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bead won't seat
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2002 11:01 pm
by dreastman
I replaced my stock front tire tonigh with a k270 3.00. This is my
first time changing a MC tire. Everything went pretty smoothly but I
couldn't seem to get the tire to seat. I used soapy water on the
bead and proceded to air it up to as much as 75 PSI and it looked
like it was seated but I never heard it POP into place. Every time I
let the air out of the tire it either slipped off or it was never
really seated. I finally inlfated to 75 psi and backed off to 32 and
installed it back on the bike. Should I attempt to ride it this
way???? I am affraid to put more than 75 PSI into it. Should it
come unseated if I deflate the tire??? I was thinking because I had
all that soapy water on it, it just unseated itself due to the lack
of air pressure.
Any help and or comments appreciated.
Thanks,
~Dennis~ A15
Concord, NC
bead won't seat
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2002 11:15 pm
by Devon Jarvis
NO, you shouldn't ride it. It won't just unseat if the bead is properly
seated in the first place.
Forget soapy water, use straight dishwashing soap. Make sure the rim and the
bead are liberally coated. 75psi should have seated it, perhas a lot lower.
I think I seated my 3.25" kenda at less than 50. You can also bounce the
tire on the ground, that helps seat the bead sometimes.
Devon
A15
dreastman wrote:
> I replaced my stock front tire tonigh with a k270 3.00. This is my
> first time changing a MC tire. Everything went pretty smoothly but I
> couldn't seem to get the tire to seat. I used soapy water on the
> bead and proceded to air it up to as much as 75 PSI and it looked
> like it was seated but I never heard it POP into place. Every time I
> let the air out of the tire it either slipped off or it was never
> really seated. I finally inlfated to 75 psi and backed off to 32 and
> installed it back on the bike. Should I attempt to ride it this
> way???? I am affraid to put more than 75 PSI into it. Should it
> come unseated if I deflate the tire??? I was thinking because I had
> all that soapy water on it, it just unseated itself due to the lack
> of air pressure.
>
> Any help and or comments appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ~Dennis~ A15
> Concord, NC
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bead won't seat
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2002 11:16 pm
by toddklr
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "dreastman" wrote:
> I replaced my stock front tire tonigh with a k270 3.00. This is my
> first time changing a MC tire. Everything went pretty smoothly but
I
> couldn't seem to get the tire to seat. I used soapy water on the
> bead and proceded to air it up to as much as 75 PSI and it looked
> like it was seated but I never heard it POP into place. Every time
I
> let the air out of the tire it either slipped off or it was never
> really seated. I finally inlfated to 75 psi and backed off to 32
and
> installed it back on the bike. Should I attempt to ride it this
> way???? I am affraid to put more than 75 PSI into it. Should it
> come unseated if I deflate the tire??? I was thinking because I
had
> all that soapy water on it, it just unseated itself due to the
lack
> of air pressure.
>
> Any help and or comments appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ~Dennis~ A15
> Concord, NC
i had the same problem when i mounted my kenda .i pumped it to
about 80 lbs. and beat on the tire with a rubber mallet a few times
and it seated.
todd
bead won't seat
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2002 11:22 pm
by Dennis R. Eastman
How do I know if it is seated short of letting all the air out of the
tire??? I am using a bicycle pump and this is getting old quickly...
Thanks,
~Dennis~
-----Original Message-----
From: Devon Jarvis [mailto:jarvisd@...]
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 12:13 AM
To: dreastman;
DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Bead won't seat
NO, you shouldn't ride it. It won't just unseat if the bead is properly
seated in the first place.
Forget soapy water, use straight dishwashing soap. Make sure the rim and the
bead are liberally coated. 75psi should have seated it, perhas a lot lower.
I think I seated my 3.25" kenda at less than 50. You can also bounce the
tire on the ground, that helps seat the bead sometimes.
Devon
A15
dreastman wrote:
> I replaced my stock front tire tonigh with a k270 3.00. This is my
> first time changing a MC tire. Everything went pretty smoothly but I
> couldn't seem to get the tire to seat. I used soapy water on the bead
> and proceded to air it up to as much as 75 PSI and it looked like it
> was seated but I never heard it POP into place. Every time I let the
> air out of the tire it either slipped off or it was never really
> seated. I finally inlfated to 75 psi and backed off to 32 and
> installed it back on the bike. Should I attempt to ride it this
> way???? I am affraid to put more than 75 PSI into it. Should it come
> unseated if I deflate the tire??? I was thinking because I had all
> that soapy water on it, it just unseated itself due to the lack of air
> pressure.
