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ok, so my title, keys, etc show up today...
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2002 5:51 pm
by bsetliff
Well, my little KLR care package arrived today (finally!) and I'm
still a little suspicious, but maybe its totally unfounded.
I'm looking at the title, and the name of the guy I bought it from is
NOT on the title anywhere. He didnt sign the back of it or
anything. The name and signature that are on the title, I'm
guessing, are from the original owner. The guy I bought it from (on
eBay) told me that he had bought it from someone else. The strange
thing though, is that its a New Jersey title, but the guy I bought it
from told me he bought it off a guy in Florida that he met in the
hospital. WTF?
Normally, I wouldnt ask here, and instead, I'd ask the guy I bought
it from...but he still hasnt answered my emails or returned my phone
calls (something else that makes me wonder). Is this guy trying to
pull something????
(thanks, and sorry to keep being such a pain in the ass)
ok, so my title, keys, etc show up today...
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2002 6:24 pm
by steve pye
----- Original Message -----
From: "bsetliff"
To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com>
> Well, my little KLR care package arrived today (finally!) and I'm
> still a little suspicious, but maybe its totally unfounded.
>
> I'm looking at the title, and the name of the guy I bought it from is
> NOT on the title anywhere. WTF?
> Normally, I wouldnt ask here, and instead, I'd ask the guy I bought
> it from...but he still hasnt answered my emails or returned my phone
> calls (something else that makes me wonder). Is this guy trying to
> pull something????
>
> (thanks, and sorry to keep being such a pain in the ass)
Sometimes folks 'skip a step' when buying and selling to avoid sales tax.
I'm not sure what the sales tax situation is in your part of the world but
here in the quasi-socalist, heavily taxed, Great White North it's not
uncommon for people to duck the tax man. Guy 'A' buys the machine from guy
'B' but never registers the sale and thus pays no tax. When guy 'A' sells,
he simply passes the title ( still registered to guy 'B') to guy 'C'. On
paper guy 'A' was never involved. Maybe this is what you're dealing with??
On the other hand, I'd still run the VIN to be sure it's not stolen.
Good Luck!
Steve
A11
ok, so my title, keys, etc show up today...
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2002 7:33 pm
by Devon Jarvis
At least here in NY, if you hand in a title along with a bill of sale, you
won't get the new title for 6-8 weeks. If the guy who sold you the bike had
any intention of reselling it quickly, he did what he had to do. Also, the
same guy who would not bother to send you the package in a timely manner
might easily put off the DMV as well.
Devon
A15
Steve Pye wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bsetliff"
> To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com>
>
> > Well, my little KLR care package arrived today (finally!) and I'm
> > still a little suspicious, but maybe its totally unfounded.
> >
> > I'm looking at the title, and the name of the guy I bought it from is
> > NOT on the title anywhere. WTF?
> > Normally, I wouldnt ask here, and instead, I'd ask the guy I bought
> > it from...but he still hasnt answered my emails or returned my phone
> > calls (something else that makes me wonder). Is this guy trying to
> > pull something????
> >
> > (thanks, and sorry to keep being such a pain in the ass)
>
> Sometimes folks 'skip a step' when buying and selling to avoid sales tax.
> I'm not sure what the sales tax situation is in your part of the world but
> here in the quasi-socalist, heavily taxed, Great White North it's not
> uncommon for people to duck the tax man. Guy 'A' buys the machine from guy
> 'B' but never registers the sale and thus pays no tax. When guy 'A' sells,
> he simply passes the title ( still registered to guy 'B') to guy 'C'. On
> paper guy 'A' was never involved. Maybe this is what you're dealing with??
> On the other hand, I'd still run the VIN to be sure it's not stolen.
> Good Luck!
> Steve
> A11
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ok, so my title, keys, etc show up today...
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2002 8:14 pm
by monahanwb
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Steve Pye" wrote:
Guy 'A' buys the machine from guy
> 'B' but never registers the sale and thus pays no tax. When guy 'A'
sells,
> he simply passes the title ( still registered to guy 'B') to
guy 'C'. On
> paper guy 'A' was never involved. Maybe this is what you're dealing
with??
I have bought and sold bikes and other vehicles using this method and
rarely have run into problems. I live in socialist California. Even
the DMV here doesn't worry much about it. In CA you are limited to 7
vehicle transactions per year, more and you have to get a dealer
license.
