any older klr riders here

[Robert Waters]

Yes, it may be the wheel. I pulled the tire off today and carefully inspected the tube and the wheel. The wheel had a rough place near the valve stem (about 2inches away). But I really don't see how it made holes that looked like a nail hole. Several flats had holes in about the same spot. Maybe I need to get the buffer out and give it a good polishing. Got the new tire today already but the tube was shipped separately, so the KLR is still out of commission. Thanks, rw

--- On Thu, 6/14/12, RobertWichert wrote: From: RobertWichert Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Still having flats on the back tire To: "Robert Waters" Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, judjonzz@... Date: Thursday, June 14, 2012, 7:58 PM It is "possible" for the valve extension rubber to have a "crack" at the base that will not leak unless flexed by something, like riding. Possible. It is also "possible" that the wheel causes these cracks. A sharp spot at this point could be the problem. Could be. YMMV Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 6/14/2012 4:42 AM, Robert Waters wrote: Jud, The first flat had a nail in it. I was not the one that fixed it but was there helping. It was patched and the patch held. The tube was pinched and so there was another flat immediately. It was fixed with a patch and it held. But after a few days it started going flat--all at once. I'd air it up and it would keep doing the same thing. I pulled the tube and could not find any leaks. I even aired the tube up to the size of a foot ball and it stayed up all night. PUt the tube back in and it went flat again. I decided to put a new tube in it and did. Worked fine for a few days but went flat again and will not hold air for more than a few minutes. Have not pulled it yet to see what the problem is. I have not used powder. The last tube was a 17 but smaller size so it could not have lapped. I used tire tools and did not pinch the tube. I have used slime before, when having problems with slow leaks and may go back to that. I'm tired of having flats. The last tube was not extra heavy duty. I have bought heavy duty tubes to stop the slow leaks, but was not satisfied and at more than twice the price one has to wonder if they are worth it. Re: Still having flats on the back tire Posted by: "Jud" judjonzz@... judjonzz Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:51 am (PDT) 1. A sharp spot on the tire? 2. Ditto the rim? 3. Something in your technique or tools? 4. Where does it leak after patching? A new puncture or are the patches failing? Does the puncture occur in the same place relative to the rim each time? Ditto the tire? What are you using for tire levers? Are you using talc on the tube and the rim? I know this can be maddening. I have a bicycle that is doing the same thing, compounded by the fact that it has a full chaincase and is a five-speed Sturmey conversion, meaning it is a pain to pull the wheel, plus there are two cables to readjust each time. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, Robert Waters wrote: > > Hello Rev, > Actually, I have had about 5 flats (that were not just aired up but "fixed") now on that one tire (practically new) and I'm on the 3rd tube. Most of the times when it has gone flat (numerous and I just aired it up) it was not in a secure place, but we don't have many neighbors not anyone that would be suspect to pull tricks like that. Besides, my firt two flats and my next to the last one was while I was on it, or at least had just gotten off for a few minutes but when I got back on to take off it was flat as it could be. This time I got it back home and put a new tube in it. It held up for about 4 days with no sign of a leak. Then, this morning it was so flat the bike fell over. And, when I add air it has such a hole in it that it will not stay up but about 5 minutes. I will NEVER buy another tire of that brand. I have a new tire and tube from Bikebandit on the way. It is a: > SHINKO 5.10-17 which cost me $49.46 and they say it has shipped. So, guess I'll have to ride the DR-350 for a couple more days. Unfortunately, it is jetted for high elevation and is very slow to warm up. > Thanks for the thoughts but I have no clue other than that the tire is jenxed. > rw [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[revmaaatin]

