nklr - low seat height

[monahanwb@yahoo.com]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., k650dsn@a... wrote:

> BMW had to abandon the 36 month unlimited mileage > warranty when the oil heads came out. Their bikes do not hold up

any

> better than any other bike.

Not so. The policy was abandoned due to the number of long distance riders and around-the-world tourers who would purchase the bike with the plan to put unlimited miles on the bike in faraway places and thus require warranty work in difficult to reach places like Kathmandu, Panama, Chile, Siberia, et cetera. The 36000/3 year warranty was put in place to discourage this semi-abuse of a reasonably well-intented warranty policy by BMW Motorcycle Division. It is still a good warranty. As owner of ten prior and one current BMW, I do believe they hold up better than Suzukis (I own one, and have owned severeal), Hondas (same), Kawasakis (ditto), et cetera. I don't think all that highly of the newbies, yuppies, wannabes, and posers riding them nowadays, either, but they are buying motorcycles and adding to the MNP.

[Ryan Newman]

> > I have owned one, so I can talk. The newer ABS equipped BMW bikes have > some > > *serious* problems. The brakes don't work unless the engine is running.

.......

> There is a BMW K12 bike sitting down in my garage next to my KLR, and I

can

> tell you... your information is very wrong.

My best friend's brother is a euro bike dealer here in Phoenix. He had the oppertunity to buy out a BMW franchise, but passed on it. He was the one that informed me about the brake problem with the BMW's. He may have been refering to the F650's, I'm not sure. But they *have* had that problem with bikes that have gone into their shop. The mechanic rolls the bike to where he wants it, and pushes the bike, figuring it'll stop, and it doesn't. It just keeps rolling right into the wall. This, IS on a bike with working brakes. The ABS systems have a lot of problems. I've read and heard way too much about them going wrong to ever buy one. Ryan Phoenix

[monahanwb@yahoo.com]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Ryan Newman" wrote: But they *have* had that problem with > bikes that have gone into their shop. The mechanic rolls the bike to where > he wants it, and pushes the bike, figuring it'll stop, and it doesn't. It > just keeps rolling right into the wall. This, IS on a bike with working > brakes. The ABS systems have a lot of problems. I've read and heard way too > much about them going wrong to ever buy one. You are speaking of the 2002 model year and its "servo-assist" which is just another word for power brakes. You only get servo-assist with the motor running to produce vacuum. Just like any old car of the seventies. You can still use the brakes, you just have to squeeze the lever (push the pedal) harder, just like one of the power- braked cars. Personally, I don't need servo assist on my brakes. I am riding my R1100RS today, as I have been all week, and I always cut the motor and roll the last fifty or so feet to my parking spot, motor off. I still have all the brakes needed (my bike is a 97 with ABS). Personally, I think the BMW ABS systems are totally foolproof and nothing else can stop you so safely in winter ice, rain, oil, diesel, or dirt. Not to mention they are mated with top of the line Brembo components. Way ahead of Nissin or other generic Japanese brakes, in terms of power and feel. You see Brembos on the winning race bikes, generally. There is a reason for that. They stop.

[Riley Harlton]

I think what you guys are talking about are the new EVO brakes. They are new for 2002. They are like power assisted brakes on a car. They work without engine power but like "power" car brakes you gotta really press. It seems that until you learn to expect it, it can surprise you. You would think a dealer would know this. It has nothing to do with a BMW ABS problem. It is not available on the F650 or the 1150GS as far as I have read. The ABS system itself is actually proving to be quite reliable. On the GS list there is not much talk about them at all. The main problem seems to low battery voltage causing an ABS fault at start up, leaving you with regular non ABS brakes. Riley A15 00 1150 Montreal Ryan Newman wrote:

> > > I have owned one, so I can talk. The newer ABS equipped BMW bikes have > > some > > > *serious* problems. The brakes don't work unless the engine is running. > ....... > > > There is a BMW K12 bike sitting down in my garage next to my KLR, and I > can > > tell you... your information is very wrong. > > My best friend's brother is a euro bike dealer here in Phoenix. He had the > oppertunity to buy out a BMW franchise, but passed on it. He was the one > that informed me about the brake problem with the BMW's. He may have been > refering to the F650's, I'm not sure. But they *have* had that problem with > bikes that have gone into their shop. The mechanic rolls the bike to where > he wants it, and pushes the bike, figuring it'll stop, and it doesn't. It > just keeps rolling right into the wall. This, IS on a bike with working > brakes. The ABS systems have a lot of problems. I've read and heard way too > much about them going wrong to ever buy one. > Ryan > Phoenix > > Checkout Dual Sport News at > http://www.dualsportnews.com > Be part of the Adventure! > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[monahanwb@yahoo.com]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., Riley Harlton wrote: On the GS list there is not > much talk about them at all. The main problem seems to low battery voltage > causing an ABS fault at start up, leaving you with regular non ABS brakes. Yes, and providing you with nice warning that either you need to service your battery or it may be time to buy a new one, before you find out the hard way, out in the sticks some sunny Sunday. It is a great system. If we want to critique brakes, there's always the KLR's anti-lock system to discuss!

[k650dsn@aol.com]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., monahanwb@y... wrote:

> --- In DSN_klr650@y..., k650dsn@a... wrote: > > BMW had to abandon the 36 month unlimited mileage > > warranty when the oil heads came out. Their bikes do not hold up > any > > better than any other bike. > > Not so. The policy was abandoned due to the number of long

distance

> riders and around-the-world tourers who would purchase the bike

with

> the plan to put unlimited miles on the bike in faraway places and > thus require warranty work in difficult to reach places like > Kathmandu, Panama, Chile, Siberia, et cetera. The 36000/3 year > warranty was put in place to discourage this semi-abuse of a > reasonably well-intented warranty policy by BMW Motorcycle

Division.

> It is still a good warranty.

I heard that too and the word I got back from the local BMW shops was that that was the coorporate story. They agree that there was some abuse of the warranty, but nothing that some more fine print in the warranty statement couldn't handle. The dealers and the rep all agreed that the oil heads were not holding up well as the miles rolled by and that service departments were eating big bucks for costly repairs. Gino

[Jim Keal]

CB5-600 or 750 or GS 550? Jim Duluth

>From: jlabate@... >To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [DSN_klr650] NKLR - low seat height >Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 21:31:40 -0000 > >One of my riding buddies is shopping for a bike for his wife - >something with a seat height of around 28" and not too intimidating. >She's ridden a Buell Blast - lots of shaking going on - and hoping to >find an F650 with lowering kit to try - costly. > >Any thoughts on other bikes to consider, something other than a >cruiser? > > > >Checkout Dual Sport News at >http://www.dualsportnews.com >Be part of the Adventure! > >Visit the KLR650 archives at >http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > >Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com >Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com >Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

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