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[JRC]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "piggiwack" wrote:

> Thank you, but mud is the least of my worries because I will mostly be > riding on the street with some gravel. I am looking for a tire what > will last longer than the stock Dunlop, be good on the street and > decent in gravel. >

I'm very pleased with my Dunlop 607's, They are a mostly street tire.

[Arden Kysely]

I'm a big fan of the Conti TKC-80's. They're not cheap, but they last well for me and have good grip both on and off the street. It can be OK to run a different front than rear, but if you want the same kind of grip at both ends, I'd change both tires at the same time. __Arden

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "piggiwack" wrote: > I know this post has been around the block a kazillion times, but I > would like to ask opinions on new tires for mostly street with some > gravel/mud use with longer road trips as well. I'm still running the > stock Dunlops, but my rear tire is almost toast and do people usually > change the front at the same time when going to a different brand? > > Thanks, > > Rob

[Eric L. Green]

On Wed, 4 May 2005, scott quillen wrote:

> I just had them mounted last week, but from the looks > of the Metzeler Tourance, it should be a good > "all-around" tire...believe it's rated 90-10 > (street/dirt). I'm sure someone in the group has used > them awhile and can give an actual report of their > performance (which I'd like to hear myself).

The Metzeler Tourance, for all intents and purposes, is a street tire. It is squirrely on gravel and utterly useless in mud. When my back tire caught a flat, I took the plunge and got real dual-sport tires for my KLR, ones that aren't utterly useless on gravel. I like my Kenda 761's a lot better, they're as good as the Tourance on the road (unless it's wet, in which case the Tourance rocks big time), but have enough chunk to them that they're adequate on gravel (and someone else here noted that they'll even handle a little mud, hmm!). If going to do some real off-roading, but I must ride a couple hundred miles on the highway to get there, I like the Kings KT-966 -- they will handle the twisties with aplomb when aired up to to their max, rear, yet once aired down to around 18psi perform as an adequate off-road tire when you get to the jeep trails, I tractored up some slopes with these things that I was *SURE* couldn't be done by a big top-heavy bike with street-legal tires (but no sand slopes, sorry, you're WAY past what's reasonable and sane to do with this bike clad in these tires there!). The only thing I'll warn you about with the Kings tires is that a) they're rather scary in the wet, and b) if you don't pump them up on the highway to their limit (i.e., far beyond the Kawasaki published air pressures), the front in particular cups like mad (this is true of most dirt-oriented tires with tall soft sidewalls, they require lots of air to handle and work well on the highway). And of course the Kenda 270's are justly famous amongst KLRistas as the cheapest longest-lasting dirt tire that is also usable on the street. There are tires that are better in the dirt, e.g. the Dunlop D606, but their lifespan on the street is horridly short. I don't like the 270's because I spend most of my time on the street (sad to say! But I use my bike as a commuter bike most of the time, not as a dirt bike!), but they are (or at least *were*) the best value on the market. (Alas, now that the government is printing money and the dollar is falling, imports are getting more expensive and the Kendas aren't as cheap as they once were). Note that most of the tires that I've had on my bike have been so-called "value" tires, unlike the Tourances. Both the Kendas and the Kings tires have served me quite well for where and how I ride, though I do NOT want to ride the Kings tires on wet highways again (now *that* is scary! Even the commute home from the office after an unexpected rainshower was a nerve-wracking affair in the wet). These are not by any means the only tires out there that are worth buying. IRC has a tire that is much like the Kenda 270, for example, but that works much better on the highway (but not quite as good offroad and has shorter tire life -- yes, those pesky compromises again). The European manufacturers have a variety of tires that combine good tire life with good traction in situations where the value tires tend to fall down (especially in the wet), though again everything's a compromise. -E

[Thor Lancelot Simon]

On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 10:54:42AM -0700, Eric L. Green wrote:

> On Wed, 4 May 2005, scott quillen wrote: > > I just had them mounted last week, but from the looks > > of the Metzeler Tourance, it should be a good > > "all-around" tire...believe it's rated 90-10 > > (street/dirt). I'm sure someone in the group has used > > them awhile and can give an actual report of their > > performance (which I'd like to hear myself). > > The Metzeler Tourance, for all intents and purposes, is a street tire. It > is squirrely on gravel and utterly useless in mud. When my back tire > caught a flat, I took the plunge and got real dual-sport tires for my KLR, > ones that aren't utterly useless on gravel. I like my Kenda 761's a lot > better, they're as good as the Tourance on the road (unless it's wet, in > which case the Tourance rocks big time), but have enough chunk to them > that they're adequate on gravel (and someone else here noted that they'll > even handle a little mud, hmm!).

