brake line upgrade

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Gordon P" wrote: I have aftermarket exhaust on my RG (BUB-Rineharts) which were installed as part of the performance enhancement I did to the bike 2 years ago. Yes they are 'somewhat' louder than stock, but I don't hammer it in urban areas, and at speed on the freeway I don't mind a driver knowing I'm there when I choose to pass. If you think that's working for you, you are deluded. I just returned from a trip to the Black Hills at the tail end of Rally Week. For reasons I won't go into, I rode the whole trip out and back in the back left seat of a crew cab pickup. Quite a few Harleys passed us on the way out and back, most of them unmuffled. Not once did I ever hear an overtaking bike before I could see it. This past weekend confirms my previous experience on bikes and in cars. I don't care how loud your bike is, if I don't see you in my mirror, I don't know you are there. "Loud pipes save lives" is a canard, and a lame excuse for sociopathic behavior.

[dooden]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud Jones" wrote:

> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Gordon P" wrote: > I have aftermarket exhaust on my RG (BUB-Rineharts) which were installed as part of the performance enhancement I did to the bike 2 years ago. Yes they are 'somewhat' louder than stock, but I don't hammer it in urban areas, and at speed on the freeway I don't mind a driver knowing I'm there when I choose to pass. > > If you think that's working for you, you are deluded. I just returned from a trip to the Black Hills at the tail end of Rally Week. For reasons I won't go into, I rode the whole trip out and back in the back left seat of a crew cab pickup. Quite a few Harleys passed us on the way out and back, most of them unmuffled. Not once did I ever hear an overtaking bike before I could see it. This past weekend confirms my previous experience on bikes and in cars. I don't care how loud your bike is, if I don't see you in my mirror, I don't know you are there. > > "Loud pipes save lives" is a canard, and a lame excuse for sociopathic behavior.

I am thinking about getting a Stebel horn and a tailtrunk marked "Loud Horns Save Lives" and then just wait to hit the button. Dooden A15 Green Ape

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I Love it, Dooden! I was at a favorite stopping point a few weekends ago and struck up a conversation with a small group of older guys on Harley's. They didn't care I was on my KLR and one likened it to the 2 wheeled version of a SUV. {Have a V-Strom shirt made up a while back that says "My SUV goes 130 mph, gets 40mpg and fits three to a parking space."} Anyhow, the subject of visibility, dealing with distracted derivers (cell phone abusers) and traffic in general came up. I demonstrated the Stebel Compact Nautilus on my bike and a lady several yards away jumped at the sound. "Tttthat *scared* me!" Perfect. =) eddie

> > I am thinking about getting a Stebel horn and a tailtrunk marked "Loud

Horns Save Lives" and then just wait to hit the button.

> > Dooden > A15 Green Ape

[roncriswell@sbcglobal.net]

I have to disagree Jud, when I am on the freeway and a loud Harley is coming up from behind, I do hear him and know he is there. Sport bikes coming up at double the speed ........ no. I have found it is a good idea never to change lanes quickly anymore anyway. The drivers never know my KLR is there even if they can see me. I guess I need more bling (chrome). Criswell

On Aug 10, 2009, at 10:31 PM, Jud Jones wrote: > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Gordon P" wrote: > I have aftermarket exhaust on my RG (BUB-Rineharts) which were > installed as part of the performance enhancement I did to the bike > 2 years ago. Yes they are 'somewhat' louder than stock, but I don't > hammer it in urban areas, and at speed on the freeway I don't mind > a driver knowing I'm there when I choose to pass. > > If you think that's working for you, you are deluded. I just > returned from a trip to the Black Hills at the tail end of Rally > Week. For reasons I won't go into, I rode the whole trip out and > back in the back left seat of a crew cab pickup. Quite a few > Harleys passed us on the way out and back, most of them unmuffled. > Not once did I ever hear an overtaking bike before I could see it. > This past weekend confirms my previous experience on bikes and in > cars. I don't care how loud your bike is, if I don't see you in my > mirror, I don't know you are there. > > "Loud pipes save lives" is a canard, and a lame excuse for > sociopathic behavior. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Rick McCauley]

