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environmental rant (nklr?)
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2001 8:20 am
by pudens@telepath.com
Don't hit send... don't do it... don't hit that dern button... they
dont want to read this... DONT!
Alright guys, and the late Jennifer (girl of my dreams). This old
world has been rotating and spinning around the sun for quite some
time. When we say man made polution what we are referring to is stuff
that was here when we got here. Oh we have refined it and changed it
some, but IT was here long before we were. The fuel your bike runs
on, the plastic and rubber parts, the steel and aluminum have been
here affecting the environment for a long long time.
When Mt. Pinatubo erupted it dumped more polutants into the world
environment than all industrial and vehicle emmissions AND aerosols
AND hydrochlorocarbons (freon) that have been produced since the
industrial revolution. Including 20 to 30 megatons of sulphur dioxide
and aerosols. The eruption of this volcano produced a large number of
micrometer-sized droplets (aerosols) of sulfuric acid which were
thrown into the stratosphere. These particles eventually spread out
over the globe. The very small droplets blocked energy coming from
the Sun, the result was that the Earth cooled off a little with about
a half degree centigrade. These volcanic droplets had also got some
other side effects, the particles catalyzed heterogeneous reactions
that were probably the cause of unusually low ozone levels.
The particles were also the indirect cause of the destroying of
part of the sea-nature in the Gulf of Akaba (180km long, 25km wide,
1.8km deep) because the droplets encouraged the growth of alga (which
is very harmful to the sea-nature). Emanations of gas can cause
immediate loss of life, 142 people were killed by carbon dioxide from
the Deng Plateau in Java. that's alot of gas.
Point being, dont get your panties in a wad.
Yes, we need to have clean water to drink and clean air to breathe.
We have that... will continue to have it if we use our heads a
little. But, lets not over react as we did with the refrigerant
scandal a few years ago... Did you know for instance that the
replacement for R-12 & R-22 is carcinoginic? It is not as readily
broken down by sunlight as R-12 or R-22. Hmmm.
THE SKY IS NOT FALLING, But the ecoweenies are closing off our land
and resources because they are afraid it is... Tropical forests,
because of the decaying vegetation on the forest floor use more
oxygen than they produce. A field of grass does a better job than a
forest in that regards.
For those of you that live in LA and see the air you breathe... the
reason you do is more a factor of geography than anything. When you
fart in LA it has no where to go. It is trapped by the mountains,
prevailing winds from the coast and you are stuck having no way for
it to disapate... it eventually falls to the ground, but you guys put
it up faster than it can fall out, because of your geography and
population density.
The Kyoto agreement is fine, let the Japanese and Europeans work
towards keeping it up. Until all countries enforce it including china
it won't have any affect. Except on our economy. And when the next
big Volcano errupts, it will not have mattered anyhow. This old world
is going to survive us. It is rugged, it is hardy, it will be a great
place to live long after we quit.
If you have read this far, I aplogize for the length but not the
content. Let's get back to bikes.
Larry
environmental rant (nklr?)
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2001 8:55 am
by Dan Oaks
After reading your dissertation, I have come to the conclusion that it is
imperative that we all get behind an initiative to pass legislation against
farting in LA. Considering that it is against the law to smoke, eat, drink,
weed whack, broil, drive ride, climb, fall, or otherwise have fun or
accomplish anything in CA, I find it outrageous that we have overlooked this
devastating contributor to the demise of the breathable atmosphere in LA and
the innocent folks downwind in Phoenix.
Let's all get together and contact our favorite BMW driving politician in
CA. (I cleaned that one up)
By the way, I'd like to thank all you environmentalists in CA for
constructing even more clean electricity generating windmills outside Palm
Springs and selling it all cheap to us folks in the East, even while you
suffer rolling blackouts and sky-rocketing power costs. Real nice of you!
I'm sure you have a plan, even though it eludes the rest of us. Just
continue to sit in the dark out there and rant against power plants in your
neighborhood, and eventually it'll dawn on you.
--
bierdo
pudens@... wrote:
> Don't hit send... don't do it... don't hit that dern button... they
> dont want to read this... DONT!
>
> Alright guys, and the late Jennifer (girl of my dreams). This old
> world has been rotating and spinning around the sun for quite some
> time. When we say man made polution what we are referring to is stuff
> that was here when we got here. Oh we have refined it and changed it
> some, but IT was here long before we were. The fuel your bike runs
> on, the plastic and rubber parts, the steel and aluminum have been
> here affecting the environment for a long long time.
