Wilsons Sandbox

Marsha, First off, there is absolutely no substitute for hard luggage. The only pro (to me) to soft luggage is it's light weight, while the cons are numerous (not waterproof, seams rip, chafes plastic side covers, possibly melts against muffler, fades in the sun, not secure, straps can get in the wheel spokes, lots more...). Hard luggage, on the other hand, not only is great for the above reason (cons of soft luggage equals pros of hard luggage) but also is multi functional. I use mine for seats or tables, it provides a degree of crash protection for the bike (and your leg), and I can stuff the hell out of it with no ill effects. The Givi 21 liter side bags are the best setup, I think. Not intrusive, no ground clearance issues, reasonable capacity, a good all around buy. No personal experience with the seats though... Randy -----Original Message----- From: allaroundgal [mailto:allaroundgal@...] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:23 PM To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_klr650] Luggage/seat for KLR 650 Just got a KLR 650 and want to add luggage. I've seen the Happy- Trails panniers, and like them, but want to find out what luggage options will work (i.e. soft luggage, other hard bags). Hard to tell by looking in the catalogues how they'll work, so thought I'd ask the "experts!" Also, I'm not planning to install the lowering links, but I am interested in the Corbin seat that lowers the bike, if anyone knows of one for sale. Thanks, Marsha Checkout Dual Sport News at http://www.dualsportnews.com Be part of the Adventure! Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Happy Trails makes racks for hard luggage With a NorthWest rack and Givi Hard cases .. the width of your bike will increase thus: No Cases 18.5" 2x 21L 33.5" 2x 36L 39.6" 2x 45L 42.0" (1x 45L + 1x 36L 40.8") Tim at Happy Trails told me that the 45L is the only Givi that will fit a full face helmet. Barnaby. -----Original Message----- From: Logan Randy P TSgt AFOTEC Det 3/TL [mailto:Randy.Logan@...] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 2:54 PM To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] Luggage/seat for KLR 650 Marsha, First off, there is absolutely no substitute for hard luggage. The only pro (to me) to soft luggage is it's light weight, while the cons are numerous (not waterproof, seams rip, chafes plastic side covers, possibly melts against muffler, fades in the sun, not secure, straps can get in the wheel spokes, lots more...). Hard luggage, on the other hand, not only is great for the above reason (cons of soft luggage equals pros of hard luggage) but also is multi functional. I use mine for seats or tables, it provides a degree of crash protection for the bike (and your leg), and I can stuff the hell out of it with no ill effects. The Givi 21 liter side bags are the best setup, I think. Not intrusive, no ground clearance issues, reasonable capacity, a good all around buy. No personal experience with the seats though... Randy -----Original Message----- From: allaroundgal [mailto:allaroundgal@...] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:23 PM To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_klr650] Luggage/seat for KLR 650 Just got a KLR 650 and want to add luggage. I've seen the Happy- Trails panniers, and like them, but want to find out what luggage options will work (i.e. soft luggage, other hard bags). Hard to tell by looking in the catalogues how they'll work, so thought I'd ask the "experts!" Also, I'm not planning to install the lowering links, but I am interested in the Corbin seat that lowers the bike, if anyone knows of one for sale. Thanks, Marsha Checkout Dual Sport News at http://www.dualsportnews.com Be part of the Adventure! Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Checkout Dual Sport News at http://www.dualsportnews.com Be part of the Adventure! Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

--- allaroundgal wrote:

> Just got a KLR 650 and want to add luggage.

I added a non-fango top case that I picked up off another list. Bolted the mounting plate to the stock rack, lose access to the little tool box but gain great quantities of weather proof & locked storage, enough for a full face helmet etc. One key allows me to remove the box as luggage and the same key opens the box. I haven't really noticed any wind problems. Obviously it adds some weight up high and I won't leave it on for more challenging off roading. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com

He must have meant the smallest that will hold one. I have a 50L as a trunk on my Concours that will hold two full face helmets. Tom Roper '98 Concours '02 KLR 650 Mo.

> > Tim at Happy Trails told me > that the 45L is the only Givi > that will fit a full face helmet. >

> Tim at Happy Trails told me > that the 45L is the only Givi > that will fit a full face helmet.