I experienced this very same thing last summer; a persistant slow leak for over two years that finally culminated in a lack of attention to the slow leak, followed by hot-dogging on a gravel road with some other 'older' KLR riders. Low air pressure, slipped the tire slightly and finally cured the slow leaker. I made in an 'immediate' leaker. followed by the discovery that my aircompressor eats 10a fuses, etc. Then for grins, then ate the riding buddies 10a fuse. Just a side bar note: If you are carrying an electirc air compressor to inflate your flat bike tire, make sure it will work/tested on your bike electirc system, and NOT tested on car cig. lighter circuit. 'Yep, it works' is not the right answer if it is tested on the car and not on your bike! Oh, AMHIK. or I will just tell you. I carried that thing around for 5 years, never needed it, used it on the car, back into the tank bag....shrug. Then when I needed it, it laughed at me, the fuse laughed at me, Judd laughed at me, the guy on the other bike did not laugh when it blew his fuse; the list goes on. It is why we carry spare fuses, which by the way, the other guy did NOT have spare fuses, (head scratch) but he did have a very nice aero stich air compressor that pulled less than 10a. It never ceases to amaze me how some things/some situations are not sailor proof. revmaaatin.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, RobertWichert wrote: > > It is "possible" for the valve extension rubber to have a "crack" at the > base that will not leak unless flexed by something, like riding. > > Possible. > > It is also "possible" that the wheel causes these cracks. A sharp spot > at this point could be the problem. Could be. > > > YMMV > > > > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > > > > > =============================================== > > > On 6/14/2012 4:42 AM, Robert Waters wrote: > > > > Jud, > > The first flat had a nail in it. I was not the one that fixed it but > > was there helping. It was patched and the patch held. The tube was > > pinched and so there was another flat immediately. It was fixed with a > > patch and it held. But after a few days it started going flat--all at > > once. I'd air it up and it would keep doing the same thing. I pulled > > the tube and could not find any leaks. I even aired the tube up to > > the size of a foot ball and it stayed up all night. PUt the tube back > > in and it went flat again. I decided to put a new tube in it and > > did. Worked fine for a few days but went flat again and will not hold > > air for more than a few minutes. Have not pulled it yet to see what > > the problem is. I have not used powder. The last tube was a 17 but > > smaller size so it could not have lapped. I used tire tools and did > > not pinch the tube. I have used slime before, when having problems > > with slow leaks and may go back to that. I'm tired > > of having flats. > > > > The last tube was not extra heavy duty. I have bought heavy duty > > tubes to stop the slow leaks, but was not satisfied and at more than > > twice the price one has to wonder if they are worth it. > > > > Re: Still having flats on the back tire > > Posted by: "Jud" judjonzz@... judjonzz > > Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:51 am (PDT) > > 1. A sharp spot on the tire? > > 2. Ditto the rim? > > 3. Something in your technique or tools? > > 4. Where does it leak after patching? A new puncture or are the > > patches failing? > > > > Does the puncture occur in the same place relative to the rim each > > time? Ditto the tire? > > What are you using for tire levers? > > Are you using talc on the tube and the rim? > > > > I know this can be maddening. I have a bicycle that is doing the same > > thing, compounded by the fact that it has a full chaincase and is a > > five-speed Sturmey conversion, meaning it is a pain to pull the wheel, > > plus there are two cables to readjust each time. > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, Robert Waters > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Rev, > > > Actually, I have had about 5 flats (that were not just aired up but > > "fixed") now on that one tire (practically new) and I'm on the 3rd > > tube. Most of the times when it has gone flat (numerous and I just > > aired it up) it was not in a secure place, but we don't have many > > neighbors not anyone that would be suspect to pull tricks like that. > > Besides, my firt two flats and my next to the last one was while I was > > on it, or at least had just gotten off for a few minutes but when I > > got back on to take off it was flat as it could be. This time I got > > it back home and put a new tube in it. It held up for about 4 days > > with no sign of a leak. Then, this morning it was so flat the bike > > fell over. And, when I add air it has such a hole in it that it will > > not stay up but about 5 minutes. I will NEVER buy another tire of > > that brand. I have a new tire and tube from Bikebandit on the way. > > It is a: > > > SHINKO 5.10-17 which cost me $49.46 and they say it has shipped. > > So, guess I'll have to ride the DR-350 for a couple more days. > > Unfortunately, it is jetted for high elevation and is very slow to > > warm up. > > > Thanks for the thoughts but I have no clue other than that the tire > > is jenxed. > > > rw > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Eddie]

I'm buying a circuit breaker. =O eddie

> [Original Message] > From: revmaaatin > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 6/15/2012 1:02:02 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Still having flats on the back tire > > I experienced this very same thing last summer; a persistant slow leak

for over two years that finally culminated in a lack of attention to the slow leak, followed by hot-dogging on a gravel road with some other 'older' KLR riders. Low air pressure, slipped the tire slightly and finally cured the slow leaker. I made in an 'immediate' leaker. followed by the discovery that my aircompressor eats 10a fuses, etc. Then for grins, then ate the riding buddies 10a fuse.

