extra lights > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 21:01:04 -0000 > > > From: brettonwolfgang@... > > > Subject: Xtra Lights > > > > > > Hate to bring up an old stand by topic (not marijuana related) but, > > > our KLRs cant handle extra lighting can they ? > > > > > > I never see them on any bikes so i assume i cnat have them either? > > > > > > Enlighten me, oh wise one. > > > > First off, I ain't claiming to be "the wise one," so I don't want to get > > into a showdown here! Anyway, I hope the bike can handle extra > > lights, because I just added a pair to mine. I built a pair of off-road > > lights that use MR-16 halogen bulbs, and right now they're attached to > > the handguards. (I wanted something that moved with the steering to > > compliment the fixed headlight. Hope to have a pic up soon, and anyone > > at Moab can check them out.) I've got a 55/100W headlight bulb, too. > > People have reported using up to 100W of heated grips plus vest, so an > > extra 40W of high beam and 40W of aux lights should be OK. Of course, > > said people with heated gear probably don't have the fan kick in when > > it's cold enough for the heaters. > > > > Currently, I've got 20W bulbs in the lights. They're run through a > > relay which is powered through a SPDT center-off switch, so I can either > > turn them on directly, or have them come on with the high beam for > > street use. Depending on how they work out, I might go back to the > > stock headlight bulb, and move up to 35W bulbs in the aux lights. I'm > > hoping to get up on Angeles Crest tomorrow night to see wether the spot > > or flood beam light works better. The driveway along my apartment has > > too many lights. > > > > Once I get that voltmeter, I'll be able to tell fer sure how the > > charging system handles the lights. I don't know if these will become a > > Big Cee item, as there's lots of work involved. Maybe once I get better > > at aluminum welding... However, I've also gotten a request for a light > > bar, so I'm working on something that will attach to the lower fork > > clamps. Then, you could attach whatever you want there. Yes, I do have > > a vested interest in Big Cee Engineering! > > > > Chris > thing to build... > > > > -- > > Dr. J. Christopher Krok Project Engineer, Adaptive Wall Wind Tunnel > > Graduate Aeronautical Laboratories, California Institute of Technology > > MS 205-45 Phone: 626.395.4794 > > Pasadena, CA 91125 Fax: 626.449.2677 > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > >Visit the KLR650 archives at >http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > >Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com >Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com >Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > >Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: >http://www.dualsportnews.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

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Posted: **Wed May 23, 2001 5:28 am**

Reduced resistance means higher voltage over the bulb and that gives more current through the bulb, hence brighter light. Claes, a swede in Dublin. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Simpson [mailto:bullet@...] Sent: 23 May 2001 02:02 To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] extra lights At 02:34 PM 5/22/01 -0700, Chris Krok wrote:

> > Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 21:01:04 -0000 > > From: brettonwolfgang@... > > Subject: Xtra Lights > > > > Hate to bring up an old stand by topic (not marijuana related) but, > > our KLRs cant handle extra lighting can they ? > > > > I never see them on any bikes so i assume i cnat have them either?

I have run two 37.5 W halogen running lights on my KLR. My experience was that they were both only useable if engine RPM was maintained pretty high (as in sustained cruise), otherwide I would draw the battery down. I could run one around town OK. This was with an additional 30W load in additional taillights already in place, which I consider to be roughly as important as additional forward lighting. I also had to rewire the entire headlight system early in the bikes life, so that I have two 10 gauge leads running directly off of the battery to the headlight. This gives me a much brighter headlight than before, but I am not sure if this is due only to reduced resistance and if I am not actually drawing more current. YMMV. -Tom '96 KLR 650 Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: http://www.dualsportnews.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Wed May 23, 2001 5:33 am**

So yes, you are "consuming" more current that way but you have reduced a loss in the cable so you are getting more use of your current. Hmm, I'll stop now. He he. Claes, again. -----Original Message----- From: Claes Borovac [mailto:claes@...] Sent: 23 May 2001 11:27 To: 'Tom Simpson'; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] extra lights Reduced resistance means higher voltage over the bulb and that gives more current through the bulb, hence brighter light. Claes, a swede in Dublin. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Simpson [mailto:bullet@...] Sent: 23 May 2001 02:02 To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] extra lights At 02:34 PM 5/22/01 -0700, Chris Krok wrote:

> > Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 21:01:04 -0000 > > From: brettonwolfgang@... > > Subject: Xtra Lights > > > > Hate to bring up an old stand by topic (not marijuana related) but, > > our KLRs cant handle extra lighting can they ? > > > > I never see them on any bikes so i assume i cnat have them either?

