restoring project

[mark ward]

Breaking down where you can't repair it? The answer then seems to be VERY SIMPLE, Never ride in to country let alone the woods. What if you have a blowout? ......OH We carry LOTS of tools even SPARE TUBES for tire & chain repairs. Go ahead and call me stupid and say I DESERVE IT. BUT, there have been times I have been siting on the bike a few minutes talking and waiting for others with the engine Off, and stood the bike up while still SITTING and waiting, then start the bike to go, and........OOPS. So while It may be an INCONVENIENCE once in a great while, I'm glad I had it. The first time of the OOPS! was in the 80s, in Sandiego, I had been sitting on the bike, took off getting onto the freeway, a sharp curve came up, as I leaned into it and felt the bike JUMP back up.....WHAT THE!!!!....I tried again, and realized what was up as I crossed the white line coming close to the gaurd rail at 70-75mph I PREFER!!! TO RIDE WITH NO HELMET, BUT!!!! ...........SAFTY, I "Prefer" NO head injuries MORE! .......or bugs etc. in my face. LOL

--- On Wed, 3/9/11, Jeff Khoury wrote: From: Jeff Khoury Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Kick stand safety alternative? To: "fasteddiecopeman" Cc: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 8:48 PM Eddie, This reminds me of: "The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair." -Douglas Adams From: "fasteddiecopeman" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2011 10:11:23 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Kick stand safety alternative? Doug, And the reason to 'get rid of' the KLR safeties, is that experience seems to point out that they WILL fail on you, and probably not at a time and place of your choosing (and where you most likely WON'T have the right tools to get it repaired or removed). Cheers, Ed (who removed his after a buddy was towed about 25 miles out of the woods BECAUSE of a failed safety!) --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , Doug Herr wrote: > > Just throwing this out as a reminder that there *is* a reason that the > kick stand has a safety. > > -- > Doug Herr > A16 in Oakland, California > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jeff Khoury]

Well, what about my scenario with the clutch switch as stated before? Going up a steep and soft hill, the engine bogs and dies. Now, KLR clutch switches are notorious for getting out of adjustment. Do you wanna be trying to find neutral to re-start your bike while simultaneously trying to hold both brakes and balance it? After it happened to me I disabled that SOB as soon as I got home. Do you want to be 20 miles from nowhere, cross a stream and find that your bike conks out for no apparent reason, even if you have someone else with you? Not me. Personally I want my bike to do what I tell it to do. If I'm stupid enough to tell it to go without putting up the side stand, then any crashing that ensues will serve as a reminder not to forget next time. I am, after all, the operator and it should be my responsibility to operate safely. I've always been taught (and I wholeheartedly agree) that one should NEVER, EVER rely on a safety mechanism, whether it be on a bike, a gun or... whatever. Always operate as if the safety interlock did not exist and you can't go wrong. ...at least in my world view. -Jeff Khoury From: "mark ward" To: "fasteddiecopeman" , "Jeff Khoury" Cc: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2011 2:02:43 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Kick stand safety alternative? Breaking down where you can't repair it? The answer then seems to be VERY SIMPLE, Never ride in to country let alone the woods. What if you have a blowout? ......OH We carry LOTS of tools even SPARE TUBES for tire & chain repairs. Go ahead and call me stupid and say I DESERVE IT. BUT, there have been times I have been siting on the bike a few minutes talking and waiting for others with the engine Off, and stood the bike up while still SITTING and waiting, then start the bike to go, and........OOPS. So while It may be an INCONVENIENCE once in a great while, I'm glad I had it. The first time of the OOPS! was in the 80s, in Sandiego, I had been sitting on the bike, took off getting onto the freeway, a sharp curve came up, as I leaned into it and felt the bike JUMP back up.....WHAT THE!!!!....I tried again, and realized what was up as I crossed the white line coming close to the gaurd rail at 70-75mph I PREFER!!! TO RIDE WITH NO HELMET, BUT!!!! ...........SAFTY, I "Prefer" NO head injuries MORE! .......or bugs etc. in my face. LOL

--- On Wed, 3/9/11, Jeff Khoury wrote: From: Jeff Khoury Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Kick stand safety alternative? To: "fasteddiecopeman" Cc: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 8:48 PM Eddie, This reminds me of: "The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair." -Douglas Adams From: "fasteddiecopeman" < fasteddiecopeman@... > To: "DSN KLR650" < DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2011 10:11:23 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Kick stand safety alternative? Doug, And the reason to 'get rid of' the KLR safeties, is that experience seems to point out that they WILL fail on you, and probably not at a time and place of your choosing (and where you most likely WON'T have the right tools to get it repaired or removed). Cheers, Ed (who removed his after a buddy was towed about 25 miles out of the woods BECAUSE of a failed safety!) --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , Doug Herr wrote: > > Just throwing this out as a reminder that there *is* a reason that the > kick stand has a safety. > > -- > Doug Herr > A16 in Oakland, California > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[spike55_bmw]

A local friend of mine that rides his "new" old airhead BMW, spent a bunch of time in a hospital from a big accident, which broke his back. He and his fellow riders that day are unclear on what happen that day but it might have been his sidestand. Maybe in the heat of the moment and not wanting to be left too far behind after a breakfast stop, he may have forgot and a sticky sidestand didn't automatically retract. He finally rode again 2 yrs later. Could have been worse and I think it could easily have been me. Personally, I never had a problem with the clutch lever saftey switch, on either of my current KLRs coming up on 5 yrs, because early on, I disassembled the clutch lever safety switch, lubed it good with dielectric grease. If I would have kept the sidestand safety cable routinely lubed and didn't allow water to freeze inside the cable housing after that one winter ride, I would have saved myself a total of 3 sidestand safety cable hangups in 4 yrs. WD40 saved the day each time and a little heat to thaw the ice. So, I elect to keep my KLR safety switches functional and do that small amount of maintenance. Don R100, A6F