Loud pipes save lives. What a crock. But whether you agree or disagree, straight pipes are illegal. Even modifications to stock pipes are illegal. So is riding a crotch rocket (or any other bike) down the highway on a wheelie. So is riding at speeds above the posted speed limit. Would you ride a wheelie past a cop? That's a $2,000 ticket in Illinois. Would you blow by a cop at twice the speed limit? Of course not. But people with straight pipes don't give a second thought to riding past a cop. They are breaking the law same as someone speeding, but they suffer no consequences. The only way to put an end to it, is for many people to start calling the police station and complain. Trust me. If one person calls nothing will be done. At least not in Bureau county Illinois. I tried. They said they are too busy to worry about such things. I hate bikes with straight pipes. They are annoying. I would love to see the law enforced. Start calling. Get your friends and families to call. Rick A17 Tue, 8/11/09, roncriswell@... wrote: From: roncriswell@... Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - Harleys To: "Jud Jones" Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 8:40 AM I have to disagree Jud, when I am on the freeway and a loud Harley is coming up from behind, I do hear him and know he is there. Sport bikes coming up at double the speed ........ no. I have found it is a good idea never to change lanes quickly anymore anyway. The drivers never know my KLR is there even if they can see me. I guess I need more bling (chrome). Criswell

On Aug 10, 2009, at 10:31 PM, Jud Jones wrote: > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "Gordon P" wrote: > I have aftermarket exhaust on my RG (BUB-Rineharts) which were > installed as part of the performance enhancement I did to the bike > 2 years ago. Yes they are 'somewhat' louder than stock, but I don't > hammer it in urban areas, and at speed on the freeway I don't mind > a driver knowing I'm there when I choose to pass. > > If you think that's working for you, you are deluded. I just > returned from a trip to the Black Hills at the tail end of Rally > Week. For reasons I won't go into, I rode the whole trip out and > back in the back left seat of a crew cab pickup. Quite a few > Harleys passed us on the way out and back, most of them unmuffled. > Not once did I ever hear an overtaking bike before I could see it. > This past weekend confirms my previous experience on bikes and in > cars. I don't care how loud your bike is, if I don't see you in my > mirror, I don't know you are there. > > "Loud pipes save lives" is a canard, and a lame excuse for > sociopathic behavior. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[roncriswell@sbcglobal.net]

I wasn't defending loud pipes. I was just saying I know when a loud pipe Harley is coming up close to me in my blind spot but don't when a KLR does. I don't much care either way in the city as long as they don't ride through my neighborhood at night .... loud .... or fast ..... or both. When I really don't like loud pipes is camping when some dufus roars though to his camp then breaks out his Lenerd Skinnerd (Freebird), bottle rockets and Tequillia. Pistol firing is optional. Criswell