I have run two 37.5 W halogen running lights on my KLR. My experience was that they were both only useable if engine RPM was maintained pretty high (as in sustained cruise), otherwide I would draw the battery down. I could run one around town OK. This was with an additional 30W load in additional taillights already in place, which I consider to be roughly as important as additional forward lighting. I also had to rewire the entire headlight system early in the bikes life, so that I have two 10 gauge leads running directly off of the battery to the headlight. This gives me a much brighter headlight than before, but I am not sure if this is due only to reduced resistance and if I am not actually drawing more current. YMMV. -Tom '96 KLR 650 Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: http://www.dualsportnews.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: http://www.dualsportnews.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Wed May 23, 2001 11:09 am**

Actually, you aren't consuming any more current than with the stock cables/wires. Current is constant in a series circuit like that, regardless of the size of the wire. By increasing the gauge of the wire, you are reducing the resistance, which increases the voltage reaching the bulb. That gives you the brighter light. Cpt. Ron -----Original Message----- From: Claes Borovac [mailto:claes@...] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 3:32 AM To: Claes Borovac; 'Tom Simpson'; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] extra lights So yes, you are "consuming" more current that way but you have reduced a loss in the cable so you are getting more use of your current. Hmm, I'll stop now. He he. Claes, again.

Posted: **Wed May 23, 2001 11:31 am**

I'd say you are wrong here. You do consume more current. Simply, the voltage over the bulb increases, which gives a higher current through the bulb. The same current that flows through the bulb flows through the wires, that goes without saying. The question here is, is a bulb a constant current drain? Or not? I would say, more voltage over the bulb, more current. Claes, a swede in Dublin. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Hipkiss [mailto:rhipkiss@...] Sent: 23 May 2001 15:52 To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] extra lights Actually, you aren't consuming any more current than with the stock cables/wires. Current is constant in a series circuit like that, regardless of the size of the wire. By increasing the gauge of the wire, you are reducing the resistance, which increases the voltage reaching the bulb. That gives you the brighter light. Cpt. Ron -----Original Message----- From: Claes Borovac [mailto:claes@...] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 3:32 AM To: Claes Borovac; 'Tom Simpson'; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] extra lights So yes, you are "consuming" more current that way but you have reduced a loss in the cable so you are getting more use of your current. Hmm, I'll stop now. He he. Claes, again. Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: http://www.dualsportnews.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Wed May 23, 2001 11:57 pm**

Wow, you guys have bashed the electrons on this one! Please let me bore you until you prefer to shine your wheels for an hour or so. The resistance of the lamp, in a DC circuit, remains basically a constant as it is a chunk of wire. Two variables are Volts and Current. Volts/Resistance = Current. Current flows, and Voltage is simply a difference of charge at two different points. An increase in current over a fixed resistor(the light) will drop more voltage at that load (lamp). More current accross a fixed resistance = more voltage drop at that point. Like shoving goats accross the river, the harder you push the more pile up on one bank waiting to cross. The current is limited by the wiring gauge and the voltage at the battery. You can't put more volts on a bulb than a battery has, but you could match it. You can pass more current accross the filament and get it brighter and hotter though. So I say that the increased current flow via the bigger wires and direct connection, has allowed the full voltage of the battery to be dropped on the lamp. I am now going to shine my own wheels for two hours as self - punishment. Nucci 91 KLR650 75 Z1-B Claes Borovac wrote:

