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				harley to quit making motorcycles (nklr)
				Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2001 7:34 pm
				by truper234@aol.com
				I think that pretty much sums up the Harley scene now days........ I'd love 
 to have a Harley myself but I just can't afford the mandantory new pickup 
 truck to haul it around in ! One thing a Harley and a hound dog have in 
 common, they both like to ride in the back of the pickup.........nice one Don
 
 steve
 nw NC
 
 
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				harley to quit making motorcycles (nklr)
				Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2001 8:06 pm
				by monahanwb@yahoo.com
				Will the new "faux" models still fall apart while waiting in the 
 garage, just like the originals?
 
 Bill
 (I've owned three of the porkers)
 
			 
			
					
				harley to quit making motorcycles (nklr)
				Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2001 11:12 am
				by jonathan.sykes@ps.ge.com
				IMHO, Harley quit making motorcycles a long time ago.  Or quit progressing,
 whichever way you look at it.
 
 Interesting marketing idea:  double the price of a crap product and the
 yuppies think it must be good.  I see BMW has picked up on that one too.
 
			 
			
					
				harley to quit making motorcycles (nklr)
				Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2001 11:33 am
				by k650dsn@aol.com
				--- In DSN_klr650@y..., jonathan.sykes@p... wrote:
 
 > IMHO, Harley quit making motorcycles a long time ago.  Or quit 
  
progressing,
 
 > whichever way you look at it.
 > 
 > Interesting marketing idea:  double the price of a crap product and 
  
the
 
 > yuppies think it must be good.  I see BMW has picked up on that one 
  
too.
 
 On the contrary, I think Harley made a bold move with their V-Rod.  
 Unfortunately, they made a bike for the masses, but only produce a 
 limited number and allow their dealerships to add 50% to the price. 
 
 Gino
 
			 
			
					
				harley to quit making motorcycles (nklr)
				Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2001 1:57 pm
				by Stuart Mumford
				You don't really think BMW makes a "crap product" do you? Their bikes are OK
 as far as I know.
 And as far as "quit progressing... a long time ago", you own a KLR, right?
 KLR's aren't exactly a dynamic platform of cutting edge motorcycle
 development either, are they?
 I don't think that the latest greatest is really necessary to love a bike.
 
 Some Harley riders are OK people and love their bikes in the same way I love
 my KLR, some of them are obnoxious RUB's who are only interested in the
 poser factor. You can't lump them all together.
 
 Let us not judge other bikes lest ours be judged against us.
 Even though the KLR cult is powerful and all-knowing, it behooves us to be
 benevolent.
 
 CA Stu <- Feeling mellow today, woke up on the right side of bed.
 
 ----Original Message-----
 IMHO, Harley quit making motorcycles a long time ago.  Or quit progressing,
 whichever way you look at it.
 
 Interesting marketing idea:  double the price of a crap product and the
 yuppies think it must be good.  I see BMW has picked up on that one too.
 
			 
			
					
				harley to quit making motorcycles (nklr)
				Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2001 2:08 pm
				by ATO137528@aol.com
				In a message dated 11/8/2001 1:58:59 PM Central Standard Time, 
 s2mumford@... writes:
 
 
 
 > KLR's aren't exactly a dynamic platform of cutting edge motorcycle
 > development either, are they?
 
  
38mm forks weren't exactly cutting edge even in 1987!  (I'd GLADLY pay 
 another coulpa' hundred for a set of 44's off a KX.  Would it kill KHI to 
 make this minor change???) I luv my KLR anyway.  It's almost obsolete as I 
 feel sometimes, but I like to think I also have some utility and a few good 
 times still left in me too.  LOL
 
 
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				harley to quit making motorcycles (nklr)
				Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2001 2:11 pm
				by mpasuit@coxtarget.com
				> On the contrary, I think Harley made a bold move with their V-Rod.  
 > Unfortunately, they made a bike for the masses, but only produce a 
 > limited number and allow their dealerships to add 50% to the price. 
 > 
 > Gino
 
  
  Amen brother. They kept putting in print that the bike would be
 about $13,000 to the masses. Ha I saw one in the cycletrader for
 $35,000 . ha ha ha ha . Keep your overpriced, overweight, tassle
 flapping p.o.c. Damn that could be 7 new KLRs.
 
 Mike P
 
			 
			
					
				harley to quit making motorcycles (nklr)
				Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2001 3:18 pm
				by IronJungle@Hotmail.com
				Are you suggesting that BMW makes a crap product?  I would say the 
 product is fine, but their are pricey/overpriced.
 
 
 --- In DSN_klr650@y..., jonathan.sykes@p... wrote:
 > Interesting marketing idea:  double the price of a crap product and 
 the
 > yuppies think it must be good.  I see BMW has picked up on that one 
 too. 
 
			 
			
					
				harley to quit making motorcycles (nklr)
				Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2001 3:23 pm
				by Miata Myk
				> Some Harley riders are OK people and love their bikes in the same way I
  
love
 
 > my KLR, some of them are obnoxious RUB's who are only interested in the
 > poser factor. You can't lump them all together.
 
  
On the way back from Deal's Gap we were passed by 5 fairly large guys on
 some pretty sweet rides covered in all sorts of sleeping bags, etc. They
 also happened to be wearing very well-worn Outlaws leathers/jackets. I have
 no reason to believe they were not since, frankly they'd be killed if they
 were posing for it. I can only imagine what would be left of anyone in here
 who walked up to one of them and informed them they just bought a bike for
 the poser factor. 

 
 Then again, I wonder what a group of 5 Outlaws would do if they happened
 across a group of 5 KLR riders, all well worn, covered in touring gear, mud
 on the bikes, and the same well-knowing look of someone who spent a lot of
 time on the bike out in the middle of nowhere. Confused perhaps, but I'd
 venture a reasonable amount of respect even if it wasn't directed at the
 steed of choice.
 
			 
			
					
				harley to quit making motorcycles (nklr)
				Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2001 12:01 am
				by Ryan Newman
				> You don't really think BMW makes a "crap product" do you? Their bikes are
  
OK
 
 > as far as I know.
 
  
I have owned one, so I can talk. The newer ABS equipped BMW bikes have some
 *serious* problems. The brakes don't work unless the engine is running. So
 if your engine dies, you have ZERO brakes. Also, when moving the bike around
 at home or at the shop, when you push it by hand, you can't use the brakes
 to stop it, cause it just keeps rolling. I have no idea how they got that
 past safety inspectors. BMW's of late are way over-engineered, to the point
 that they have way to many probable components to break. And what's with the
 550 lb weight anyways? You lay that over and there's no way your gonna pick
 it up.
 Ryan