Bill
BMW R1100RS (a great machine for my expensive tastes)
KLR A-12 (cuz I am cheap sometimes)
Suzuki B12 (I like to haul ass too)
Triumph Daytona 500 T100R (for when I want to feel 19 again)
Two bad dogs (sometimes a person can be a little stupid)
ok, so my title, keys, etc show up today...
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2002 9:38 pm
by John Irvine
--- David Kelly wrote:
> The transaction stinks.
>
> To actually own the motorcycle you will have to hunt
> down the person
> listed on the title for a signature and bill of
> sale.
Agreed that the transaction seems to smell bad. But in
NM there would be no need to track down anyone. Just
apply for the new title. Many private sellers, and
some dealers, will even leave the cost of the
transaction blank so the new purchaser can tell motor
vehicles whatever they want to to determine what the
sales tax will be. Here any vehicle from out of state
will need to have the VIN check before the new title
gets listed.
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ok, so my title, keys, etc show up today...
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2002 10:26 pm
by zootpatutie
I'd go register it and see what DMV tells you. If they squack about
lienholders or other title complications, then get ebay involved. If it
titles without a hitch, then the bike is yours, story over.
Todd
ok, so my title, keys, etc show up today...
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2002 10:54 pm
by JJNeet1@aol.com
Maybe the guy bought the KLR,wanted to sell it asap,and in order to save
sales taxes,never switched the title over from the guy he bought it from??
You said you had verified it is not stolen,so verify the numbers on the title
are the same as on the KLR,go switch the title into your name,and
hopefully,all is well.
Jon Neet
ok, so my title, keys, etc show up today...
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2002 11:32 pm
by Ryan Newman
> I'm looking at the title, and the name of the guy I bought it from is
> NOT on the title anywhere. He didnt sign the back of it or
> anything. The name and signature that are on the title, I'm
> guessing, are from the original owner. The guy I bought it from (on
> eBay) told me that he had bought it from someone else. The strange
> thing though, is that its a New Jersey title, but the guy I bought it
> from told me he bought it off a guy in Florida that he met in the
> hospital. WTF?
Ok, if I was you, I'd just take the title you got, check the vin numbers
against the bike, and if they are correct, just get the title transfered
over and forget it. Just don't tell the DMV people anything about the whole
ordeal. As far as *you* know, you got it from the guy that is on the title.
Don't say anything that they don't ask for, as those kinds of details can
make title transfer a problem.
Ryan
ok, so my title, keys, etc show up today...
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2002 6:18 am
by PEDRO.VALDES@COULTER.COM
That is most likely the way it went specially here in Florida where you
have to pay a $300.00 USD Impact Fee for registering an out-of-state
vehicle.
Peter
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11:54 PM
Maybe the guy bought the KLR,wanted to sell it asap,and in order to
save
sales taxes,never switched the title over from the guy he bought it from??
You said you had verified it is not stolen,so verify the numbers on the
title
are the same as on the KLR,go switch the title into your name,and
hopefully,all is well.
Jon Neet
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ok, so my title, keys, etc show up today...
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2002 8:51 am
by bsetliff
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., David Kelly wrote:
> If the 3rd party title had been signed then only if the
> current seller was a licensed dealer could he
> transfer it again without registering it
> as his own.
>
> The transaction stinks.
I'm in agreement on "the transaction stinks". I've done some
investigating and emailed someone else who bought from him on eBay.
Seems that this guy has sold alot of cars and alot of bikes on eBay.
It appears he might be a "dealer", however this never came up in any
of our conversations, and he told me he bought the bike from somebody
he met in the hospital. Well, that was in Florida so I'm still
puzzled by the New Jersey title.
Also, if he is a dealer, he certainly doesnt have good customer
service. Once he gets my money, he goes silent? WTF is that all
about? What is he hiding?
This whole transaction has soured my buying experience, so I'm not
sure what I'm gonna do. I really wished I would have bought at a
dealer, or done more research on this guy before I bought it. I
guess its a lesson that I've learned...and I think back to that post
the other day about "Poor Service". Its a shame we've got people
that do business like this. Buying a motorcycle should be exciting,
not a total pain in the ass!!