>
> When Mt. Pinatubo erupted it dumped more polutants into the world
> environment than all industrial and vehicle emmissions AND aerosols
> AND hydrochlorocarbons (freon) that have been produced since the
> industrial revolution. Including 20 to 30 megatons of sulphur dioxide
> and aerosols. The eruption of this volcano produced a large number of
> micrometer-sized droplets (aerosols) of sulfuric acid which were
> thrown into the stratosphere. These particles eventually spread out
> over the globe. The very small droplets blocked energy coming from
> the Sun, the result was that the Earth cooled off a little with about
> a half degree centigrade. These volcanic droplets had also got some
> other side effects, the particles catalyzed heterogeneous reactions
> that were probably the cause of unusually low ozone levels.
> The particles were also the indirect cause of the destroying of
> part of the sea-nature in the Gulf of Akaba (180km long, 25km wide,
> 1.8km deep) because the droplets encouraged the growth of alga (which
> is very harmful to the sea-nature). Emanations of gas can cause
> immediate loss of life, 142 people were killed by carbon dioxide from
> the Deng Plateau in Java. that's alot of gas.
>
> Point being, dont get your panties in a wad.
>
> Yes, we need to have clean water to drink and clean air to breathe.
> We have that... will continue to have it if we use our heads a
> little. But, lets not over react as we did with the refrigerant
> scandal a few years ago... Did you know for instance that the
> replacement for R-12 & R-22 is carcinoginic? It is not as readily
> broken down by sunlight as R-12 or R-22. Hmmm.
>
> THE SKY IS NOT FALLING, But the ecoweenies are closing off our land
> and resources because they are afraid it is... Tropical forests,
> because of the decaying vegetation on the forest floor use more
> oxygen than they produce. A field of grass does a better job than a
> forest in that regards.
> For those of you that live in LA and see the air you breathe... the
> reason you do is more a factor of geography than anything. When you
> fart in LA it has no where to go. It is trapped by the mountains,
> prevailing winds from the coast and you are stuck having no way for
> it to disapate... it eventually falls to the ground, but you guys put
> it up faster than it can fall out, because of your geography and
> population density.
>
> The Kyoto agreement is fine, let the Japanese and Europeans work
> towards keeping it up. Until all countries enforce it including china
> it won't have any affect. Except on our economy. And when the next
> big Volcano errupts, it will not have mattered anyhow. This old world
> is going to survive us. It is rugged, it is hardy, it will be a great
> place to live long after we quit.
>
> If you have read this far, I aplogize for the length but not the
> content. Let's get back to bikes.
> Larry
>
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>
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environmental rant (nklr?)
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2001 10:26 am
by Swede
Hallelujah and Amen, brother!! "Swede"
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., pudens@t... wrote:
> Alright guys, and the late Jennifer (girl of my dreams). This old
> world has been rotating and spinning around the sun for quite some
> time. When we say man made polution what we are referring to is
stuff
> that was here when we got here. Oh we have refined it and changed
it
> some, but IT was here long before we were. The fuel your bike runs
> on, the plastic and rubber parts, the steel and aluminum have been
> here affecting the environment for a long long time.
>
> Point being, dont get your panties in a wad.
>
> This old world
> is going to survive us. It is rugged, it is hardy, it will be a
great
> place to live long after we quit.
>
> If you have read this far, I aplogize for the length but not the
> content. Let's get back to bikes.
> Larry
environmental rant (nklr?)
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2001 10:35 am
by Swede
It's all fun and game 'til someone can't have their cappuccino or
latte from Starbucks' industrial size electric coffee maker.
"Swede" --- In DSN_klr650@y..., Dan Oaks wrote:
> By the way, I'd like to thank all you environmentalists in
CA for
> constructing even more clean electricity generating windmills
outside Palm
> Springs and selling it all cheap to us folks in the East, even
while you
> suffer rolling blackouts and sky-rocketing power costs. Real nice
of you!
> I'm sure you have a plan, even though it eludes the rest of us. Just
> continue to sit in the dark out there and rant against power plants
in your
> neighborhood, and eventually it'll dawn on you.
>
> --
> bierdo
environmental rant (nklr?)
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2001 10:38 am
by Robert T. Heywood
Dude,
I've heard this complacent reasoning before. It's bullshit. It took millions
of years for the plant and animal species to evolve to, what was once, a
beautiful diverse array of life. And several hundred years for man, including
me I admit, to destroy it. We know a lot more now about how badly our
ecosystem is being destroyed A hundred years ago we didn't. There is no
excuse for complacency the data is known. This isn't religion. This is
science. If you are content to hand a big ball of noxious dirt to future
generations instead of a green and blue one, then I guess you voted for Idiot
Boy (Bush).
