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[Rick McCauley]

More is better theory. One of my favorites. If you sprayed the chain after a ride, the WD-40 has the chance to gum up nice and tacky. If you spray it before the ride, wouldn't that wash it off what you sprayed on after the last ride? Rick A17

--- On Tue, 4/21/09, n9udl wrote: From: n9udl Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: chain life To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:01 AM I wonder if, since WD-40 is supposed to displace moisture, after the ride would be better since it would remove moisture that would cause rusting. However, I'm sure the correct answer is both before *and* after the ride. I am following the Motorex clean/lube regimen that my brother believes in, but the WD-40 method sounds like a lot less work and possibly less messy. I almost attempted the "2x4 under the sidestand, hammer under the swingarm" method of chain-lubing mentioned earlier, but I could not press through the anxiety I was feeling about possibly launching my un-manned KLR through the wall of the garage. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, Rick McCauley wrote: > > Hi Jud > I think you misunderstood my last sentence. I was stating that I have never used WD-40 as a chain lubricant. I didn't mean that I would not use it, just that I had not so far. > > But I am questioning when the best time to apply it is. Before or after a ride? > I assume that it would be best afterwards, so that it has a chance to get gummy before the next ride. Is that assumption correct? > > Rick > A17 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jeff Khoury]

Good Morning, I've always used exactly what the manual recommends: 90wt. gear oil. I have an old hand pump oiler, and you can pick up Castrol Gear oil for under 6 bucks a quart. A little dab'll do ya on the inside surface of the o-rings so centrifugal force will work it down where it needs to be. I clean it once in a while with CLP. It's the WD-40 for us ex-military types. -Jeff

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick McCauley" To: "dsn klr650" dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:40:31 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: chain life More is better theory. One of my favorites. If you sprayed the chain after a ride, the WD-40 has the chance to gum up nice and tacky. If you spray it before the ride, wouldn't that wash it off what you sprayed on after the last ride? Rick A17 --- On Tue, 4/21/09, n9udl < advnewb@... > wrote: From: n9udl < advnewb@... > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: chain life To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:01 AM I wonder if, since WD-40 is supposed to displace moisture, after the ride would be better since it would remove moisture that would cause rusting. However, I'm sure the correct answer is both before *and* after the ride. I am following the Motorex clean/lube regimen that my brother believes in, but the WD-40 method sounds like a lot less work and possibly less messy. I almost attempted the "2x4 under the sidestand, hammer under the swingarm" method of chain-lubing mentioned earlier, but I could not press through the anxiety I was feeling about possibly launching my un-manned KLR through the wall of the garage. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, Rick McCauley wrote: > > Hi Jud > I think you misunderstood my last sentence. I was stating that I have never used WD-40 as a chain lubricant. I didn't mean that I would not use it, just that I had not so far. > > But I am questioning when the best time to apply it is. Before or after a ride? > I assume that it would be best afterwards, so that it has a chance to get gummy before the next ride. Is that assumption correct? > > Rick > A17 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[fasteddiecopeman]

Rick, I apply the WD40 when I arrive back from a ride with the chain still 'hot'. Then I wipe it down with a rag. It never does get "gummy" for me. Ed

[Rick McCauley]

Hi Ed I guess gummy wasn't the best word to use. I have noticed that when you let WD-40 sit, and the solvents go away, what is left is a tacky oil film. I assumed this would be a good thing. I like the idea of using WD-40 to wash away the grit after a ride. It just makes sense Rick A17

--- On Tue, 4/21/09, fasteddiecopeman wrote: From: fasteddiecopeman Subject: Re: chain life To: ramachm12@... Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 1:12 PM Rick, I apply the WD40 when I arrive back from a ride with the chain still 'hot'. Then I wipe it down with a rag. It never does get "gummy" for me. Ed [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Khoury wrote:

