loud pipes save lives - headlight modulators

[J Fortner]

On 8/16/06, jeepaviation wrote:

> > In response to all the replies the best one says concisely > > Bullshit. > > It is a good way to start my day at work. I must admit it does not take > much to offend several in the group. It always brings a good laugh to > hear the response I get from this group when I post. > > Sounds like many of you need to talk to your forest managers etc... to > obtain the result that you want. Popular opinion is what closed the > trails...popular opinion can open it again. If you disagree than I > think the Commissar has won in your state. Welcome to the USSA > >>Do you believe gas prices will be coming down soon also becuase of > "Popular opinion"? >

Perhaps you should think of moving to Nevada where we still live in a

> free nation. > >>Free as government allows you to be.. > I would like to listen to your further comments about restricting my > rights to an un-necessarily loud pipe...But....wait. I just fired up my > KLR and can't hear you. > >>What about the rights of others not to have hear your underpowered > noisemaker >>while they relax? Should they just deal with it? Wear ear > plugs? > jf >

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[Thor Lancelot Simon]

On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 04:05:56AM -0000, jeepaviation wrote:

> Louder, Well...SOME people think that a loud bike makes others frown > upon our "riding freedom". Let me tell you, if you are in a large city > the BEST THING you can have is a LOUD RIDE!!!!

Yeah, great, so everyone in their cars with the stereo on can hear you _AFTER YOU GO BY_. That will do you a lot of good. Not much sound comes out of the _front_ of that loud pipe, you know. I commute on the KLR every day in heavy New York City traffic. I see no difference whatsoever in the behavior of cars around me or around the occasional idiot on a straight-pipes Harley. If you're counting on THEM to notice YOU for your safety in city traffic, the only likely result is that YOU will eventually come to a very unpleasant end under one of THEM. New York is currently having a city-wide crackdown on motorcycles due to idiotic (and illegal) activities like mounting straight pipes, doing wheelies in traffic, etc. It was prompted by resident, pedestrian, and driver complaints. Four times now, I have been held up for 5-10 minutes at a checkpoint pulling over all 2-wheeled vehicles just to show my documentation and go on my way. For this I suppose I owe a big "thank you!" to every bozo who thinks loud pipes are a good idea in the city. (Of course, we all owe those bozos a big "thank you!" for cutting off access to more and more trail riding opportunities...)

[Thor Lancelot Simon]

On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 06:00:20AM -0000, Jim wrote:

> > When it comes to trail use, there is even less argument for having a > quiet bike. We ride out in the wilderness with nobody around to > complain.

Uh, no. Look at the public comments next time a land use policy around where you live is reviewed. You will find, as is almost always the case, that motor vehicle noise (and tire tracks from 4x4s, and 2-stroke smoke from snowmobiles) is one of the top 2 or 3 complaints. Public land all over the continent is being slowly closed off to motorized recreation, and loud pipes are a *big* part of the problem. It might look like wilderness to you, but there are still plenty of people within earshot -- even if you can't see them.

[Krgrife@aol.com]

In a message dated 8/16/2006 9:34:09 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, tls@... writes:

>>>>>>>>>>Uh, no. Look at the public comments next time a land use policy

around where you live is reviewed. You will find, as is almost always the case, that motor vehicle noise (and tire tracks from 4x4s, and 2-stroke smoke from snowmobiles) is one of the top 2 or 3 complaints. Public land all over the continent is being slowly closed off to motorized recreation, and loud pipes are a *big* part of the problem. It might look like wilderness to you, but there are still plenty of people within earshot -- even if you can't see them.

[teamster1997]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, CB wrote:

> > I have a different take on this. Just my thoughts, not trying to > convert anyone. > > It's interesting to me to see this post here. The "loud pipes

save

> lives" crowd tends to be more involved with cruisers, generally. > They often claim the loud pipes make them safer. These seem to

also

> be the same folks that wear a t-shirt, jeans and skid lid for > protection. To me, their claim of being safety focused is worn

thin

> by their other habits. > > A few observations below: > On Aug 15, 2006, at 9:05 PM, jeepaviation wrote: > > Louder, Well...SOME people think that a loud bike makes others

frown

> > upon our "riding freedom". > It does. People almost universally dislike loud motorcycles. > > > .. do you really think our little KLR 650 cc is even > > comparable to a 96 CI V-Twin with gutted pipes (AKA - any

Harley).