>
> Any help and or comments appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ~Dennis~ A15
> Concord, NC
>
> Checkout Dual Sport News at
>
http://www.dualsportnews.com
> Be part of the Adventure!
>
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bead won't seat
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2002 11:29 pm
by mokan710
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "dreastman" wrote:
> I replaced my stock front tire tonigh with a k270 3.00. This is my
> first time changing a MC tire. Everything went pretty smoothly but I
> couldn't seem to get the tire to seat. I used soapy water on the
> bead and proceded to air it up to as much as 75 PSI and it looked
> like it was seated but I never heard it POP into place.
-SNIP-
Dennis-
I wouldn't worry too much about hearing the 'POP'. Most often you
will hear a tire seat, but every once in awhile a tire will seat
without making a distinct sound. I've seen some tires silently
'creep' onto the rim and establish a good bead. Also, you can usually
tell when a tire is seated on a rim just by looking at it. If it's
uniform on both sides, all the way around, then you're probably okay.
The suspect area of an unseated tire is fairly easy to distinguish in
comparison to the rest of the tire. Regarding riding on an unseated
tire... I've seen folks get their tires seated that way, but remember
to take it slow and check it frequently (especially if it's a front
tire). Hope this helps...
"Mokan"
bead won't seat
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2002 11:38 pm
by mokan710
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Dennis R. Eastman" wrote:
> How do I know if it is seated short of letting all the air out of
the
> tire??? I am using a bicycle pump and this is getting old
quickly...
>
> Thanks,
>
> ~Dennis~
Ummmm, the plot thickens. I should have asked about this before
writing my previous response. When I mount tires I consider a trip to
a gas station a matter of course. Use of a compressor with the quick
increase in PSI will help your cause immensely. When using a
compressor I've never needed to go beyond 45 PSI to set a bead. This
is why a lot of guys (like me) take CO2 cartridges & an inflator with
them on the trail. Quick influxes of pressure to set that damn bead.
Oh, and it saves on the elbow grease too... Good luck!
"Mokan"
bead won't seat
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2002 11:40 pm
by Lujo Bauer
I was in exactly the same position a month or two ago... first tire, K270
3.00, bicycle pump and all. Even tried riding it around a little but that
didn't help. I followed somebody's suggestion of using liquid dish soap
(without water) and just waited for a while with maybe 40 psi in the
tire -- seated smoothly and without fuss.
-Lujo
> I replaced my stock front tire tonigh with a k270 3.00. This is my
> first time changing a MC tire. Everything went pretty smoothly but I
> couldn't seem to get the tire to seat. I used soapy water on the
> bead and proceded to air it up to as much as 75 PSI and it looked
> like it was seated but I never heard it POP into place. Every time I
> let the air out of the tire it either slipped off or it was never
> really seated. I finally inlfated to 75 psi and backed off to 32 and
> installed it back on the bike. Should I attempt to ride it this
> way???? I am affraid to put more than 75 PSI into it. Should it
> come unseated if I deflate the tire??? I was thinking because I had
> all that soapy water on it, it just unseated itself due to the lack
> of air pressure.
>
> Any help and or comments appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ~Dennis~ A15
> Concord, NC
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bead won't seat
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2002 6:16 am
by tomklr
Dennis,
One other thing regarding seating a tire - I think most all tires have
a very small ring of rubber that should be uniformly visible a
fraction of a inch away from the rim once the tire is seated. Another
thing is, you don't want to deflate the tire to make sure it is seated
properly, just simply reduce the air pressure to what you want to run
it at. When you examine your tire to see if it has seated and find a
section that has not, take the tire and bounce that side of the tire
against the pavement, this will sometime encourage it to seat too. A
BF rubber mallet could do the trick too.
Use a compressor or you'll have a stroke with all that pumping...
Save your pumping for other things.
Good Luck!
Tom
'01 A15
bead won't seat
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2002 6:29 am
by dooden
Go to a gas station and drop a quarter in a air pump.
Hand Pump ? Oh my... Air it, bounce it, beat it straight down with
a heavy rubber mallet ect ect..
Do not ride without it seated please.
Just my $.01 worth
Duden
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Dennis R. Eastman" wrote:
> How do I know if it is seated short of letting all the air out of
the
> tire??? I am using a bicycle pump and this is getting old
quickly...
>
> Thanks,
>
> ~Dennis~
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Devon Jarvis [mailto:jarvisd@e...]