The GiVi web site claims that the E36 bags will fit a full face helmet. My medium Shoei RF-R certainly fits in one.... -Lujo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

of course .. yes .. that is what I meant to say ... wow .. the 50L carries 2 helmets ? ... fantastic. you getting givi's for the KLR ? barnaby. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Roper [mailto:sroper@...] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:09 PM To: Barnaby Robson Cc: KLR 650 list Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Luggage/seat for KLR 650 He must have meant the smallest that will hold one. I have a 50L as a trunk on my Concours that will hold two full face helmets. Tom Roper '98 Concours '02 KLR 650 Mo.

> > Tim at Happy Trails told me > that the 45L is the only Givi > that will fit a full face helmet. >

According to GiVi the E35 will hold one full face helmet. http://www.giviusa.com/leftprod.html# http://www.giviusa.com/prodmain.html The E45 is supposed to hold two full face helmets. http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr_body.html Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com Utah Motorcycle Rally May 30 - June 2 http://www.canyonlandsmotorclassic.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Roper" To: "Barnaby Robson" Cc: "KLR 650 list" dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Luggage/seat for KLR 650 > He must have meant the smallest that will hold one. I have a 50L as a trunk > on my Concours that will hold two full face helmets. > Tom Roper > '98 Concours > '02 KLR 650 > Mo. > > > > Tim at Happy Trails told me > > that the 45L is the only Givi > > that will fit a full face helmet. > > > >

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., Logan Randy P TSgt AFOTEC Det 3/TL wrote:

> Marsha, > > First off, there is absolutely no substitute for hard luggage. The

only pro

> (to me) to soft luggage is it's light weight, while the cons are

numerous

> (not waterproof, seams rip, chafes plastic side covers, possibly

melts

> against muffler, fades in the sun, not secure, straps can get in the

wheel

> spokes, lots more...).

Aw c'mon man... There is a substitute for hard luggage. It's called waterproof soft luggage, and a good set can be found at www.aerostich.com. Non of the "cons" listed above apply. At least not to the Ortleibs. The thing about the straps getting in the spokes is downright ludicrous, plus I would also be interested in hearing about the "lots more". I've used them over many miles- in rain and shine- with the Happy Trails side racks, which double as sturdy side protectors when I'm not hauling bags. Everything has always stayed bone dry. No fading, tearing, melting, etc. No problems whatsoever. Not too long ago this list experienced a mild panic over sub-frame failures. I'm of the belief that fully loaded soft bags are easier on a bike in rough terrain than their rigid counterparts. Imagine a 5-pound weight mounted on your head via a metal brace vs. one that's sitting on a pillow on top of your head. Which setup would you want to use if you were jumping off a chair? Kind of a goofy example but I think it makes my point. Also, being able to load 200 liters of cargo isn't necessarily a great thing for every adventure-tourer. It all depends on the kind of riding a person is going to do. The security thing doesn't hold a lot of water with me either. If I'm in say, latin america, I'm still not going to leave my camera, GPS, passport, etc. in a hard tail trunk . I wouldn't do that under circumstances. There's a minimum level of vigilance one has to always maintain. The type of bags one has probably shouldn't make much difference. I'm still going to either unload my bike, keep it within view or pay some street urchin 50 cents to watch it until I return. Hard setups have a lot of positives. So do soft setups. It's not by any means a slam-dunk in favor of either. Sacrilege I know... Sorry for the ramble, but I felt there was a misrepresentation that needed to be countered. "Mokan"

> Just got a KLR 650 and want to add luggage. I've seen the Happy- > Trails panniers, and like them, but want to find out what luggage > options will work (i.e. soft luggage, other hard bags). Hard to tell > by looking in the catalogues how they'll work, so thought I'd ask > the "experts!"

Marsha, I bought the tail box from JC Whitney and *really* like it. It's been on there for about 3 months now, and holds a lot. No problems as of yet. It's the one without the backrest on it. It also has a handle so you can carry it as a suitcase when you travel. It was also only about $56. Ryan