$150 range tent update (nklr)

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn" wrote:

> > Great review for only getting a quick look. I think that these will

be

> the best type of reviews of this new model. From folks with KLR > experience. I'm interested in seeing one for myself as it does seem

to

> have a few of the upgrades that I would be interested in seeing for > myself. As most of my miles are commuting and back country road

type

> this new model sounds just about right. Any one else have any

comments

> on the new model worth sharing? Thanks. > Glenn > 03KLR650 > 22,235 smiles and counting >

Hello Glenn, I was at the dealer again today, wanted to see the chain tensioner, again. I can't see how it is an improvement. Some one with an engineer mind, is this an improvement? How? It captures the axle better? I said, I don't think I care for his much.... dealer: "Well, you don't move it that much, that often, blah, blah blah." "Really" I says, "and if you change the counter sproket, I move the chain tensioner 10+ revolutions for slack, etc." "Oh" He had to agree, that would make it painful. The average, one-sprocket rider probably no big deal--but if you change the CS twice in one day, you will likely have a few ugly words for KHI. Looks to me like an axle/tensioner designed by a lawyer. and, as Jeff Saline said yesteday, the brake pedal 'pad' does not fold on the '08. It looked like the larger plastic engine guard might fit the pre-08, at least at the down tube. NON-KLR I also saw the new non-ABS Concours. I think I heard him say that price was $13,9xx. Lots of plastic to scratch. BACK TO KLR: Concours: Not for me (at that price!) revmaaatin. who is off to bed; preping for another night of ER heart attacKs and not-so-sober revelers

[Russell Scott]

Not if they put something like this in it. The 2008 RM-Z450 is striking in its use of electronic fuel injection, which is claimed to increase roll-on power, and low-to-mid range power. The system is designed by Keihin specifically for motocross, and does not require a battery. I think EFI will increase a KLR to 60-70 mpg, and by 2012 carburetors will be a thing of the past in newly designed motorcycles. R -----Original Message----- From: Mike Peplinski [mailto:motormind72@...] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:24 AM To: russell@...; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: the 2008 Yes to the 6 speed, pass on the EFI. I like the "keep it simple" carb. voltage is to be measured ini volts, not microvolts IMHO.

>From: "Russell Scott" >To: "KListeRs" DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: the 2008 >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:00:29 -0700 > >Give me a six speed and EFI, and I'm ready to make Kawi a few bucks. > >R > -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On >Behalf Of tjtacke > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 6:03 PM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: the 2008 > > > Charlie Robinson said it much better, "you're not the best, but > you're the best I can get." > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Terry Hamrick" > wrote: > > > > It all boils down to "what makes you happy". > > > > Like wives... > > > > There was an Country song that went: > > > > the other mans wife is always sweeter, the grass is much greener on > the > > other side > > some are lucky, some are not, > > I'm just happy with what i got > > > > So when you find something that makes you happy, stick with it... > > > > Until then, keep searching... > > > > albatross > > who searches for enlightenment in very odd places > > > > On 7/19/07, Mike Peplinski wrote: > > > > > > IMHO BMW's have issues but the folks who buy them consider it > part of the > > > "mystique". The same applies to BMw cages, Audi, and VW. Is there > a trend > > > here? The KLR needs a couple of upgrades, then ride it into the > sunset. > > > Has > > > anyone truly worn one out? > > > (7 VW's, 1 BMW cage, 2 BMW mc's---and a KLR) > > > > > > >From: Jim Douglas > > > >To: Terry Hamrick > > > >CC: kellymc58 , DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > >Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] the 2008 > > > >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:23:40 -0500 > > > > > > > >Terry Hamrick wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I ask, what about the '08 makes it compelling? > > > > > > > > > > albatross > > > > > who wonders why > > > > > > > > > > On 7/17/07, kellymc58 > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > is it worth trading my 05 klr that has 8000 miles on it and > nothing > > > > > > wrong for the more stylous 2008 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It's new! It looks nicer (to me) and it's quite a bit better on > the > > > >road, where > > > >typically one spends most of the time. I do not believe it's the > bike > > > >for me to go from TX-AK on as after a 700 mile trip, Dallas- > HotSprings, > > > >I found > > > >the constant vibration to be ass numbing! I am looking at a > $20.00 > > > >throw on seat from Wmart that looks promising, I would hate to > spend more > > > >on a new seat only to find it not good for my ass. I know lot's > of folks > > > >like > > > >the Corbin stuff but alot of folks also believe the stock KLR > seat is > > > fine > > > >for riding distances. I looked at the BMW and Triumph before > getting > > > >another KLR > > > >as the main reason for getting the KLR was the cheap parts and > > > >availability of service across the USA. > > > > > > > >JimD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > > > >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > >Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! > > > http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 >Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

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[mbetcher]