> > Let me tell you, It's not even close. > > The V-Twins are a problem, so it's okay for us to make it worse?

Huh?

> > With all the 4 wheelers out there in the morning putting on

makeup,

> > listening to the radio, eating breakfast, drinking coffee, and

talking

> > on their $%&#!@ Cell phones...a loud pipe is a real advantage. > There have been reputable studies done that show this is simply

not

> true in almost any situation. The pipes don't direct the sound

where

> you need it -- in front of you. Unless of course you've turned

the

> pipes around to they point in front of the motorcycle. (in which > case they may work great and probably scare the heck out of a lot

of

> people.) The exception to this seems to be when you're riding

next

> to someone and they attempt to come over into your lane. This > situation is easily avoided though just by riding defensively. > > Planning ahead, practicing emergency maneuvers and riding

defensively

> are much better options for keeping oneself healthy. And, it

won't

> piss off everyone within a hundred yards. > > LIke I said, just my 2 cents.. > > Ride safe and enjoy. > > Clark >

Hello Clark, I can tell you this from experience, The Harley that I commuted with from Spanaway to Seattle for two years, was the only bike that I never, repeat, never had anyone pull into my lane with me while I was occupying it. I definitely had that problem with the Yamaha Venture, V-65 Magna and the 650 nighthawk. I'm pretty sure it wasn't because it was a Harley, but rather, it was louder than hell with straight pipes. I respect your opinion, but I couldn't care less if I piss a thousand people off because I ride a bike with loud pipes. At least I'll be alive! Until folks can be more aware, I'm going to do what I have to, to avoid them, including putting fog lights on the bike to break up the single light pattern and wearing a bright yellow vest. I have the same problem with the KLR but not as much because most of my commute now is through back roads. About the only thing I'm fighting for road space with now are the raccoons and the deer on my commute from Shelton to Seattle. You can be the best defensive motorcycle rider out there, but it only takes a split second while your looking at something for shit to happen. Take care, Tim....

[teamster1997]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" wrote:

> > I'd like to toss out a few opinions here. Keep in mind that I have a > stock exhaust, because I'd rather not be half deaf after a 500+

mile day.

> > I don't think riders who like to hear the sound of a good exhaust > should need to feel embarassed that they are doing something wrong. > Wherever we go on the street there are loud noises that bother us. > What is bothersome depends on the individual, so unless there is > absolute quiet in the world, there will always be someone

complaining

> about noise. Personally, I would rather hear the sound of a nice

bike

> exhaust over thumping rap music coming from a rolling speaker. Or an > annoying amateur band at a free outdoor concert on the town common.

Or

> screaming kids. Or their mother screaming at them. When I go to

work I

> am bothered by the hard-rock stations other employees listen to.

When

> I walk down the street I hear cars honking, sirens, people yelling > profanity. I want to shop in peace, and I have to listen to loud

store

> announcements and the crappy music they play over the store

speakers.

> At home I have to listen to the neighbor's kids screaming at each > other while I'm trying to have a quiet cookout. > > Most of these things will never stop, and would be impossible to

stop.

> They are the sounds of people going about their daily lives,

whether I

> want to hear it or not. Until all of that stops, I'm not going to > worry about the sound of my bike's exhaust. > > When it comes to trail use, there is even less argument for having a > quiet bike. We ride out in the wilderness with nobody around to > complain. Don't bother trying to use the "poor wild animal" excuse, > because I can't count how many times I have stopped on the trail

with

> my old ZRT800 snowmobile (800cc, 2-stroke, aftermarket exhaust which > absolutely SCREAMED) running, and watched deer feeding not far from > the trail, paying absolutely no attention to me. A couple years ago

2

> of us had to wait for 10 minutes for a moose to finally decide to

walk

> off the trail before we could go by. I could tell by how slowly she > walked down the trail that she was terrified of my loud exhaust. > > Jim >

Jim, I keep my dirt bike and my KLR quiet because I use both in the woods. Your right, there is no reason to have loud exhaust on the trails. Isn't it cool riding a snowmobile and getting to see the wildlife like that. We used to ride them in Montana and come across herds of ELK. Great times. Tim......