Hey, you said "rant".
Swede wrote:
> Hallelujah and Amen, brother!! "Swede"
>
> --- In DSN_klr650@y..., pudens@t... wrote:
> > Alright guys, and the late Jennifer (girl of my dreams). This old
> > world has been rotating and spinning around the sun for quite some
> > time. When we say man made polution what we are referring to is
> stuff
> > that was here when we got here. Oh we have refined it and changed
> it
> > some, but IT was here long before we were. The fuel your bike runs
> > on, the plastic and rubber parts, the steel and aluminum have been
> > here affecting the environment for a long long time.
> >
> > Point being, dont get your panties in a wad.
> >
> > This old world
> > is going to survive us. It is rugged, it is hardy, it will be a
> great
> > place to live long after we quit.
> >
> > If you have read this far, I aplogize for the length but not the
> > content. Let's get back to bikes.
> > Larry
>
> Visit the KLR650 archives at
>
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environmental rant (nklr?)
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2001 11:42 am
by Swede
One cannot have good data when one has started taking it in the
middle or end of the experiment. Only half of the data is given,
and no one knows the true baseline. If information is only doled
out half way, it can be manipulated any way you want. I'm tired
of hearing someone yell FIRE in the opera house.
When one sided, miguided "science" is preached from the pulpit of
misdirection - it becomes religion to the uninformed.
"Swede"
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Robert T. Heywood" wrote:
> We know a lot more now about how badly our
> ecosystem is being destroyed A hundred years ago we didn't. There
is no
> excuse for complacency the data is known. This isn't religion. This
is
> science.
environmental rant (nklr?)
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2001 11:58 am
by Juan Carlos Ibarra
You got it all wrong dude. Environmental problems are not the problems of
the Earth, they are the problems of man. Of course the Earth can regenerate,
it has millions of years to do that. The issue lies elsewhere.
To me it is very obvious that what you say makes sense to an American (most
likley caucasian) male, with enough dough to buy motorcycles. But it is
meaningless to more than 80 percent of the world's population. We tend to
think that man is the only animal that reasons, but I object that. I say we
are not reasonable. If we were, would we live like we do? Give it some
thought, dude, be honest. Is it reasonable to clear cut a forest? Honestly,
think about that. Is there a good reason to destroy hundreds of species a
year because we absolutely need mahogany furniture in our living room? Come
on, man. When we damage the environment we damage Earth temporarily, but we
damage ourselves permanently.
We are spoiling beauty, dude, that is IMHO the only true mortal sin.
Juan
----- Original Message -----
From:
To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 8:19 AM
Subject: [DSN_klr650] Environmental rant (NKLR?)
> Don't hit send... don't do it... don't hit that dern button... they
> dont want to read this... DONT!
>
> Alright guys, and the late Jennifer (girl of my dreams). This old
> world has been rotating and spinning around the sun for quite some
> time. When we say man made polution what we are referring to is stuff
> that was here when we got here. Oh we have refined it and changed it
> some, but IT was here long before we were. The fuel your bike runs
> on, the plastic and rubber parts, the steel and aluminum have been
> here affecting the environment for a long long time.
>
> When Mt. Pinatubo erupted it dumped more polutants into the world
> environment than all industrial and vehicle emmissions AND aerosols
> AND hydrochlorocarbons (freon) that have been produced since the
> industrial revolution. Including 20 to 30 megatons of sulphur dioxide
> and aerosols. The eruption of this volcano produced a large number of
> micrometer-sized droplets (aerosols) of sulfuric acid which were
> thrown into the stratosphere. These particles eventually spread out
> over the globe. The very small droplets blocked energy coming from
> the Sun, the result was that the Earth cooled off a little with about
> a half degree centigrade. These volcanic droplets had also got some
> other side effects, the particles catalyzed heterogeneous reactions
> that were probably the cause of unusually low ozone levels.
> The particles were also the indirect cause of the destroying of
> part of the sea-nature in the Gulf of Akaba (180km long, 25km wide,
> 1.8km deep) because the droplets encouraged the growth of alga (which
> is very harmful to the sea-nature). Emanations of gas can cause
> immediate loss of life, 142 people were killed by carbon dioxide from
> the Deng Plateau in Java. that's alot of gas.
>
> Point being, dont get your panties in a wad.
>
> Yes, we need to have clean water to drink and clean air to breathe.
