brake pads?

[Jud]

I don't care what kind of boat you have, a good day for boating is a good day for motorcycling. Which would you rather be doing? That said, the Hobie is a pretty exciting ride if there's enough wind to fly it. In lighter air, an inland lakes scow is faster. As the name implies, these are flat-bottomed hulls. Instead of a centerboard, they have a couple of daggerboards set at 45 from vertical, so the boat is completely at home heeling at 45 . When the lee daggerboard is vertical in the water, the other one is horizontal about 30 inches above the water, the perfect place for an agile crewman to walk out and provide a little ballast. Now there is an exciting ride. My days of doing that are well behind me.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ron Criswell wrote: > > Hobie 16's, the king of small boats. They will fly in strong and moderate wind (and they will move in very light wind when nothing else will). And they are green (er....until their use is over and you have to dispose of them). Very exciting to pitch pole one in 25 mph winds. > > Criswell > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 6, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Tengai Mark Van Horn wrote: > > > That's why my family and I own kayaks. Sure, they're slower, but they > > generally don't depreciate, and you can take them down a shallow > > class 5 rapid. > > > > Mark > > > > At 7:39 AM -0800 1/6/12, RobertWichert wrote: > > Boats are junk. Outboards are disposable aluminum diapers. Inboards > > are cooled by sewage. And everybody who drives a boat drives it at WOT > > 100% of the time. > > > > So, yes, they have a short and difficult life. > > > > NEVER try to rebuild an outboard motor. It is impossible. > > > > Have you ever heard the saying "It's a boat anchor"? Well, you get the > > picture, right? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

Sounds like a post-coital term. Mark At 10:15 AM -0800 1/6/12, Jeff Khoury wrote: Coxswain [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

Oddly, in the past 3 years, I've done way more kayaking than motorcycling, and I now I own 4 boats and only 2 bikes! However, I'm hoping to catch up on 2-wheels this year. Mark At 6:23 PM +0000 1/6/12, Jud wrote: don't care what kind of boat you have, a good day for boating is a good day for motorcycling. Which would you rather be doing? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Bill Kinnison]

Yea, I tried to get into kayaking a couple years ago..... about the time paddleboards got popular. Those things are as bad as any boat. Not cheap, and so much fun I end up doing it a lot. I still have to get to & from work though so the bike will always get some time. -Bill On Jan 6, 2012 11:07 AM, "Tengai Mark Van Horn" wrote:

> ** > > > Oddly, in the past 3 years, I've done way more kayaking than > motorcycling, and I now I own 4 boats and only 2 bikes! > However, I'm hoping to catch up on 2-wheels this year. > > Mark > > At 6:23 PM +0000 1/6/12, Jud wrote: > don't care what kind of boat you have, a good day for boating is a > good day for motorcycling. Which would you rather be doing? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

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[Jeff Saline]

On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 13:41:39 -0000 "Jeffrey" writes:

> A pint...the reservoirs are small. Get a quart if you are > changing types/flushing ie moving up to synthetic. Though > Dot 4 conventional is fine and rec'd. > > I would get a quart just so you can have it around to > bleed/flush the brakes again within 2 years.

<><><><> <><><><> Brake fluid will absorb moisture. Probably not a big issue for some locations but a huge concern for others. Might be best to buy only what you need in the next few months. I mark my brake fluid containers with the date they are opened. I would probably not use brake fluid from a container that was opened two years ago. Might also want to consider NOT switching to synthetic brake fluid in the KLR. I don't ever remember reading or hearing about a switch that resulted in long tern good. I remember reading and hearing about a few that were terribly expensive to correct swollen rubber parts. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 . . ____________________________________________________________ 57 Year Old Looks 27 Local Woman Reveals Wrinkle Secret That Has Doctors Angry. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4f07510ac422911dc848st05vuc

[Jeff Khoury]

That's nautical-speak for boat-driver.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Tengai Mark Van Horn" To: "Jeff Khoury" Cc: "dsn klr650" dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 11:03:58 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - Boats? Sounds like a post-coital term. Mark At 10:15 AM -0800 1/6/12, Jeff Khoury wrote: Coxswain

[Jeff Khoury]