I don't know that I'd say that the K761 will "handle" a little mud so much as that, at least, "it's possible to get yourself out of a little mud if you're stupid enough to get into it with K761s on your bike". I have encountered situations involving even not-so-deep mud with Distanzias on my KLR in which the only option was to either drag the bike or wait for the road to dry (the latter on bentonite clay in Wyoming; there was really no possibility of dragging the bike 10 miles to the nearest gravel or hardtop). In similar situations with the Kendas it has been possible, though very unpleasant, to keep the bike upright and in forward progress. I have come to think that what really matters for the ability to tractor the bike out of this kind of mud trouble (as opposed to being able to navigate it comfortably and actually have fun) is not the size of the tread blocks, which will be large on any street-oriented tire, but how much space there is between them and how that space is shaped. The space between the tread blocks on a K761 is significantly greater than that on a Distanzia and has a shape that seems to throw mud better than the shape of the between-blocks space on the Gripster. Contrariwise, the Tourance has a tread pattern that is vaguely similar to that of the K761 but with much _less_ space between the tread blocks. It has a reputation for being quite a poor off-pavement tire and I can't say I'm surprised. I have yet to try them but this line of reasoning is making me think that maybe the TKC80 is the next step in this direction, a reasonably road worthy tire with better mud performance. Is that true?

[j solo]

nice listing noted not many users of B-stones I've now had the Trailwing 41-42s on for about 2.8K miles, of which about 300 miles is offroad. On-road they are predictable and easy to turn in, grip well enough to scrap pegs on a good road surface and do not create any noticeable tire whine or noise. Hold well and again are predictable in the wet/rain and very predictable on 'announcing' their grip limits. In a nutshell, a good road tire, as predictable and rideable as I've come to expect from B-stone sport/sport tour rubber. I'm very happy to have found these for riding the KLR on-road in a brisk and fun manner. Off-road - they have a nice allround pattern. I've ridden them now on a lot of loose surface, a combination of smaller stone (baseball size and smaller) down to very fine clay dust and sand. They are as predictable as can be. The front has enough luggin to not slide much on off-camber stuff and the rear tractors quite well, even on wet sections. Both go thru small water crossings with large rounded boulders, pretty well. I've taken them thru water deep enough to cover about boot-top with the feet on the pegs. Not bad on rain-wet slickrock, a little more 'hairy' on rainwet surface clay. Recently, most of the important fireroads in the area have been 'graded' due to significant erosion channels from the extremely wet winter we've had (Santa Barbara County) and in prep for fire equipment access for the inevitable fire season. This regrading has created a spooky surface of loose smaller rock, sand and clay, about 2 inches thick, over the hardpan and rock surface. Makes for really spooky transitions and turns, especially down a steep grade. And it goes on for miles, usually. Most difficult and tiring stuff I've encountered in some time. Believe I'd rather negotiate frequent rockfall and erosion ditches than continue to ride this the rest of the year. In all, I'm extremely happy with the Trailwing 41 & 42. They are certainly better than my offroad skill level. Opinions are offered here as an easy-going off-roader - can ride most anything short of expert single track, as long as I can do it at my pace; and a competent road rider who prefers a brisk pace in the twisties. js

>From: "Michael Silverstein" >To: "'piggiwack'" ,DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Tires >Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 08:15:12 -0400 > >This might be helpful: >[www.mindspring.com/~mssilverstein/motor ... r650/tires]. > >Mike A18 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of piggiwack > > Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:05 PM > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Tires > > > > > > I know this post has been around the block a kazillion times, > > but I would like to ask opinions on new tires for mostly > > street with some gravel/mud use with longer road trips as > > well. I'm still running the stock Dunlops, but my rear tire > > is almost toast and do people usually change the front at the > > same time when going to a different brand? > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.3 - Release Date: 5/3/2005 > > > > >Archive Quicksearch at: >http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

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[Michael Silverstein]

Thanks. Your comments as well as the others in this thread have been added to the collective.

> -----Original Message----- > From: j solo [mailto:cyclezen@...] > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 3:05 PM > To: msilverstein@...; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Tires > > > nice listing > noted not many users of B-stones > I've now had the Trailwing 41-42s on for about 2.8K miles, of > which about > 300 miles is offroad... >From: "Michael Silverstein" >This might be helpful: >[www.mindspring.com/~mssilverstein/motor ... r650/tires]. >

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[Krgrife@aol.com]

In a message dated 5/4/2005 10:59:55 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ericnospam@... writes: Both the Kendas and the Kings tires have served me quite well for where and how I ride, though I do NOT want to ride the Kings tires on wet highways again (now *that* is scary! Even the commute home from the office after an unexpected rainshower was a nerve-wracking affair in the wet). In January while I was riding back from Southern Baja I did two long days in heavy rain while using the KT966 Kings, didn't notice any problems compared to other tires I have used. It had rained long enough to wash any oil off the asphalt. Kurt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[John Kokola]

I think so. --John Kokola -----Original Message----- From: Thor Lancelot Simon I have yet to try them but this line of reasoning is making me think that maybe the TKC80 is the next step in this direction, a reasonably road worthy tire with better mud performance. Is that true?