Keep it simple? A carburetor? Every time I tear one apart (four of them yesterday for my Suzuki GV1200 -- leaking O-rings on the float needle seats) I think that Rube Goldberg would have a wet dream just thinking about the hideous complexity of those things. And every little part -- diaphragm, jets, floats, needles and seat -- have the potential to get clogged, damaged, leaky or simply out of whack. By comparison, EFI is dirt simple and has never given me a moment's problem on bike, car, truck or Evinrude outboard. Give me EFI any day. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Peplinski" wrote:

> > > Yes to the 6 speed, pass on the EFI. I like the "keep it simple" carb. >

[Bill Watson]

Rev, I'm with you. The rear axle position adjustment on the '08 looks a lot nicer but I haven't figured out how it's any better mechanically. My previous bike was a '83 (yes, eighty-three!) Honda with snail adjusters. Now THAT was a good design. I could do a chain adjustment in about one minute. Still doesn't seem that KHI got this one right yet. Bill Watson Phoenix, AZ ---------------- The Rev wrote: I was at the dealer again today, wanted to see the chain tensioner, again. I can't see how it is an improvement. Some one with an engineer mind, is this an improvement? How? It captures the axle better? --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Michael Nelson]

On Fri, Jul 20, 2007 at 11:13:59PM -0000, mbetcher wrote:

> Keep it simple? A carburetor? Every time I tear one apart (four of > them yesterday for my Suzuki GV1200 -- leaking O-rings on the float > needle seats) I think that Rube Goldberg would have a wet dream just > thinking about the hideous complexity of those things.

My high school auto shop teacher told us "Carburetor is a French word meaning 'leave me alone'". Michael -- "It ain't those parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it's the parts that I do understand." --Mark Twain San Francisco, CA

[Mike Peplinski]

Agreed. In a few years the only bikes with carbs will be old ones. ANyone know if a car with a carb?

>From: "Russell Scott" >To: "KListeRs" DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: the 2008 >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:28:22 -0700 > >Not if they put something like this in it. > >The 2008 RM-Z450 is striking in its use of electronic fuel injection, which >is claimed to increase roll-on power, and low-to-mid range power. The >system >is designed by Keihin specifically for motocross, and does not require a >battery. > >I think EFI will increase a KLR to 60-70 mpg, and by 2012 carburetors will >be a thing of the past in newly designed motorcycles. > >R > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mike Peplinski [mailto:motormind72@...] >Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:24 AM >To: russell@...; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: the 2008 > > > >Yes to the 6 speed, pass on the EFI. I like the "keep it simple" carb. >voltage is to be measured ini volts, not microvolts IMHO. > > >From: "Russell Scott" > >To: "KListeRs" DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: the 2008 > >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:00:29 -0700 > > > >Give me a six speed and EFI, and I'm ready to make Kawi a few bucks. > > > >R > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On > >Behalf Of tjtacke > > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 6:03 PM > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: the 2008 > > > > > > Charlie Robinson said it much better, "you're not the best, but > > you're the best I can get." > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Terry Hamrick" > > wrote: > > > > > > It all boils down to "what makes you happy". > > > > > > Like wives... > > > > > > There was an Country song that went: > > > > > > the other mans wife is always sweeter, the grass is much greener on > > the > > > other side > > > some are lucky, some are not, > > > I'm just happy with what i got > > > > > > So when you find something that makes you happy, stick with it... > > > > > > Until then, keep searching... > > > > > > albatross > > > who searches for enlightenment in very odd places > > > > > > On 7/19/07, Mike Peplinski wrote: > > > > > > > > IMHO BMW's have issues but the folks who buy them consider it > > part of the > > > > "mystique". The same applies to BMw cages, Audi, and VW. Is there > > a trend > > > > here? The KLR needs a couple of upgrades, then ride it into the > > sunset. > > > > Has > > > > anyone truly worn one out? > > > > (7 VW's, 1 BMW cage, 2 BMW mc's---and a KLR) > > > > > > > > >From: Jim Douglas > > > > >To: Terry Hamrick > > > > >CC: kellymc58 , DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > > >Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] the 2008 > > > > >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:23:40 -0500 > > > > > > > > > >Terry Hamrick wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I ask, what about the '08 makes it compelling? > > > > > > > > > > > > albatross > > > > > > who wonders why > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/17/07, kellymc58 > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is it worth trading my 05 klr that has 8000 miles on it and > > nothing > > > > > > > wrong for the more stylous 2008 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It's new! It looks nicer (to me) and it's quite a bit better on > > the > > > > >road, where > > > > >typically one spends most of the time. I do not believe it's the > > bike > > > > >for me to go from TX-AK on as after a 700 mile trip, Dallas- > > HotSprings, > > > > >I found > > > > >the constant vibration to be ass numbing! I am looking at a > > $20.00 > > > > >throw on seat from Wmart that looks promising, I would hate to > > spend more > > > > >on a new seat only to find it not good for my ass. I know lot's > > of folks > > > > >like > > > > >the Corbin stuff but alot of folks also believe the stock KLR > > seat is > > > > fine > > > > >for riding distances. I looked at the BMW and Triumph before > > getting > > > > >another KLR > > > > >as the main reason for getting the KLR was the cheap parts and > > > > >availability of service across the USA. > > > > > > > > > >JimD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > > > > >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > >Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! > > > > http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > >Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >http://liveearth.msn.com > > > > >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 >Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