> I'd say you are wrong here. You do consume more current. Simply, the voltage > over the bulb increases, which gives a higher current through the bulb. The > same current that flows through the bulb flows through the wires, that goes > without saying. > > The question here is, is a bulb a constant current drain? Or not? I would > say, more voltage over the bulb, more current. > > Claes, a swede in Dublin. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Hipkiss [mailto:rhipkiss@...] > Sent: 23 May 2001 15:52 > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] extra lights > > Actually, you aren't consuming any more current than with the stock > cables/wires. Current is constant in a series circuit like that, regardless > of the size of the wire. By increasing the gauge of the wire, you are > reducing the resistance, which increases the voltage reaching the bulb. > That gives you the brighter light. > > Cpt. Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: Claes Borovac [mailto:claes@...] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 3:32 AM > To: Claes Borovac; 'Tom Simpson'; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] extra lights > > So yes, you are "consuming" more current that way but you have reduced a > loss in the cable so you are getting more use of your current. Hmm, I'll > stop now. He he. > > Claes, again. > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Posted: **Thu May 24, 2001 3:42 pm**

He he, you have missed the point completely here. There is no wire in the bulb, it is a filament burning at a very high temperature. It is made of tungsten I think which doubles it resistivity when the temperature increases from 700 degrees C to 1200 degrees C. It would suspect that the bulb is burning in that range. So, when there is more power for the bulb, it will shine brighter, and the temperature increase, and the resistance increases and therefore the current increase is limited. By changing the wires, you lessen the voltage drop over the leads to the bulb, hence more voltage over the bulb, more voltage equals more power unless the current decreases in the same degree. My strong belief is that the current will increase as a total though, pretty sure about it. So, go off and shine your wheels or read a book or two on electronics before beeing too sarcastic about something you did not understand the whole picture of. Claes, a swede in Dublin. -----Original Message----- From: Nucci [mailto:nucci@...] Sent: 24 May 2001 07:00 To: Claes Borovac Cc: 'rhipkiss@...'; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] extra lights Wow, you guys have bashed the electrons on this one! Please let me bore you until you prefer to shine your wheels for an hour or so. The resistance of the lamp, in a DC circuit, remains basically a constant as it is a chunk of wire. Two variables are Volts and Current. Volts/Resistance = Current. Current flows, and Voltage is simply a difference of charge at two different points. An increase in current over a fixed resistor(the light) will drop more voltage at that load (lamp). More current accross a fixed resistance = more voltage drop at that point. Like shoving goats accross the river, the harder you push the more pile up on one bank waiting to cross. The current is limited by the wiring gauge and the voltage at the battery. You can't put more volts on a bulb than a battery has, but you could match it. You can pass more current accross the filament and get it brighter and hotter though. So I say that the increased current flow via the bigger wires and direct connection, has allowed the full voltage of the battery to be dropped on the lamp. I am now going to shine my own wheels for two hours as self - punishment. Nucci 91 KLR650 75 Z1-B Claes Borovac wrote:

> I'd say you are wrong here. You do consume more current. Simply, the

voltage

> over the bulb increases, which gives a higher current through the bulb.

The

> same current that flows through the bulb flows through the wires, that

goes

> without saying. > > The question here is, is a bulb a constant current drain? Or not? I would > say, more voltage over the bulb, more current. > > Claes, a swede in Dublin. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Hipkiss [mailto:rhipkiss@...] > Sent: 23 May 2001 15:52 > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] extra lights > > Actually, you aren't consuming any more current than with the stock > cables/wires. Current is constant in a series circuit like that,

regardless

> of the size of the wire. By increasing the gauge of the wire, you are > reducing the resistance, which increases the voltage reaching the bulb. > That gives you the brighter light. > > Cpt. Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: Claes Borovac [mailto:claes@...] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 3:32 AM > To: Claes Borovac; 'Tom Simpson'; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] extra lights > > So yes, you are "consuming" more current that way but you have reduced a > loss in the cable so you are getting more use of your current. Hmm, I'll > stop now. He he. > > Claes, again. > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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