On Aug 11, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Rick McCauley wrote: > Loud pipes save lives. What a crock. But whether you agree or > disagree, straight pipes are illegal. Even modifications to stock > pipes are illegal. > So is riding a crotch rocket (or any other bike) down the highway > on a wheelie. So is riding at speeds above the posted speed limit. > Would you ride a wheelie past a cop? That's a $2,000 ticket in > Illinois. Would you blow by a cop at twice the speed limit? Of > course not. > But people with straight pipes don't give a second thought to > riding past a cop. They are breaking the law same as someone > speeding, but they suffer no consequences. > The only way to put an end to it, is for many people to start > calling the police station and complain. Trust me. If one person > calls nothing will be done. At least not in Bureau county Illinois. > I tried. They said they are too busy to worry about such things. I > hate bikes with straight pipes. They are annoying. I would love to > see the law enforced. Start calling. Get your friends and families > to call. > > Rick > A17 > > > > Tue, 8/11/09, roncriswell@... > wrote: > > From: roncriswell@... > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - Harleys > To: "Jud Jones" > Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 8:40 AM > > > > I have to disagree Jud, when I am on the freeway and a loud Harley is > coming up from behind, I do hear him and know he is there. Sport > bikes coming up at double the speed ........ no. I have found it is a > good idea never to change lanes quickly anymore anyway. The drivers > never know my KLR is there even if they can see me. I guess I need > more bling (chrome). > > Criswell > On Aug 10, 2009, at 10:31 PM, Jud Jones wrote: > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "Gordon P" > wrote: > > I have aftermarket exhaust on my RG (BUB-Rineharts) which were > > installed as part of the performance enhancement I did to the bike > > 2 years ago. Yes they are 'somewhat' louder than stock, but I don't > > hammer it in urban areas, and at speed on the freeway I don't mind > > a driver knowing I'm there when I choose to pass. > > > > If you think that's working for you, you are deluded. I just > > returned from a trip to the Black Hills at the tail end of Rally > > Week. For reasons I won't go into, I rode the whole trip out and > > back in the back left seat of a crew cab pickup. Quite a few > > Harleys passed us on the way out and back, most of them unmuffled. > > Not once did I ever hear an overtaking bike before I could see it. > > This past weekend confirms my previous experience on bikes and in > > cars. I don't care how loud your bike is, if I don't see you in my > > mirror, I don't know you are there. > > > > "Loud pipes save lives" is a canard, and a lame excuse for > > sociopathic behavior. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[The Reverend]

Very simple reason for this. The pipes exit backwards. You in the car is ahead of the bike. He will be silent until he gets real close (and "real close" is a variable depending on how loud the bike is) and you'll definitely hear it long after he's passed you. I don't quite understand how people figure otherwise. Maybe a really insane tailwind will carry the sound forward a bit better? -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jud Jones it. This past weekend confirms my previous experience on bikes and in cars. I don't care how loud your bike is, if I don't see you in my mirror, I don't know you are there. "Loud pipes save lives" is a canard, and a lame excuse for sociopathic behavior.

[Rick McCauley]

I didn't mean to make it sound like i was responding to you directly Ron. Sorry about that. My email was my thought based on several emails on this subject. Yours was just the one I hit reply on. Sorry if you thought I was focusing on you. I understand your frustration when your camping. That is supposed to be a peaceful, relaxing time. We can't even have the doors open at Church on a nice Summer Sunday without a bike with straight pipes drowning out the Pastors voice. Disrespectful, and annoying. Rick A17