[Dennis Holm]

What do you mean by "skid lid?" I agree that riding a loud bike has nothing to do with being more safe on a bike. Especially considering that the majority of drivers are either on a cell phone, yelling at kids, or listening to rap music and would never hear, even a obnoxiously loud harley. But, to say wearing a helmet, regardless of what else is worn, is less safe than not wearing a helmet is equally ridiculous. Bigdroptwo teamster1997 wrote:

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, CB wrote: > > I have a different take on this. Just my thoughts, not trying to > convert anyone. > > It's interesting to me to see this post here. The "loud pipes save > lives" crowd tends to be more involved with cruisers, generally. > They often claim the loud pipes make them safer. These seem to also > be the same folks that wear a t-shirt, jeans and skid lid for > protection. To me, their claim of being safety focused is worn thin > by their other habits. > > A few observations below: > On Aug 15, 2006, at 9:05 PM, jeepaviation wrote: > > Louder, Well...SOME people think that a loud bike makes others frown > > upon our "riding freedom". > It does. People almost universally dislike loud motorcycles. > > > .. do you really think our little KLR 650 cc is even > > comparable to a 96 CI V-Twin with gutted pipes (AKA - any Harley). > > Let me tell you, It's not even close. > > The V-Twins are a problem, so it's okay for us to make it worse? Huh? > > With all the 4 wheelers out there in the morning putting on makeup, > > listening to the radio, eating breakfast, drinking coffee, and talking > > on their $%&#!@ Cell phones...a loud pipe is a real advantage. > There have been reputable studies done that show this is simply not > true in almost any situation. The pipes don't direct the sound where > you need it -- in front of you. Unless of course you've turned the > pipes around to they point in front of the motorcycle. (in which > case they may work great and probably scare the heck out of a lot of > people.) The exception to this seems to be when you're riding next > to someone and they attempt to come over into your lane. This > situation is easily avoided though just by riding defensively. > > Planning ahead, practicing emergency maneuvers and riding defensively > are much better options for keeping oneself healthy. And, it won't > piss off everyone within a hundred yards. > > LIke I said, just my 2 cents.. > > Ride safe and enjoy. > > Clark > Hello Clark, I can tell you this from experience, The Harley that I commuted with from Spanaway to Seattle for two years, was the only bike that I never, repeat, never had anyone pull into my lane with me while I was occupying it. I definitely had that problem with the Yamaha Venture, V-65 Magna and the 650 nighthawk. I'm pretty sure it wasn't because it was a Harley, but rather, it was louder than hell with straight pipes. I respect your opinion, but I couldn't care less if I piss a thousand people off because I ride a bike with loud pipes. At least I'll be alive! Until folks can be more aware, I'm going to do what I have to, to avoid them, including putting fog lights on the bike to break up the single light pattern and wearing a bright yellow vest. I have the same problem with the KLR but not as much because most of my commute now is through back roads. About the only thing I'm fighting for road space with now are the raccoons and the deer on my commute from Shelton to Seattle. You can be the best defensive motorcycle rider out there, but it only takes a split second while your looking at something for shit to happen. Take care, Tim.... --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1 /min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[teamster1997]

Whoa bigdroptwo, I wrote what is down below. Ididn't write that other stuff. I must have screwed up when I posted it, Tim....

> Hello Clark, > > > I can tell you this from experience, > > The Harley that I commuted with from Spanaway to Seattle for two > years, was the only bike that I never, repeat, never had anyone

pull

> into my lane with me while I was occupying it. I definitely had

that

> problem with the Yamaha Venture, V-65 Magna and the 650 nighthawk. > I'm pretty sure it wasn't because it was a Harley, but rather, it

was

> louder than hell with straight pipes. I respect your opinion, but I > couldn't care less if I piss a thousand people off because I ride a > bike with loud pipes. At least I'll be alive! Until folks can be

more

> aware, I'm going to do what I have to, to avoid them, including > putting fog lights on the bike to break up the single light pattern > and wearing a bright yellow vest. I have the same problem with the > KLR but not as much because most of my commute now is through back > roads. About the only thing I'm fighting for road space with now

are

> the raccoons and the deer on my commute from Shelton to Seattle.