Now that I have a few moments, historically the term "coxswain" (pronounced "COX-sun") comes from two words: cock, short for cockboat (meaning the captain's private launch) and swain, meaning servant. So the Coxswain was the servant who drove the captain's private launch. It's all very phallic, huh? Today, a coxswain is (usually) a petty officer immediately in charge of a small boat and its crew, generally under the direction of the commanding officer of a cutter or small boat station. A small boat (or just "boat") is a non-commissioned vessel (meaning not named, with no commissioning pennant) of a length less than 65'. Those definitions are Coast Guard definitions, the Navy's are similar but I don't think they're identical.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Khoury" To: "Tengai Mark Van Horn" Cc: "dsn klr650" dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 12:05:42 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - Boats? That's nautical-speak for boat-driver. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tengai Mark Van Horn" < tengai650@... > To: "Jeff Khoury" < jeff@... > Cc: "dsn klr650" < dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 11:03:58 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - Boats? Sounds like a post-coital term. Mark At 10:15 AM -0800 1/6/12, Jeff Khoury wrote: Coxswain

[Tony]

Sure kayaks depreciate. I have a 2 seat fiberglass Boreal Designs Beluga (probably one of the best 2-seat touring kayaks on the market) that cost me over $3K, with another 300 in accessories, in very good condition, and I could not get 1.5K for it this past summer. The same boat now retails for over $4K. I've seen 2006+ versions of the same kayak for sale near a big lake (Lake Champlain) sitting on Craigslist for weeks priced at $2K. If you can find a decent used kayak in a private deal, then I'd agree with the limited depreciation statement. But for me they are a lot of fun. I can get to places that are impossible or illegal in a normal boat, and get some exercise at the same time. ________________________________ From: Tengai Mark Van Horn To: RobertWichert Cc: "dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com" dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - Boats? That's why my family and I own kayaks. Sure, they're slower, but they generally don't depreciate, and you can take them down a shallow class 5 rapid. Mark At 7:39 AM -0800 1/6/12, RobertWichert wrote: Boats are junk. Outboards are disposable aluminum diapers. Inboards are cooled by sewage. And everybody who drives a boat drives it at WOT 100% of the time. So, yes, they have a short and difficult life. NEVER try to rebuild an outboard motor. It is impossible. Have you ever heard the saying "It's a boat anchor"? Well, you get the picture, right? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[RobertWichert]

I have two kayaks that I never use, but I'm not selling them either. I bought them used, and I think the statement "generally don't depreciate" is more aligned with a "bought used" kayak. Go into REI some time and you'll see some nice high prices, that the same boat won't get on the used market for sure. But if you buy a used one, even from a dealer, it's pretty much going to hold its value, I think. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 1/6/2012 2:28 PM, Tony wrote: > > Sure kayaks depreciate. I have a 2 seat fiberglass Boreal Designs > Beluga (probably one of the best 2-seat touring kayaks on the market) > that cost me over $3K, with another 300 in accessories, in very good > condition, and I could not get 1.5K for it this past summer. The same > boat now retails for over $4K. > I've seen 2006+ versions of the same kayak for sale near a big lake > (Lake Champlain) sitting on Craigslist for weeks priced at $2K. > > If you can find a decent used kayak in a private deal, then I'd agree > with the limited depreciation statement. > > But for me they are a lot of fun. I can get to places that are > impossible or illegal in a normal boat, and get some exercise at the > same time. > > ________________________________ > From: Tengai Mark Van Horn > > To: RobertWichert > > Cc: "dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com " > dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 11:10 AM > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR - Boats? > > > > That's why my family and I own kayaks. Sure, they're slower, but they > generally don't depreciate, and you can take them down a shallow > class 5 rapid. > > Mark > > At 7:39 AM -0800 1/6/12, RobertWichert wrote: > Boats are junk. Outboards are disposable aluminum diapers. Inboards > are cooled by sewage. And everybody who drives a boat drives it at WOT > 100% of the time. > > So, yes, they have a short and difficult life. > > NEVER try to rebuild an outboard motor. It is impossible. > > Have you ever heard the saying "It's a boat anchor"? Well, you get the > picture, right? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

Closeout is what I'm referring to. You can find end-of-summer deals on new kayaks for %50 off. Use that boat for 3-4 years with minimal carnage to the hull and sell it in the spring for what you paid. Another avenue is to exploit foreign exchange rates. Buy when the dollar is strong, sell when the dollar is weak. And of course, used boats are great for recovering the cash. I once bought a store demo boat that was paddled twice on a class 2 stream for 75% off list, had it for 2 years and sold it for a $50 profit. Mark At 2:52 PM -0800 1/6/12, RobertWichert wrote: I have two kayaks that I never use, but I'm not selling them either. I bought them used, and I think the statement "generally don't depreciate" is more aligned with a "bought used" kayak. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]