> > Good Morning, > > I've always used exactly what the manual recommends: 90wt. gear oil. > > I have an old hand pump oiler, and you can pick up Castrol Gear oil for under 6 bucks a quart. > > A little dab'll do ya on the inside surface of the o-rings so centrifugal force will work it down where it needs to be. > > I clean it once in a while with CLP. It's the WD-40 for us ex-military types. >

I used to use 90wt, just as the manual recommends. I applied it at every opportunity, through a squeeze-bottle-operated Loobman chain oiler. The 90wt combined with road grit to make a very effective grinding paste that chewed up a chain and sprockets in under 5000 miles. How long do your chains last, and how much do you ride off pavement? Do you think the oil is getting past the o-rings to where it can supplant the factory-supplied lubricant?

[Joe Nelson]

My anecdotal $.02: I began the Great Divide Ride with 3300 miles on the OEM chain, cleaned and lubed. The trip went 7000 miles, 2400 being off-road, heavily loaded, with lots of dirt, dust and high ambient temps (almost no water). The remaining miles were at highway speeds. My chain maintenance was to spray down the chain every other off-road day (about 400 miles) with WD40 -- that's it. The chain never needed adjusting. At the end of the trip (the chain & sprockets now at ~ 10000 miles) still no adjustment was required and the sprockets showed no apparent wear. I can't see past the O-rings so don't know about that, but the fact that the chain never "stretched" under those conditions indicates little wear occurring, at least to me. At home I occasionally "clean" with WD40 and apply a commercial lube or wipe with gear oil. YMMV JOE in WI

[Michael Hagen]

If we could only get an Best Oil Thread and a Chain/WD40 Thread going at the same time! Just kidding ): Mike A14 Somewhat apart in Crestline, Ca. Mikey - Hoping "Hoping" would Work! ...."The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." MARGARET THATCHER [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jeff Khoury]

My regimen is as follows: * Lube every 500 miles or so with 90wt gear oil per the manual. Just a small bead of oil along the o-ring "inner" surface. A drop or two along the chain surfaces to put a little lube on the sprocket tooth faces. *After each day of trail riding (My trips are usually day trips on fire roads, etc), or every 1500 miles of street riding, I clean the chain with CLP and a toothbrush, just like people mention they've been using WD-40. CLP is a little bit thicker than WD, but it cleans well, and the military uses it to protect firearms in a salt-water environment, so I figure it has that going for it. *I'm at 15,000 miles and have had to adjust my chain once, and there's still plenty of length left. -Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jud Jones" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:59:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: chain life --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , Jeff Khoury wrote: > > Good Morning, > > I've always used exactly what the manual recommends: 90wt. gear oil. > > I have an old hand pump oiler, and you can pick up Castrol Gear oil for under 6 bucks a quart. > > A little dab'll do ya on the inside surface of the o-rings so centrifugal force will work it down where it needs to be. > > I clean it once in a while with CLP. It's the WD-40 for us ex-military types. > I used to use 90wt, just as the manual recommends. I applied it at every opportunity, through a squeeze-bottle-operated Loobman chain oiler. The 90wt combined with road grit to make a very effective grinding paste that chewed up a chain and sprockets in under 5000 miles. How long do your chains last, and how much do you ride off pavement? Do you think the oil is getting past the o-rings to where it can supplant the factory-supplied lubricant? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[rockiedog2]

Last May I left on a 13000 mile trip with a new chain/sprockets and started out spraying it down a couple times a day with WD40. I was doing 500 or 600 miles a day lots of days. Lots of rain,mud and grit. 4000 miles of dirt and gravel roads. Early enroute I quit doing anything to it, never did clean it...I figured that all the trouble frequent lubing/cleaning and the cost of WD 40 or whatever you use more or less canceled out the cost/trouble of installing an early new chain. It made the 13000 mile trip but was shot when I got home. That's good enough for me. I don't do anything to mine except run it til its worn out.