[scott quillen]

Eric, Thanks for the feedback on the Tourance - I wouldn't expect it to be any good in the mud - nor would I expect any other "street tire" to be good in the mud. The street is where my KLR will spend most of its time...maybe an occasional fire road or some gravel. I'll heed your warning about the squirreliness in the gravel. Thanks, Scott --- "Eric L. Green" wrote:

> On Wed, 4 May 2005, scott quillen wrote: > > I just had them mounted last week, but from the > looks > > of the Metzeler Tourance, it should be a good > > "all-around" tire...believe it's rated 90-10 > > (street/dirt). I'm sure someone in the group has > used > > them awhile and can give an actual report of their > > performance (which I'd like to hear myself). > > The Metzeler Tourance, for all intents and purposes, > is a street tire. It > is squirrely on gravel and utterly useless in mud. > When my back tire > caught a flat, I took the plunge and got real > dual-sport tires for my KLR, > ones that aren't utterly useless on gravel. I like > my Kenda 761's a lot > better, they're as good as the Tourance on the road > (unless it's wet, in > which case the Tourance rocks big time), but have > enough chunk to them > that they're adequate on gravel (and someone else > here noted that they'll > even handle a little mud, hmm!). > > If going to do some real off-roading, but I must > ride a couple hundred > miles on the highway to get there, I like the Kings > KT-966 -- they will > handle the twisties with aplomb when aired up to to > their max, rear, yet > once aired down to around 18psi perform as an > adequate off-road tire when > you get to the jeep trails, I tractored up some > slopes with these things > that I was *SURE* couldn't be done by a big > top-heavy bike with > street-legal tires (but no sand slopes, sorry, > you're WAY past what's > reasonable and sane to do with this bike clad in > these tires there!). > The only thing I'll warn you about with the Kings > tires is that a) they're > rather scary in the wet, and b) if you don't pump > them up on the highway > to their limit (i.e., far beyond the Kawasaki > published air pressures), > the front in particular cups like mad (this is true > of most dirt-oriented > tires with tall soft sidewalls, they require lots of > air to handle and > work well on the highway). > > And of course the Kenda 270's are justly famous > amongst KLRistas as the > cheapest longest-lasting dirt tire that is also > usable on the street. > There are tires that are better in the dirt, e.g. > the Dunlop D606, but > their lifespan on the street is horridly short. I > don't like the 270's > because I spend most of my time on the street (sad > to say! But I use my > bike as a commuter bike most of the time, not as a > dirt bike!), but they > are (or at least *were*) the best value on the > market. (Alas, now that the > government is printing money and the dollar is > falling, imports are > getting more expensive and the Kendas aren't as > cheap as they once were). > > Note that most of the tires that I've had on my bike > have been so-called > "value" tires, unlike the Tourances. Both the Kendas > and the Kings tires > have served me quite well for where and how I ride, > though I do NOT want > to ride the Kings tires on wet highways again (now > *that* is scary! Even > the commute home from the office after an unexpected > rainshower was a > nerve-wracking affair in the wet). These are not by > any means the only > tires out there that are worth buying. IRC has a > tire that is much like > the Kenda 270, for example, but that works much > better on the highway (but > not quite as good offroad and has shorter tire life > -- yes, those pesky > compromises again). The European manufacturers have > a variety of tires > that combine good tire life with good traction in > situations where the > value tires tend to fall down (especially in the > wet), though again > everything's a compromise. > > -E > > > Archive Quicksearch at: >

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[cosmobojinski]

I too was real happy with the Trailwing 41 42 combo, thought it really suited the personality of the KLR. I went from them to the Dunlop 606 and am now using TKC80s. I think I'll stick with the TKCs, but the Trailwings are a viable option(ok, avoid mud and wet grass) ....cosmo

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "j solo" wrote: > nice listing > noted not many users of B-stones BIG SNIP > > In all, I'm extremely happy with the Trailwing 41 & 42. They are certainly > better than my offroad skill level. Opinions are offered here as an > easy-going off-roader - can ride most anything short of expert single track, > as long as I can do it at my pace; and a competent road rider who prefers a > brisk pace in the twisties. > > js > >