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[Terry Taylor]

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[Chris Norloff]

Nope, and good point. Reminds me when I bought my first CB750F - no backup kick starter! I was seriously considering not getting it until I remembered my parents' experience. When they upgraded from a 1948 VW Beetle to a 1952 they were concerned that the '52 didn't have a backup hand-crank for the engine. But they bought it anyway. Anybody know a car that needs a backup hand-crank? How about ignition points? Remember those? I was very pleased to have gotten rid of all of them, until I got into Vintage Motorcycle Trials. And I remembered what a royal PITA points are! With fussing and caring I can make them work ... just like in the "good ol' days" ... or I can take a modern bike and just go ride. Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Mike Peplinski" Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:55:26 -0500

>Agreed. In a few years the only bikes with carbs will be old ones. ANyone >know if a car with a carb? > > >>From: "Russell Scott" >>To: "KListeRs" DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> >>Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: the 2008 >>Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:28:22 -0700 >> >>Not if they put something like this in it. >> >>The 2008 RM-Z450 is striking in its use of electronic fuel injection, which >>is claimed to increase roll-on power, and low-to-mid range power. The >>system >>is designed by Keihin specifically for motocross, and does not require a >>battery. >> >>I think EFI will increase a KLR to 60-70 mpg, and by 2012 carburetors will >>be a thing of the past in newly designed motorcycles. >> >>R >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Mike Peplinski [mailto:motormind72@...] >>Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:24 AM >>To: russell@...; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com >>Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: the 2008 >> >> >> >>Yes to the 6 speed, pass on the EFI. I like the "keep it simple" carb. >>voltage is to be measured ini volts, not microvolts IMHO. >> >> >From: "Russell Scott" >> >To: "KListeRs" DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> >> >Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: the 2008 >> >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:00:29 -0700 >> > >> >Give me a six speed and EFI, and I'm ready to make Kawi a few bucks. >> > >> >R >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On >> >Behalf Of tjtacke >> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 6:03 PM >> > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >> > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: the 2008 >> > >> > >> > Charlie Robinson said it much better, "you're not the best, but >> > you're the best I can get." >> > >> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Terry Hamrick" >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > It all boils down to "what makes you happy". >> > > >> > > Like wives... >> > > >> > > There was an Country song that went: >> > > >> > > the other mans wife is always sweeter, the grass is much greener on >> > the >> > > other side >> > > some are lucky, some are not, >> > > I'm just happy with what i got >> > > >> > > So when you find something that makes you happy, stick with it... >> > > >> > > Until then, keep searching... >> > > >> > > albatross >> > > who searches for enlightenment in very odd places >> > > >> > > On 7/19/07, Mike Peplinski wrote: >> > > > >> > > > IMHO BMW's have issues but the folks who buy them consider it >> > part of the >> > > > "mystique". The same applies to BMw cages, Audi, and VW. Is there >> > a trend >> > > > here? The KLR needs a couple of upgrades, then ride it into the >> > sunset. >> > > > Has >> > > > anyone truly worn one out? >> > > > (7 VW's, 1 BMW cage, 2 BMW mc's---and a KLR) >> > > > >> > > > >From: Jim Douglas >> > > > >To: Terry Hamrick >> > > > >CC: kellymc58 , DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >> > > > >Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] the 2008 >> > > > >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:23:40 -0500 >> > > > > >> > > > >Terry Hamrick wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I ask, what about the '08 makes it compelling? >> > > > > > >> > > > > > albatross >> > > > > > who wonders why >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On 7/17/07, kellymc58 > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > is it worth trading my 05 klr that has 8000 miles on it and >> > nothing >> > > > > > > wrong for the more stylous 2008 >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >It's new! It looks nicer (to me) and it's quite a bit better on >> > the >> > > > >road, where >> > > > >typically one spends most of the time. I do not believe it's the >> > bike >> > > > >for me to go from TX-AK on as after a 700 mile trip, Dallas- >> > HotSprings, >> > > > >I found >> > > > >the constant vibration to be ass numbing! I am looking at a >> > $20.00 >> > > > >throw on seat from Wmart that looks promising, I would hate to >> > spend more >> > > > >on a new seat only to find it not good for my ass. I know lot's >> > of folks >> > > > >like >> > > > >the Corbin stuff but alot of folks also believe the stock KLR >> > seat is >> > > > fine >> > > > >for riding distances. I looked at the BMW and Triumph before >> > getting >> > > > >another KLR >> > > > >as the main reason for getting the KLR was the cheap parts and >> > > > >availability of service across the USA. >> > > > > >> > > > >JimD >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >> > > > >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >> > > > >Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 >> > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > __________________________________________________________ >> > > > Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! >> > > > http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> > >> >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >> >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >> >Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 >> >Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>http://liveearth.msn.com >> >> >> >> >>List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >>List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >>Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 >>Yahoo! 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