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Khoury wrote: > > Well, what about my scenario with the clutch switch as stated before? > > Going up a steep and soft hill, the engine bogs and dies. Now, KLR clutch switches are notorious for getting out of adjustment. Do you wanna be trying to find neutral to re-start your bike while simultaneously trying to hold both brakes and balance it? After it happened to me I disabled that SOB as soon as I got home. > > Do you want to be 20 miles from nowhere, cross a stream and find that your bike conks out for no apparent reason, even if you have someone else with you? > > Not me. Personally I want my bike to do what I tell it to do. If I'm stupid enough to tell it to go without putting up the side stand, then any crashing that ensues will serve as a reminder not to forget next time. I am, after all, the operator and it should be my responsibility to operate safely. > > I've always been taught (and I wholeheartedly agree) that one should NEVER, EVER rely on a safety mechanism, whether it be on a bike, a gun or... whatever. Always operate as if the safety interlock did not exist and you can't go wrong. > > ...at least in my world view. > > -Jeff Khoury > > > > From: "mark ward" > To: "fasteddiecopeman" , "Jeff Khoury" > Cc: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2011 2:02:43 PM > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Kick stand safety alternative? > > > Breaking down where you can't repair it? > The answer then seems to be VERY SIMPLE, Never ride in to country let alone the woods. > What if you have a blowout? ......OH We carry LOTS of tools even SPARE TUBES for tire & chain repairs. > > Go ahead and call me stupid and say I DESERVE IT. > BUT, there have been times I have been siting on the bike a few minutes talking and waiting for others with the engine Off, and stood the bike up while still SITTING and waiting, then start the bike to go, and........OOPS. > So while It may be an INCONVENIENCE once in a great while, I'm glad I had it. > > The first time of the OOPS! was in the 80s, in Sandiego, I had been sitting on the bike, took off getting onto the freeway, a sharp curve came up, as I leaned into it and felt the bike JUMP back up.....WHAT THE!!!!....I tried again, and realized what was up as I crossed the white line coming close to the gaurd rail at 70-75mph > > I PREFER!!! TO RIDE WITH NO HELMET, BUT!!!! ...........SAFTY, I "Prefer" NO head injuries MORE! .......or bugs etc. in my face. LOL > > --- On Wed, 3/9/11, Jeff Khoury wrote: > > > > From: Jeff Khoury > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Kick stand safety alternative? > To: "fasteddiecopeman" > Cc: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 8:48 PM > > > > > > > Eddie, > > This reminds me of: > > "The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair." -Douglas Adams > > From: "fasteddiecopeman" < fasteddiecopeman@... > > To: "DSN KLR650" < DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2011 10:11:23 AM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Kick stand safety alternative? > > Doug, > And the reason to 'get rid of' the KLR safeties, is that experience seems to point out that they WILL fail on you, and probably not at a time and place of your choosing (and where you most likely WON'T have the right tools to get it repaired or removed). > Cheers, > Ed (who removed his after a buddy was towed about 25 miles out of the woods BECAUSE of a failed safety!) > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , Doug Herr wrote: > > > > > Just throwing this out as a reminder that there *is* a reason that the > > kick stand has a safety. > > > > -- > > Doug Herr > > A16 in Oakland, California > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Andrus]

Today the forks came off , apart, cleaned, reassembled. Ready for oil and seals to be installed now. Pulled the Stem off and it still had lots of grease in there and the bearings looked near new. Just going to clean it all up and re grease. All the plastic and the underside of the gas tank is now forest green. The plastic is in really bad shape but will do for what I want. Tomorrow, Do know if I'm going for a long ride on the Bandit or work on the KLR and put the front together. Heck, probably go ride, I don't have any fork oil in stock anyhow.

[dooden]

Oh like accenting a nice and "SOFT" landing greeted by a stalling engine... Dooden A15 Green Ape

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, RobertWichert wrote: > > Actually, if you know the principle of the safety and can troubleshoot > on the fly, these electrical safeties aren't that hard to defeat with a > pocket knife or less. One thing that I don't like about the kickstand > safety is that it can disable the spark when hitting a bump. That's > kind of crumby if you ask me. > > > Robert P. Wichert P.Eng LEED AP > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > > > > > > > > > =============================================== > > > On 3/9/2011 10:11 AM, fasteddiecopeman wrote: > > > > Doug, > > And the reason to 'get rid of' the KLR safeties, is that experience > > seems to point out that they WILL fail on you, and probably not at a > > time and place of your choosing (and where you most likely WON'T have > > the right tools to get it repaired or removed). > > Cheers, > > Ed (who removed his after a buddy was towed about 25 miles out of the > > woods BECAUSE of a failed safety!) > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > , Doug Herr wrote: > > > > > > > > Just throwing this out as a reminder that there *is* a reason that the > > > kick stand has a safety. > > > > > > -- > > > Doug Herr > > > A16 in Oakland, California > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

On my old "thrash-o-matic" KLR650 woods-beater/insect-fogger, I had installed two stock kickstand springs to prevent a bouncing kickstand. I also has the safety cable removed, but I was annoyed by the bouncing kickstand on rough trails because the sound make me think I was losing parts of my bike. Mark At 10:54 AM -0800 3/9/11, RobertWichert wrote: One thing that I don't like about the kickstand safety is that it can disable the spark when hitting a bump. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]