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 12:13 AM
> To: dreastman; DSN_klr650@y...
> Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Bead won't seat
>
>
> NO, you shouldn't ride it. It won't just unseat if the bead is
properly
> seated in the first place.
>
> Forget soapy water, use straight dishwashing soap. Make sure the
rim and the
> bead are liberally coated. 75psi should have seated it, perhas a
lot lower.
> I think I seated my 3.25" kenda at less than 50. You can also
bounce the
> tire on the ground, that helps seat the bead sometimes.
>
> Devon
> A15
>
> dreastman wrote:
>
> > I replaced my stock front tire tonigh with a k270 3.00. This is
my
> > first time changing a MC tire. Everything went pretty smoothly
but I
> > couldn't seem to get the tire to seat. I used soapy water on the
bead
> > and proceded to air it up to as much as 75 PSI and it looked like
it
> > was seated but I never heard it POP into place. Every time I let
the
> > air out of the tire it either slipped off or it was never really
> > seated. I finally inlfated to 75 psi and backed off to 32 and
> > installed it back on the bike. Should I attempt to ride it this
> > way???? I am affraid to put more than 75 PSI into it. Should it
come
> > unseated if I deflate the tire??? I was thinking because I had
all
> > that soapy water on it, it just unseated itself due to the lack
of air
> > pressure.
> >
> > Any help and or comments appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > ~Dennis~ A15
> > Concord, NC
> >
> > Checkout Dual Sport News at
> >
http://www.dualsportnews.com
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> >
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bead won't seat
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2002 7:42 am
by dooden
Afterthought.. Doubt this will help on a narrow m/c tire, but the
ATV types might get some use out of it.
Wrap a rope around the tire(middle of tread), add a stick to twist to
compress the center in tire inwards, this will typically cause the
bead to twist a bit and assists popping into place.
This might require the addition of a third hand to assist holding.
Wal-Mart sells a small compressor with mini tank, would be great for
this, could set compressor to any desired psi within its pressure
switch limits. bout $100 or so, or get the small CO2 type, for the
tool kit, think I have seen them listed under $30, CO2 carts are easy
to carry and avail. just about any town with a Wal-Mart.
Again just my $.02
Duden
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "dooden" wrote:
> Go to a gas station and drop a quarter in a air pump.
>
> Hand Pump ? Oh my... Air it, bounce it, beat it straight down
with
> a heavy rubber mallet ect ect..
>
> Do not ride without it seated please.
>
> Just my $.01 worth
>
> Duden
>
>
> --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Dennis R. Eastman" wrote:
> > How do I know if it is seated short of letting all the air out of
> the
> > tire??? I am using a bicycle pump and this is getting old
> quickly...
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > ~Dennis~
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Devon Jarvis [mailto:jarvisd@e...]
> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 12:13 AM
> > To: dreastman; DSN_klr650@y...
> > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Bead won't seat
> >
> >
> > NO, you shouldn't ride it. It won't just unseat if the bead is
> properly
> > seated in the first place.
> >
> > Forget soapy water, use straight dishwashing soap. Make sure the
> rim and the
> > bead are liberally coated. 75psi should have seated it, perhas a
> lot lower.
> > I think I seated my 3.25" kenda at less than 50. You can also
> bounce the
> > tire on the ground, that helps seat the bead sometimes.
> >
> > Devon
> > A15
> >
> > dreastman wrote:
> >
> > > I replaced my stock front tire tonigh with a k270 3.00. This is
> my
> > > first time changing a MC tire. Everything went pretty smoothly
> but I
> > > couldn't seem to get the tire to seat. I used soapy water on
the
> bead
> > > and proceded to air it up to as much as 75 PSI and it looked
like
> it
> > > was seated but I never heard it POP into place. Every time I
let
> the
> > > air out of the tire it either slipped off or it was never
really
> > > seated. I finally inlfated to 75 psi and backed off to 32 and
> > > installed it back on the bike. Should I attempt to ride it this
> > > way???? I am affraid to put more than 75 PSI into it. Should
it
> come
> > > unseated if I deflate the tire??? I was thinking because I had
> all
> > > that soapy water on it, it just unseated itself due to the lack
> of air
> > > pressure.
> > >
> > > Any help and or comments appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > ~Dennis~ A15
> > > Concord, NC
> > >
> > > Checkout Dual Sport News at
> > >
http://www.dualsportnews.com
> > > Be part of the Adventure!
> > >
> > > Visit the KLR650 archives at
> > >
http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650
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