Wilsons Sandbox

On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, jimsherlock wrote:

>Hey, what's with the shot at SUV's?

It's the stereotype. Picture: mom, rowdy kids, cell phone, obnoxious driving, never off-road....

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., RM wrote:

> > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, jimsherlock wrote: > > >Hey, what's with the shot at SUV's? > > It's the stereotype. Picture: mom, rowdy kids, cell phone,

obnoxious

> driving, never off-road....

And who was it who observed: :A stereotype doesn't arise in a vacuum." I call 'em SAV's: "Suburban Assault Vehicles." No legitimate place for them on our highways.

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "judjonzz" wrote:

> --- In DSN_klr650@y..., RM wrote: > > > > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, jimsherlock wrote: > > > > >Hey, what's with the shot at SUV's? > > > > It's the stereotype. Picture: mom, rowdy kids, cell phone, > obnoxious > > driving, never off-road.... > > And who was it who observed: :A stereotype doesn't arise in a > vacuum." I call 'em SAV's: "Suburban Assault Vehicles." No > legitimate place for them on our highways.

Guess I need to quit my job or move or both. But then how would I justify a KLR or any other dual sport? As a play toy only? I can't afford that. I agree that stereotypes don't arise in a vacuum, but how many of us are stereotypical "bikers"? Bill A15-preferred commute vehicle 1994 Jeep GC (wouldn't make to work in the winter without it)

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "bmrbill" wrote:

> --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "judjonzz" wrote: > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., RM wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, jimsherlock wrote: > > > > > > >Hey, what's with the shot at SUV's? > > > > > > It's the stereotype. Picture: mom, rowdy kids, cell phone, > > obnoxious > > > driving, never off-road.... > > > > And who was it who observed: :A stereotype doesn't arise in

a

> > vacuum." I call 'em SAV's: "Suburban Assault Vehicles." No > > legitimate place for them on our highways. > > Guess I need to quit my job or move or both. But then how

would I

> justify a KLR or any other dual sport? As a play toy only? I can't > afford that. I agree that stereotypes don't arise in a vacuum, but > how many of us are stereotypical "bikers"? > Bill > A15-preferred commute vehicle > 1994 Jeep GC (wouldn't make to work in the winter without it)

Let's refine the stereotype: "... 55 in the fast lane, until it snows, then crank it up to 75." Used to be, the first big snowfall put the Camaros and Trans-Ams off the road. Now the ditches are littered all winter with Cherokees, Excursions and Blazers, wheels up. I just put 140 lbs of sand in the trunk of the rat 320 and slither by, saving the 4x4 pickup for the big blizzards. Jud A12 (left all the boxers in the garage this year) '90 F150 (At least I can haul dirtbikes.)

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "judjonzz" wrote:

> --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "bmrbill" wrote: > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "judjonzz" wrote: > > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., RM wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, jimsherlock wrote: > > > > > > > > >Hey, what's with the shot at SUV's? > > > > > > > > It's the stereotype. Picture: mom, rowdy kids, cell phone, > > > obnoxious > > > > driving, never off-road.... > > > > > > And who was it who observed: :A stereotype doesn't arise in > a > > > vacuum." I call 'em SAV's: "Suburban Assault Vehicles." No > > > legitimate place for them on our highways. > > > > Guess I need to quit my job or move or both. But then how > would I > > justify a KLR or any other dual sport? As a play toy only? I

can't

> > afford that. I agree that stereotypes don't arise in a vacuum,

but

> > how many of us are stereotypical "bikers"? > > Bill > > A15-preferred commute vehicle > > 1994 Jeep GC (wouldn't make to work in the winter without it) > > Let's refine the stereotype: "... 55 in the fast lane, until it

snows,

> then crank it up to 75." Used to be, the first big snowfall put

the

> Camaros and Trans-Ams off the road. Now the ditches are > littered all winter with Cherokees, Excursions and Blazers, > wheels up. I just put 140 lbs of sand in the trunk of the rat 320 > and slither by, saving the 4x4 pickup for the big blizzards. > > Jud > A12 (left all the boxers in the garage this year) > '90 F150 (At least I can haul dirtbikes.)

I like the tactic. Ignore the question and redefine the argument. Oh yeah, that's right. You said you were a lawyer. Talk about stereotypes...