--- On Tue, 8/11/09, roncriswell@... wrote: From: roncriswell@... Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - Harleys To: "Rick McCauley" Cc: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 10:24 AM I wasn't defending loud pipes. I was just saying I know when a loud pipe Harley is coming up close to me in my blind spot but don't when a KLR does. I don't much care either way in the city as long as they don't ride through my neighborhood at night .... loud .... or fast ..... or both. When I really don't like loud pipes is camping when some dufus roars though to his camp then breaks out his Lenerd Skinnerd (Freebird), bottle rockets and Tequillia. Pistol firing is optional. Criswell On Aug 11, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Rick McCauley wrote: > Loud pipes save lives. What a crock. But whether you agree or > disagree, straight pipes are illegal. Even modifications to stock > pipes are illegal. > So is riding a crotch rocket (or any other bike) down the highway > on a wheelie. So is riding at speeds above the posted speed limit. > Would you ride a wheelie past a cop? That's a $2,000 ticket in > Illinois. Would you blow by a cop at twice the speed limit? Of > course not. > But people with straight pipes don't give a second thought to > riding past a cop. They are breaking the law same as someone > speeding, but they suffer no consequences. > The only way to put an end to it, is for many people to start > calling the police station and complain. Trust me. If one person > calls nothing will be done. At least not in Bureau county Illinois. > I tried. They said they are too busy to worry about such things. I > hate bikes with straight pipes. They are annoying. I would love to > see the law enforced. Start calling. Get your friends and families > to call. > > Rick > A17 > > > > Tue, 8/11/09, roncriswell@ sbcglobal. net > wrote: > > From: roncriswell@ sbcglobal. net > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR - Harleys > To: "Jud Jones" > Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com > Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 8:40 AM > > > > I have to disagree Jud, when I am on the freeway and a loud Harley is > coming up from behind, I do hear him and know he is there. Sport > bikes coming up at double the speed ........ no. I have found it is a > good idea never to change lanes quickly anymore anyway. The drivers > never know my KLR is there even if they can see me. I guess I need > more bling (chrome). > > Criswell > On Aug 10, 2009, at 10:31 PM, Jud Jones wrote: > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "Gordon P" > wrote: > > I have aftermarket exhaust on my RG (BUB-Rineharts) which were > > installed as part of the performance enhancement I did to the bike > > 2 years ago. Yes they are 'somewhat' louder than stock, but I don't > > hammer it in urban areas, and at speed on the freeway I don't mind > > a driver knowing I'm there when I choose to pass. > > > > If you think that's working for you, you are deluded. I just > > returned from a trip to the Black Hills at the tail end of Rally > > Week. For reasons I won't go into, I rode the whole trip out and > > back in the back left seat of a crew cab pickup. Quite a few > > Harleys passed us on the way out and back, most of them unmuffled. > > Not once did I ever hear an overtaking bike before I could see it. > > This past weekend confirms my previous experience on bikes and in > > cars. I don't care how loud your bike is, if I don't see you in my > > mirror, I don't know you are there. > > > > "Loud pipes save lives" is a canard, and a lame excuse for > > sociopathic behavior. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[roncriswell@sbcglobal.net]

Oh no problem. Loud pipes do piss off a lot of people. Harleys do have a sort of tractor type sound unlike a high pitched Jap bike on megaphones (music). Hell for some reason I used to go watch indoor short track races in the seventies with 2 strokes on expansion chambers (no silencers). Couldn't hear for 3 days afterwards. But the loudest other than jets or rockets is Top Fuel Dragsters or Funny Cars. I go see those races when they pass through. You will see tards hanging by the fence at the starting line with no ear phones, plugs or nothing. Say Whhhhuuuuut???? Guns are also really bad for your ears. I have 2 friends that have been around a lot of guns (including Viet Nam). They are just about totally deaf. Criswell

On Aug 11, 2009, at 10:45 AM, Rick McCauley wrote: > I didn't mean to make it sound like i was responding to you > directly Ron. Sorry about that. My email was my thought based on > several emails on this subject. Yours was just the one I hit reply > on. Sorry if you thought I was focusing on you. > I understand your frustration when your camping. That is supposed > to be a peaceful, relaxing time. > We can't even have the doors open at Church on a nice Summer Sunday > without a bike with straight pipes drowning out the Pastors voice. > Disrespectful, and annoying. > > Rick > A17 > > - > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Thought: If one wanted to protect an aftermarket brake line - some clear, spiral wire wrap (Home Depot/Lowe's,etc...) might do a nice job with little fuss and look okay,too. example : http://tinyurl.com/kma423 eddie

> [Original Message] > From: transalp 1 > To: KLR650 list DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 8/11/2009 11:27:51 AM > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] brake line upgrade > > > The spring can be shelved. Not needed. > For where the hose goes through guides, I've bought some fuel line with

an inner diameter near that of the new brake line's outer diameter.

> Nothing fancy. A foot of auto parts store bulk line worked fine. > Cut to size, split it, slip it over the barke line where needed and

secure with small black plastic wire ties or contact cement.

> Done! > =) > eddie > > > > [Original Message] > > From: David Giuliani > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > > Date: 8/11/2009 11:19:35 AM > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] brake line upgrade > > > > I removed the stock front brake line and discovered there's not a clean

way to transfer the protective rubber covers, grommets and spring over to the new stainless line. I can split the rubber mounting grommets, and maybe the other rubber stuff, but that spring doesn't look like it will pass over the end fittings. What do you guys do? Dave

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