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[Mark Harris]

Battery Tender chargers work fine on lithium iron phosphate and confirmed by Shorai Power. Ballistic lithium would be the same. Just no charger that has a desulfanate cycle. Mark in a state that mines lithium.... Nevada! Sent from my iPhone. "You live more in five minutes on a bike like this going flat out than some people live in a lifetime." - Burt Munro - Worlds Fastest Indian. Landsailing at 126.2 mph can be fun!!!!!!!!

[Jeff Khoury]

Maybe it's the GenX'er in me, but you guys keep talking about lithium and all I hear is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkcJEvMcnEg&ob=av2n -Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Harris" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 7:34:51 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: TurnTech LFP battery? Battery Tender chargers work fine on lithium iron phosphate and confirmed by Shorai Power. Ballistic lithium would be the same. Just no charger that has a desulfanate cycle. Mark in a state that mines lithium.... Nevada! Sent from my iPhone. "You live more in five minutes on a bike like this going flat out than some people live in a lifetime." - Burt Munro - Worlds Fastest Indian. Landsailing at 126.2 mph can be fun!!!!!!!!

[Ron Haraseth]

I would guess 15 Pb-eq refers to "lead equivalent". Not all 15 amp/hour batteries are equal. Depending on their design, some are designed to provide 15 amps for an hour or they could be designed to provide 1.5 amps for 10 hours. Both are advertised as a "15 amp/hour" battery. Sound like the lithium batteries will supply a sustained voltage at a very high discharge for starting with less long term lower discharge rate capability. You rarely see the hours discharge base on the ratings for these batteries so look carefully at what they are designed for. I use 2 series connected golf cart 6 volt batteries for my camp trailer. For the long term discharge (and deep discharge capability) they run circles around a standard car 12 volt battery or even two in parallel - even a marine deep cycle 12 volt. -----Original Message----- From: T2M Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 8:06 AM To: 'Fred Hink' ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] TurnTech LFP battery? Fred, I am looking forward to an education. My dialup connection really doesn't do searches well. The link you provided quoted: "Amperage: 15 Pb-eq A/H". What is 15 Pb-eq A/H? Is it really a 15 A/H battery? This is something I notice because the last time I was looking at this from another source they stated that the Battery was only ~2.5 ampere hours but would start the bike fine (high CCA, low steady state drain capacity). It might be an apples and oranges comparison issue. One is stating the actual A/H the other is what to compare it to in a lead acid. -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hink Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:24 PM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com; jwflower53 Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] TurnTech LFP battery? Be careful what you are ordering. A 5ah battery is not nearly powerful enough for your KLR. Ballistic Performance batteries list a battery for the KLR and this would be a 15ah model using 8 cells. The 4 cell battery with 8ah from Ballistic Performance sells for $99. These batteries require a special charger that is not cheap either. ($80) The 8 cell 15ah battery sells for about $160. If you would like to try one of these Lithium Ferrous batteries, let me know. http://www.ballisticparts.com/products/batteries/8cell.php Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: jwflower53 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 9:59 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] TurnTech LFP battery? So, no-load on the old agm battery is 12.6v, but less then than 10v with the headlight on. Maybe that's why the solenoid just rattles when I push the starter button, and stops even doing that within ten seconds, as the headlight dims to nothing. This guy Joe at TurnTech batteries answered my questions promptly and comprehensively. His 5ah Lithium Iron Phophate (LFP) is $110 total. The terminals look pretty strong, they're in the right positions. He says two spare tire tubes would take up the extra space. Six month warranty not very long but he says these batteries are either "stillborn" or last a long time, and offering a shorter warranty helps him keep the price down. $110 is definitely at the low end for this sort of battery. Shall I be the guinea pig, or is there already a guinea pig out there who wants to share? -JWF A13 1981 Honda CB125S 2004 Yamaha TT225 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/app/peoplemap/view/map Group Apps: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/grouplets/subscriptionsYahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------ List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/app/peoplemap/view/map Group Apps: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/grouplets/subscriptionsYahoo! Groups Links

[RobertWichert]

A place to store tubes! I'm thinking that is a huge advantage. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 5/17/2012 3:29 PM, James W. Flower wrote: > > Gee Mark, why didn't I think of that? Actually, there are several > people on this list whose opinions I respect more than some stranger > in a web review, and there's been an ongoing discussion on these > new-fangled batteries that I was thinking to tap into. But FYI, the > random web reviews are overwhelmingly positive in general. -JWF > > On May 17, 2012, at 11:04 AM, mark ward wrote: > > > Google it. (Reveiws) > > > > --- On Thu, 5/17/12, jwflower53 > wrote: > > > > From: jwflower53 > > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] TurnTech LFP battery? > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, May 17, 2012, 3:59 PM > > > > So, no-load on the old agm battery is 12.6v, but less then than 10v > with the headlight on. Maybe that's why the solenoid just rattles when > I push the starter button, and stops even doing that within ten > seconds, as the headlight dims to nothing. > > > > This guy Joe at TurnTech batteries answered my questions promptly > and comprehensively. His 5ah Lithium Iron Phophate (LFP) is $110 > total. The terminals look pretty strong, they're in the right > positions. He says two spare tire tubes would take up the extra space. > Six month warranty not very long but he says these batteries are > either "stillborn" or last a long time, and offering a shorter > warranty helps him keep the price down. $110 is definitely at the low > end for this sort of battery. > > > > Shall I be the guinea pig, or is there already a guinea pig out > there who wants to share? > > -JWF > > A13 > > 1981 Honda CB125S > > 2004 Yamaha TT225 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[James W. Flower]

Hmmm... So I detect a note of sarcasm there? Gee, who wouldn't pay three figures for a tube storage compartment? Actually, I don't like where I put my replacement blade fuses; I may try to relocate them to the extra space. -jwf

On May 18, 2012, at 10:09 AM, RobertWichert wrote: > A place to store tubes! I'm thinking that is a huge advantage. > > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > > > > > =============================================== > > On 5/17/2012 3:29 PM, James W. Flower wrote: >> >> Gee Mark, why didn't I think of that? Actually, there are several people on this list whose opinions I respect more than some stranger in a web review, and there's been an ongoing discussion on these new-fangled batteries that I was thinking to tap into. But FYI, the random web reviews are overwhelmingly positive in general. -JWF >> >> On May 17, 2012, at 11:04 AM, mark ward wrote: >> >> > Google it. (Reveiws) >> > >> > --- On Thu, 5/17/12, jwflower53 wrote: >> > >> > From: jwflower53 >> > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] TurnTech LFP battery? >> > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >> > Date: Thursday, May 17, 2012, 3:59 PM >> > >> > So, no-load on the old agm battery is 12.6v, but less then than 10v with the headlight on. Maybe that's why the solenoid just rattles when I push the starter button, and stops even doing that within ten seconds, as the headlight dims to nothing. >> > >> > This guy Joe at TurnTech batteries answered my questions promptly and comprehensively. His 5ah Lithium Iron Phophate (LFP) is $110 total. The terminals look pretty strong, they're in the right positions. He says two spare tire tubes would take up the extra space. Six month warranty not very long but he says these batteries are either "stillborn" or last a long time, and offering a shorter warranty helps him keep the price down. $110 is definitely at the low end for this sort of battery. >> > >> > Shall I be the guinea pig, or is there already a guinea pig out there who wants to share? >> > -JWF >> > A13 >> > 1981 Honda CB125S >> > 2004 Yamaha TT225 >> > >> > >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]