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[stuart sullivan]

Well after you all knocking K&N i thought I'd better put a plug in for the other side,I've used them for years on everything i own four bikes,two trucks,with no I'll effects as far as i can tell and the air flow is better to me,OEM paper and some foams I've used don't hold up. Like everything in these type of discussions It's Apples & Oranges,some like em some don't and like some of you I've read the pros and cons about the same,so you pays your money and takes your chances and move on,they are used in lots of racing category's to so somebody knows something,my 2 cents. Stu. To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com From: guymanbro@... Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 19:25:52 +0000 Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: K&N Filter Question...

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "nhjim10" wrote: > > I know mileage in the high 30's isn't typical of a KLR. Carb was tuned, with no changes. > Something's definitely wrong with this equation, unless you get high 30s when fully loaded, riding into a headwind, with the throttle WFO. I've managed that kind of mileage in those situations but otherwise, you oughtta be seeing mpg in the 40s at least some of the time. da Vermonster [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[fasteddiecopeman]

I can generally go around 500 kms (300 miles) to empty, and I 'modded' my fuel petcock so that I have about 160 kms (100 miles) once I go on reserve. The longest run I've done between gas station AVAILABILITY is the Dempster Highway, where gas is available at the start, mid-point, and end, so you need a range of about 360 to 375 kms. I believe I went onto reserve prior to the stations, but NOT for many kms! Do you REALLY need MORE gas...? Cheers, Ed

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "nhjim10" wrote: > > I've never run a K&N filter on a street bike for the simple reason that I want a filter that I can easily replace while on the road if I have to. But then again, my filters usually lasts an easy 10k+ miles before needing to be cleaned because I don't run in really dusty conditions, so as long as I washed the K&N before any long rides, it wouldn't be an issue. So here is an idea I just came up with...I want opinions whether I'm crazy, or on to something. > > I happened to be given 3 K&N filters that just happen to fit on the KLR carb. If I used one, I could ditch the stock airbox, leaving a large empty area. In my quest for longer cruising range I want more fuel capacity, so I've been bouncing between modifying the extra stock tank I have (lots of cutting & welding, could end up butch and junk) or getting an IMS and expanding that with the old boiling water and couple PSI of air method we used to use on plastic tanks, which should gain me at least another gallon. > > But I was wondering...I could fab up a clean tank that would fit where the airbox was, and shape it to take advantage of every inch of room, and possibly add 2 gallons of additional capacity. Like any aux. tank, I'd hook it up with an electric pump and valve to transfer the fuel to the main tank. I could even combine this with an expanded IMS tank, and possibly end up with nearly 10 gallons total when I'm done. > > Another thought was to fab (or buy) a small tank to mount under my top box. I could add another Givi mount to the top of the tank so I could quickly add or remove the tank. The downside is that the weight would be up high. Not good when I'm on a long trip and already have a lot of stuff packed on the back. > > Just throwing some thoughts out there. Now that I'm making progress on my bike I'm planning trips and mods. > > Jim >

[RobertWichert]

/Don't get me wrong, I like K&N Filters. /I have run them on my old H1 and it ran lots better, after jet changes, but that was a screamer, not a thumper. I would have no problem running K&N in the stock airbox. Do they fit? Robert P. Wichert P.Eng LEED AP +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 2/20/2011 12:58 PM, stuart sullivan wrote: > Well after you all knocking K&N i thought I'd better put a plug in for the other side,I've used them for years on everything i own four bikes,two trucks,with no I'll effects as far as i can tell and the air flow is better to me,OEM paper and some foams I've used don't hold up. > Like everything in these type of discussions It's Apples& Oranges,some like em some don't and like some of you I've read the pros and cons about the same,so you pays your money and takes your chances and move on,they are used in lots of racing category's to so somebody knows something,my 2 cents. > > Stu. > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > From: guymanbro@... > Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 19:25:52 +0000 > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: K&N Filter Question... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "nhjim10" wrote: > >> I know mileage in the high 30's isn't typical of a KLR. Carb was tuned, with no changes.> > > > Something's definitely wrong with this equation, unless you get high 30s when fully loaded, riding into a headwind, with the throttle WFO. I've managed that kind of mileage in those situations but otherwise, you oughtta be seeing mpg in the 40s at least some of the time. > > > > da Vermonster > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/app/peoplemap/view/map > Group Apps: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/grouplets/subscriptionsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[cycletip]

Agree with Robert on this. Not to say there's not more power or filter options. But then you're open to dealing with lots of variables. Intake "honk" can drive you crazy with pod style filters. With regards to fuel, mileage and wanting more.... The KLR has some long legs IMO. One of the major appeals to using it as a dual sport bike. Everyone has different needs & wants however. BMW F800GS has changed the fuel paradigm of off road bikes. Think there's been others also. Heck, even the ol Honda Trail 90's had under seat fuel tanks

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, RobertWichert wrote: > > I have been told that airboxes are actually designed, not just thrown in > there, as in, the volume makes a difference to performance. Has anybody > ever done any dyno runs with and without the airbox (rejetting, of > course). My "guess" is that the stock airbox helps lower RPM torque. > > > Robert P. Wichert P.Eng LEED AP > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068

[mark ward]

WAAAAAY BACK, from mid 60's to 90+-, My step father owned 2 stock cars and sponsored 3 others. (average each year) many would take the air filter out completly, or use thinner Racing filters, when I asked about protecting the engine from dirt, it was explianed, WE WANT SPEED & POWER, NOT mileage, we don't keep the engines long enough to worry about the damage. SO thinner filters or none to alow more air, ALSO alows more DIRT. How long do you want your engine to rune trouble free??