> We have that... will continue to have it if we use our heads a
> little. But, lets not over react as we did with the refrigerant
> scandal a few years ago... Did you know for instance that the
> replacement for R-12 & R-22 is carcinoginic? It is not as readily
> broken down by sunlight as R-12 or R-22. Hmmm.
>
> THE SKY IS NOT FALLING, But the ecoweenies are closing off our land
> and resources because they are afraid it is... Tropical forests,
> because of the decaying vegetation on the forest floor use more
> oxygen than they produce. A field of grass does a better job than a
> forest in that regards.
> For those of you that live in LA and see the air you breathe... the
> reason you do is more a factor of geography than anything. When you
> fart in LA it has no where to go. It is trapped by the mountains,
> prevailing winds from the coast and you are stuck having no way for
> it to disapate... it eventually falls to the ground, but you guys put
> it up faster than it can fall out, because of your geography and
> population density.
>
> The Kyoto agreement is fine, let the Japanese and Europeans work
> towards keeping it up. Until all countries enforce it including china
> it won't have any affect. Except on our economy. And when the next
> big Volcano errupts, it will not have mattered anyhow. This old world
> is going to survive us. It is rugged, it is hardy, it will be a great
> place to live long after we quit.
>
> If you have read this far, I aplogize for the length but not the
> content. Let's get back to bikes.
> Larry
>
>
> Visit the KLR650 archives at
>
http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650
> Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@...
> Let's keep this list SPAM free!
>
> Visit our site at
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>
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>
>
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>
>
environmental rant (nklr?)
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2001 4:25 pm
by wayne adamson
Your right on Juan,but your wasting your breath. Humans will eventually go
the way of the dinosar and we are speeding that up by overpopulating the
planet. If we obsess on this we will go crazy,so we just have to do what we
can and live our lives. Think globally-act locally .Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: Juan Carlos Ibarra
To: ; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] Environmental rant (NKLR?)
> You got it all wrong dude. Environmental problems are not the problems of
> the Earth, they are the problems of man. Of course the Earth can
regenerate,
> it has millions of years to do that. The issue lies elsewhere.
>
> To me it is very obvious that what you say makes sense to an American
(most
> likley caucasian) male, with enough dough to buy motorcycles. But it is
> meaningless to more than 80 percent of the world's population. We tend to
> think that man is the only animal that reasons, but I object that. I say
we
> are not reasonable. If we were, would we live like we do? Give it some
> thought, dude, be honest. Is it reasonable to clear cut a forest?
Honestly,
> think about that. Is there a good reason to destroy hundreds of species a
> year because we absolutely need mahogany furniture in our living room?
Come
> on, man. When we damage the environment we damage Earth temporarily, but
we
> damage ourselves permanently.
>
> We are spoiling beauty, dude, that is IMHO the only true mortal sin.
>
> Juan
environmental rant (nklr?)
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2001 11:06 pm
by Dan Oaks
Swede wrote:
> One cannot have good data when one has started taking it in the
> middle or end of the experiment. Only half of the data is given,
> and no one knows the true baseline. If information is only doled
> out half way, it can be manipulated any way you want. I'm tired
> of hearing someone yell FIRE in the opera house.
>
> When one sided, miguided "science" is preached from the pulpit of
> misdirection - it becomes religion to the uninformed.
>
> "Swede"
Here, here!
Good'n, Swede!
--
bierdo
We get our morals from books. I didn t get mine from books, but I know that
morals do come from books theoretically, at least. -- Mark Twain
environmental rant (nklr?)
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2001 11:17 pm
by Dan Oaks
It is only human . . . to shit in one's own bed.
--
bierdo
Juan Carlos Ibarra wrote:
> You got it all wrong dude. Environmental problems are not the problems of
> the Earth, they are the problems of man. Of course the Earth can regenerate,
> it has millions of years to do that. The issue lies elsewhere.
>
> To me it is very obvious that what you say makes sense to an American (most
> likley caucasian) male, with enough dough to buy motorcycles. But it is
> meaningless to more than 80 percent of the world's population. We tend to
> think that man is the only animal that reasons, but I object that. I say we
> are not reasonable. If we were, would we live like we do? Give it some
> thought, dude, be honest. Is it reasonable to clear cut a forest? Honestly,
> think about that. Is there a good reason to destroy hundreds of species a
> year because we absolutely need mahogany furniture in our living room? Come
> on, man. When we damage the environment we damage Earth temporarily, but we
> damage ourselves permanently.
>
> We are spoiling beauty, dude, that is IMHO the only true mortal sin.
>
> Juan
>