You

> can be the best defensive motorcycle rider out there, but it only > takes a split second while your looking at something for shit to > happen. > > Take care, Tim.... >

[Hedrek]

Only time I ever notice a Harley is when they are right next to me. Or going ahead of me. So a loud pipe might help there. I never ride next to anyone without getting their attention. Either I speed up so they see me and drift back or usually just move up ahead of them so I'm not right next to them. It's just a blind spot you have to plan for. Easy and I don't add more noise pollution to the planet. --- teamster1997 wrote:

> --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, CB > wrote: > > > > I have a different take on this. Just my > thoughts, not trying to > > convert anyone. > > > > It's interesting to me to see this post here. The > "loud pipes > save > > lives" crowd tends to be more involved with > cruisers, generally. > > They often claim the loud pipes make them safer. > These seem to > also > > be the same folks that wear a t-shirt, jeans and > skid lid for > > protection. To me, their claim of being safety > focused is worn > thin > > by their other habits. > > > > A few observations below: > > On Aug 15, 2006, at 9:05 PM, jeepaviation wrote: > > > Louder, Well...SOME people think that a loud > bike makes others > frown > > > upon our "riding freedom". > > It does. People almost universally dislike loud > motorcycles. > > > > > .. do you really think our little > KLR 650 cc is even > > > comparable to a 96 CI V-Twin with gutted pipes > (AKA - any > Harley). > > > Let me tell you, It's not even close. > > > > The V-Twins are a problem, so it's okay for us to > make it worse? > Huh? > > > With all the 4 wheelers out there in the morning > putting on > makeup, > > > listening to the radio, eating breakfast, > drinking coffee, and > talking > > > on their $%&#!@ Cell phones...a loud pipe is a > real advantage. > > There have been reputable studies done that show > this is simply > not > > true in almost any situation. The pipes don't > direct the sound > where > > you need it -- in front of you. Unless of course > you've turned > the > > pipes around to they point in front of the > motorcycle. (in which > > case they may work great and probably scare the > heck out of a lot > of > > people.) The exception to this seems to be when > you're riding > next > > to someone and they attempt to come over into your > lane. This > > situation is easily avoided though just by riding > defensively. > > > > Planning ahead, practicing emergency maneuvers and > riding > defensively > > are much better options for keeping oneself > healthy. And, it > won't > > piss off everyone within a hundred yards. > > > > LIke I said, just my 2 cents.. > > > > Ride safe and enjoy. > > > > Clark > > > > > > > Hello Clark, > > > I can tell you this from experience, > > The Harley that I commuted with from Spanaway to > Seattle for two > years, was the only bike that I never, repeat, never > had anyone pull > into my lane with me while I was occupying it. I > definitely had that > problem with the Yamaha Venture, V-65 Magna and the > 650 nighthawk. > I'm pretty sure it wasn't because it was a Harley, > but rather, it was > louder than hell with straight pipes. I respect your > opinion, but I > couldn't care less if I piss a thousand people off > because I ride a > bike with loud pipes. At least I'll be alive! Until > folks can be more > aware, I'm going to do what I have to, to avoid > them, including > putting fog lights on the bike to break up the > single light pattern > and wearing a bright yellow vest. I have the same > problem with the > KLR but not as much because most of my commute now > is through back > roads. About the only thing I'm fighting for road > space with now are > the raccoons and the deer on my commute from Shelton > to Seattle. You > can be the best defensive motorcycle rider out > there, but it only > takes a split second while your looking at something > for shit to > happen. > > Take care, Tim.... > > > > > > > > > > >

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[cordmcsteve@charter.net]

You know what, if ya what it louder cut the muffler off. All I want is to get rid of that tweet!!!!! Any ideas on that riders......??? Yes, I know it's been asked time and time again. I'm just fishing for a new idea. The last guy I asked, suggested building a big fire, throw the stock KLR muffler in the fire until red hot then as it cools, beat the carbon out of the muffler that's causing the "tweet." Now that's the kind of thinking I'm after!! steve wilkesboro, nc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]