> * Lube every 500 miles or so with 90wt gear oil per the manual. Just a small bead of oil along the o-ring "inner" surface. A drop or two along the chain surfaces to put a little lube on the sprocket tooth faces. > > *After each day of trail riding (My trips are usually day trips on fire roads, etc), or every 1500 miles of street riding, I clean the chain with CLP and a toothbrush, just like people mention they've been using WD-40. CLP is a little bit thicker than WD, but it cleans well, and the military uses it to protect firearms in a salt-water environment, so I figure it has that going for it. > > *I'm at 15,000 miles and have had to adjust my chain once, and there's still plenty of length left. > > > > -Jeff Khoury > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jud Jones" > To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:59:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: chain life > > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , Jeff Khoury wrote: > > > > Good Morning, > > > > I've always used exactly what the manual recommends: 90wt. gear oil. > > > > I have an old hand pump oiler, and you can pick up Castrol Gear oil for under 6 bucks a quart. > > > > A little dab'll do ya on the inside surface of the o-rings so centrifugal force will work it down where it needs to be. > > > > I clean it once in a while with CLP. It's the WD-40 for us ex-military types. > > > > I used to use 90wt, just as the manual recommends. I applied it at every opportunity, through a squeeze-bottle-operated Loobman chain oiler. The 90wt combined with road grit to make a very effective grinding paste that chewed up a chain and sprockets in under 5000 miles. > > How long do your chains last, and how much do you ride off pavement? Do you think the oil is getting past the o-rings to where it can supplant the factory-supplied lubricant? > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Rick McCauley]

I purchased a DID chain, and JT sprockets to the sum of $200.00. I don't want to do that any more than I have to. Lots of folks out there make enough money not to worry about such things. I am not one of them. Rick A17

--- On Wed, 4/22/09, rockiedog2 wrote: From: rockiedog2 Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: chain life To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 12:24 PM Last May I left on a 13000 mile trip with a new chain/sprockets and started out spraying it down a couple times a day with WD40. I was doing 500 or 600 miles a day lots of days. Lots of rain,mud and grit. 4000 miles of dirt and gravel roads. Early enroute I quit doing anything to it, never did clean it...I figured that all the trouble frequent lubing/cleaning and the cost of WD 40 or whatever you use more or less canceled out the cost/trouble of installing an early new chain. It made the 13000 mile trip but was shot when I got home. That's good enough for me. I don't do anything to mine except run it til its worn out. > * Lube every 500 miles or so with 90wt gear oil per the manual. Just a small bead of oil along the o-ring "inner" surface. A drop or two along the chain surfaces to put a little lube on the sprocket tooth faces. > > *After each day of trail riding (My trips are usually day trips on fire roads, etc), or every 1500 miles of street riding, I clean the chain with CLP and a toothbrush, just like people mention they've been using WD-40. CLP is a little bit thicker than WD, but it cleans well, and the military uses it to protect firearms in a salt-water environment, so I figure it has that going for it. > > *I'm at 15,000 miles and have had to adjust my chain once, and there's still plenty of length left. > > > > -Jeff Khoury > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jud Jones" > To: "DSN KLR650" > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:59:02 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: chain life > > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com , Jeff Khoury wrote: > > > > Good Morning, > > > > I've always used exactly what the manual recommends: 90wt. gear oil. > > > > I have an old hand pump oiler, and you can pick up Castrol Gear oil for under 6 bucks a quart. > > > > A little dab'll do ya on the inside surface of the o-rings so centrifugal force will work it down where it needs to be. > > > > I clean it once in a while with CLP. It's the WD-40 for us ex-military types. > > > > I used to use 90wt, just as the manual recommends. I applied it at every opportunity, through a squeeze-bottle- operated Loobman chain oiler. The 90wt combined with road grit to make a very effective grinding paste that chewed up a chain and sprockets in under 5000 miles. > > How long do your chains last, and how much do you ride off pavement? Do you think the oil is getting past the o-rings to where it can supplant the factory-supplied lubricant? > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]