--- On Tue, 2/22/11, cycletip wrote: From: cycletip Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: K&N Filter Question... To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 4:26 PM Agree with Robert on this. Not to say there's not more power or filter options. But then you're open to dealing with lots of variables. Intake "honk" can drive you crazy with pod style filters. With regards to fuel, mileage and wanting more.... The KLR has some long legs IMO. One of the major appeals to using it as a dual sport bike. Everyone has different needs & wants however. BMW F800GS has changed the fuel paradigm of off road bikes. Think there's been others also. Heck, even the ol Honda Trail 90's had under seat fuel tanks --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, RobertWichert wrote: > > I have been told that airboxes are actually designed, not just thrown in > there, as in, the volume makes a difference to performance. Has anybody > ever done any dyno runs with and without the airbox (rejetting, of > course). My "guess" is that the stock airbox helps lower RPM torque. > > > Robert P. Wichert P.Eng LEED AP > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[cycletip]

I'm 100% in favor of the stock set-up. If you look at that air box there's a lot to it. Last time out upon cleaning the filter I noticed a trace of dirt in the intake. Not good. Found the crank case breather hose was pulled loose. Probably from trying to connect the battery tender it pulled off the box. Anyway, noticed bunch of deceleration popping and knew something was up. Sure enough. Just hope I didn't do too much damage. It was couple hundred miles of desert. If you look at where the crank case hose is connected its a maze of nooks and carnies inside. Unfortunately for me the hose connects on the clean side of the filter. That bites! BTW - I worked for a national brand filter company for 18 years. Good filtration can't be underestimated. Much of my business was centered around heavy equipment which included ag and mine applications. Learned a lot about protecting expensive engines.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, mark ward wrote: > > WAAAAAY BACK, from mid 60's to 90+-, My step father owned 2 stock cars and sponsored 3 others. (average each year) many would take the air filter out completly, or use thinner Racing filters, when I asked about protecting the engine from dirt, it was explianed, WE WANT SPEED & POWER, NOT mileage, we don't keep the engines long enough to worry about the damage. > > SO thinner filters or none to alow more air, ALSO alows more DIRT. > How long do you want your engine to rune trouble free?? > > --- On Tue, 2/22/11, cycletip wrote: > > > From: cycletip > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: K&N Filter Question... > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 4:26 PM > > > > > > > Agree with Robert on this. Not to say there's not more power or filter options. But then you're open to dealing with lots of variables. Intake "honk" can drive you crazy with pod style filters. > > With regards to fuel, mileage and wanting more.... The KLR has some long legs IMO. One of the major appeals to using it as a dual sport bike. Everyone has different needs & wants however. BMW F800GS has changed the fuel paradigm of off road bikes. Think there's been others also. Heck, even the ol Honda Trail 90's had under seat fuel tanks > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, RobertWichert wrote: > > > > I have been told that airboxes are actually designed, not just thrown in > > there, as in, the volume makes a difference to performance. Has anybody > > ever done any dyno runs with and without the airbox (rejetting, of > > course). My "guess" is that the stock airbox helps lower RPM torque. > > > > > > Robert P. Wichert P.Eng LEED AP > > +1 916 966 9060 > > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "cycletip" wrote:

> > I'm 100% in favor of the stock set-up. If you look at that air box there's a lot to it. Last time out upon cleaning the filter I noticed a trace of dirt in the intake. Not good.

Cycletip-- Q. for you-in your professional, considered opinion: I use a NoToil filter system; when I clean the filter, I also wash out the inside of the airbox with the cleaning agent and purge the drain line. Just thinking outloud: Is there anything to be gained by wiping out the inside of the air box with sticky filter oil to trap more dirt? Or is it best for that to be clean/smooth as possible, etc? revmaaatin.

[Eddie]

Rev, I'm am amateur myself. I've wondered about a film of oil in the airbox,too. Don't see where it could hurt, really. As long as you don't mind wiping it clean every now & then. =) eddie

> [Original Message] > From: revmaaatin > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 2/23/2011 11:06:05 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: K&N Filter Question... > > > Q. for you-in your professional, considered opinion: > I use a NoToil filter system; when I clean the filter, I also wash out

the inside of the airbox with the cleaning agent and purge the drain line.

> > Just thinking outloud: Is there anything to be gained by wiping out the

inside of the air box with sticky filter oil to trap more dirt?

> Or is it best for that to be clean/smooth as possible, etc? > > revmaaatin. >

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie Y" wrote:

> > Hoecakes were originally cooked by slaves on a hoe, which was straight and > flat in them days not the rightangle jobbies they have now. > You ~can~ use WD-40 to cook 'em , but silicon tastes a little better > when you're completely out of budder, bearfat, bacongrease, goosegrease, > crisco, porpoisepus, seallblubber, vaseline, and EVOO.

Chas.-- You fun-in us? I somehow doubt that you had hoe cakes using all 11 of those lubricants. Ten of them I might believe, but all 11? smirk. revmaaatin.