> > Just a side bar note: > If you are carrying an electirc air compressor to inflate your flat bike

tire, make sure it will work/tested on your bike electirc system, and NOT tested on car cig. lighter circuit.

> 'Yep, it works' > is not the right answer if it is tested on the car and not on your bike!

Oh, AMHIK. or I will just tell you.

> I carried that thing around for 5 years, never needed it, used it on the

car, back into the tank bag....shrug. Then when I needed it, it laughed at me, the fuse laughed at me, Judd laughed at me, the guy on the other bike did not laugh when it blew his fuse; the list goes on. It is why we carry spare fuses, which by the way, the other guy did NOT have spare fuses, (head scratch) but he did have a very nice aero stich air compressor that pulled less than 10a.

> > It never ceases to amaze me how some things/some situations are not

sailor proof.

> > revmaaatin.

[Robert Waters]

Well, I have buffed the wheel, yet it is not perfect. I think I'll put some tape on any places that are suspect. I may also add slime. The tire from Bikebandit got here very quickly, but they shipped the tube separately and since I live on a route and UPS sometimes uses USPS, I still don't have my tube.... The tire really looks good. It has more tread than any that I have used. rw Re: Still having flats on the back tire Posted by: "revmaaatin" mjearl4@... revmaaatin Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:02 am (PDT) I experienced this very same thing last summer; a persistant slow leak for over two years that finally culminated in a lack of attention to the slow leak, followed by hot-dogging on a gravel road with some other 'older' KLR riders. Low air pressure, slipped the tire slightly and finally cured the slow leaker. I made in an 'immediate' leaker. followed by the discovery that my aircompressor eats 10a fuses, etc. Then for grins, then ate the riding buddies 10a fuse. Just a side bar note: If you are carrying an electirc air compressor to inflate your flat bike tire, make sure it will work/tested on your bike electirc system, and NOT tested on car cig. lighter circuit. 'Yep, it works' is not the right answer if it is tested on the car and not on your bike! Oh, AMHIK. or I will just tell you. I carried that thing around for 5 years, never needed it, used it on the car, back into the tank bag....shrug. Then when I needed it, it laughed at me, the fuse laughed at me, Judd laughed at me, the guy on the other bike did not laugh when it blew his fuse; the list goes on. It is why we carry spare fuses, which by the way, the other guy did NOT have spare fuses, (head scratch) but he did have a very nice aero stich air compressor that pulled less than 10a. It never ceases to amaze me how some things/some situations are not sailor proof. revmaaatin.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, RobertWichert wrote: > > It is "possible" for the valve extension rubber to have a "crack" at the > base that will not leak unless flexed by something, like riding. > > Possible. > > It is also "possible" that the wheel causes these cracks. A sharp spot > at this point could be the problem. Could be. > > > YMMV [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Stephen North]

A compact bicycle hand pump works (or CO2) very well...., always ready to go, no fuses to blow, doesn't weigh anything, hardly takes up any space. Might take a little longer to inflate but that's a small price to pay in my opinion for the above features. Stitches Afloat LLC 4580 Harbor Road Shelburne Vermont 05482 802-985-9547 www.stitchesafloat.com stitchesafloat@...

[oldwing@cox.net]

---- ed wrote:

> I had a KLR about 10 years ago, when I was a young 47. Loved the bike. 57 now, and wouldn't mind getting another one as a daily commuter, and a weekend forest service road explorer. Older riders chime in. >

I am 59 and have been riding since 1979. 1st bike was a 1976 CB360T which I taught myself to ride (badley). My A16 has 42k miles. -- Bill Lewis Roanoke, Virginia Professor of Motorcycleology 2004 R1150RT 1990 R100RT 2002 KLR Expect The Unexpected

[Jeff Saline]

On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:29:02 -0400 "eddie" writes:

> I'm buying a circuit breaker. =O > eddie

<><><><><> <><><><><> eddie, A few years ago I was told some circuit breakers don't break at the correct amperage. They still reset correctly. Having passed on the warning... I use circuit breakers in my 1975 R90/6 with good results. The wiring is also in very nice shape. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 . . ____________________________________________________________ The New "Skinny" Fruit How This Strange 62-Cent African Fruit Is Making Americans Skinny. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4fdc7ceddbf0855f357st05vuc