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "bmrbill" wrote:

> --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "judjonzz" wrote: > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "bmrbill" wrote: > > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "judjonzz" wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., RM wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, jimsherlock wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Hey, what's with the shot at SUV's? > > > > > > > > > > It's the stereotype. Picture: mom, rowdy kids, cell

phone,

> > > > obnoxious > > > > > driving, never off-road.... > > > > > > > > And who was it who observed: :A stereotype doesn't arise

in

> > a > > > > vacuum." I call 'em SAV's: "Suburban Assault Vehicles."

No

> > > > legitimate place for them on our highways. > > > > > > Guess I need to quit my job or move or both. But then how > > would I > > > justify a KLR or any other dual sport? As a play toy only? I > can't > > > afford that. I agree that stereotypes don't arise in a vacuum, > but > > > how many of us are stereotypical "bikers"? > > > Bill > > > A15-preferred commute vehicle > > > 1994 Jeep GC (wouldn't make to work in the winter without

it)

> > > > Let's refine the stereotype: "... 55 in the fast lane, until it > snows, > > then crank it up to 75." Used to be, the first big snowfall put > the > > Camaros and Trans-Ams off the road. Now the ditches are > > littered all winter with Cherokees, Excursions and Blazers, > > wheels up. I just put 140 lbs of sand in the trunk of the rat

320

> > and slither by, saving the 4x4 pickup for the big blizzards. > > > > Jud > > A12 (left all the boxers in the garage this year) > > '90 F150 (At least I can haul dirtbikes.) > > I like the tactic. Ignore the question and redefine the argument. > Oh yeah, that's right. You said you were a lawyer. Talk about > stereotypes...

Ask a rhetorical question, get a rhetorical answer.

> > I like the tactic. Ignore the question and redefine the

argument.

> > Oh yeah, that's right. You said you were a lawyer. Talk about > > stereotypes... > > Ask a rhetorical question, get a rhetorical answer.

Touche. In guess it just surprised me that a member of a highly stereotyped minority (biker or lawyer, take your pick) would make the blanket statement that SUVs (another stereotyped minority) have no "legitimate" place on the highways. I've heard the same statement regarding us two-wheelers. Keep the shiny side up, Jud. Bill

On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 21:02, bmrbill wrote:

> Touche. In guess it just surprised me that a member of a highly > stereotyped minority (biker or lawyer, take your pick) would make the > blanket statement that SUVs (another stereotyped minority) have > no "legitimate" place on the highways. I've heard the same statement > regarding us two-wheelers. Keep the shiny side up, Jud. > Bill >

Personally, SUV's (I'm talking Exploreer/Expedition/Excursion size) should not be used for commuting from the burbs to the city core. And yes, stereotyping is, unfortunately, the only way to stay alive on the roads in and around DC. I see a white Honda with an Asian woman driving, I stay away! I see crapped out Toyota with stick on tinting and two black/asian guys with caesar's, I stay away... etc.etc.etc. This stereotypes keep me safe and alive. I am not prejuidiced against these people outside the car (shit, my girlfriend is blatent violator of no talking on the cell phone while driving... It's taken me three years to get her to start curbing that behavior), but once on the highways, if you're in *any* car, then you're my enemy, some cars I just avoid more. Z DC

> Let's refine the stereotype: "... 55 in the fast lane, until it snows, > then crank it up to 75." Used to be, the first big snowfall put the > Camaros and Trans-Ams off the road. Now the ditches are > littered all winter with Cherokees, Excursions and Blazers,

How small minded can you get. I've been sick of people branding motorcyclists as smelly outlaw bikers or reckless, obnoxious squids for as long as I can remember. Isn't labeling an entire class of vehicle owners because of the actions of a few exactly the thing we bitch about as motorcyclists? And don't give me any bullshit about "stereotypes don't arise in vacuum". That's not an argument. If you want to make a point use something resembling data. Of course there are lousy, incompetent drivers who own suv's. There are also smelly outlaws and reckless squids who own motorcycles. I own a Jeep and 3 bikes, I am niether an incompetent driver or a smelly outlaw. My Jeep has been winched out of mud up to the doorhandles, do you s'pose I should replace it with a Camry? As for your "no legitimate place on the highway" bullshit, lots more voting people think that about motorcycles than suv's. Let's not validate that attitude for them. It's astonishing to me to see someone in the motorcycle community thinking this way. -- Dave Morrow IS Manager R.E.Warner & Associates Westlake, Ohio 440-835-9400