klr650 ----> fred hink <------

[Bogdan Swider]

> > > Although your bike with 70K on it runs well, I bet if you did a total rebuild > of the carb you'd notice improved fuel economy and performance too. >

Oh boy.....In the last few years I ve been too busy to screw around with my bike as much as I used to. Still if I find the time, I just might put your statement to the test. Bogdan, who often doesn t leave well enough alone [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[rockiedog2]

Guys Thanks for all the replies. Lots of good info there. Friend Jack rode his KLR to Argentina a couple years ago, and even tho it seemed to be in top shape when he left, it started using a quart every 300 miles enroute. Major problem. In my reading previous to this post I noticed a large variation in reported engine life, and that seems to be confirmed in the replies here. If I can actually put this trip together, I think I will look at installing this 685 kit early enough to see what i actually have before leaving. Thanks again Joe --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "rockiedog2" wrote:

> > I'm wondering about something that I know you old timer KLR guys

will

> know about... > I am in the thinking/preliminary planning stages for a 15000-16000

mile

> remote area(TDF)trip on my 2006 KLR650 this fall. It currently has > 25000 miles. I am wondering at about what mileage do these things

start

> getting weak/burning oil...I am thinking about having the topend > (rings,valves,guides etc) done before leaving. It is currently

running

> great and doesn't use any oil as long as it's changed about every

2500

> miles or so. I'm not a maintenance fanatic and it has had

reasonable

> maintenance but mostly has had the hell run out of it. I have put

all

> the miles on it so I know its history...no problems there. I am a > little concerned that it will start laying down on me before I get > back...gulping oil or somesuch...the main priority is to do all

that I

> can to get it as reliable as possible before leaving. I have utmost > confidence in my mech. I am cheap but the money is really secondary. > What do you high mileage veterans think? Is this overkill or a good > idea or what? > Thanks > Joe >

[Arden Kysely]

I'd make sure the doohickey has been replaced, adjust the valves to the looooose side of the spec and wander on down the road. I sold one KLR with 40k miles and another with 37k and neither needed any top end work. __Arden --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "rockiedog2" wrote:

> > I'm wondering about something that I know you old timer KLR guys

will

> know about... > I am in the thinking/preliminary planning stages for a 15000-16000

mile

> remote area(TDF)trip on my 2006 KLR650 this fall. It currently has > 25000 miles. I am wondering at about what mileage do these things

start

> getting weak/burning oil...I am thinking about having the topend > (rings,valves,guides etc) done before leaving. It is currently

running

> great and doesn't use any oil as long as it's changed about every

2500

> miles or so. I'm not a maintenance fanatic and it has had

reasonable

> maintenance but mostly has had the hell run out of it. I have put

all

> the miles on it so I know its history...no problems there. I am a > little concerned that it will start laying down on me before I get > back...gulping oil or somesuch...the main priority is to do all

that I

> can to get it as reliable as possible before leaving. I have utmost > confidence in my mech. I am cheap but the money is really secondary. > What do you high mileage veterans think? Is this overkill or a good > idea or what? > Thanks > Joe >

[Bogdan Swider]

> > If I can actually put this trip together, I think I will look at > installing this 685 kit early enough to see what i actually have > before leaving. > Thanks again > Joe >

What s the word on gas mileage after going 685, anybody know? Also anybody have actual dyno numbers? Bogdan, curious in Colorado [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Bogdan Swider]

On 2/17/09 8:28 PM, "rockiedog2" wrote:

> > > > Guys > Thanks for all the replies. Lots of good info there.

One more thing....I don t think anyone mentioned the reusable oil filter-a must for extended trips south of the border. Bogdan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[fasteddiecopeman]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Arden Kysely" wrote:

> > I'd make sure the doohickey has been replaced, adjust the valves to > the looooose side of the spec and wander on down the road. I sold one > KLR with 40k miles and another with 37k and neither needed any top > end work. > > __Arden >

What Arden said, PLUS I'd run it on synthetic oil (Mobil 1), and ensure the swingarm and wheel bearings were full of fresh grease. Have a GREAT ride! Ed

[John Biccum]

Hi Bogdan I have the first 685 on the road (New Year s Eve, 2005) . I see about 45 mpg overall, about 5 mpg worse than I saw stock. Here are the dyno reports: http://johnbiccum.smugmug.com/gallery/1198525_UFLYW#87767369_AGnfu . The blue run is with the 685 and stock valves, the red run is with the 685 and the oversize valves. Ignore the Air/Fuel ratio readings, they are spurious, I could not get the A/F sensor past the spark arrestor to get a valid reading. I never had a reason to dyno the stock bike but I think that about 34 hp is typical for a stocker. My 685 has about 17K miles on the 685 kit and about 12K miles on the oversize valves. It has been trouble free and has not burned any oil. With the stocker I always burned a little at higher speeds. The KLR does pout a little though when I ride other bikes though, my WeeStrom gets most of the miles these days but I just put 1500 miles on the KLR in Death Valley a couple of weeks ago see http://johnbiccum.smugmug.com/gallery/7312207_7H2KT#470302604_nujeh . It s still THE bike that I would own if I had to get down to just one. I m delighted with the 685 overall. I used to say that I was too cheap to tear into a well-running bike to put in the overbore (I cracked my stock piston so had to get into the engine). But now I am not so sure that I would not tear into a well-running bike if it was in the middle of the winter in oh say Colorado and I was not riding it anyway J From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bogdan Swider Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 06:45 To: rockiedog2; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Hmmmm...

> > If I can actually put this trip together, I think I will look at > installing this 685 kit early enough to see what i actually have > before leaving. > Thanks again > Joe >

What s the word on gas mileage after going 685, anybody know? Also anybody have actual dyno numbers? Bogdan, curious in Colorado [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Ron and Brenda Moorhouse]

Really interested in your trip. My Brother and Cousin are planning to go soon, before it gets too hot. We have a bunch of literature. Did you have planned routes or just explored. Was the rocky road where you were off bikes toughest section and was this isolated case. Looking for some challenges but,....................mostly site seeing. GPS routes or tracks available! Any insight will be greatly appreciated. I imagine others would be interested too! We will be able to get away for long enough for maybe 500 smiles this time. Best parts, in your opinion, out of your 1500 miles would also be appreciated. Nice pics. Thanks! Ron Moorhouse Modesto, CA ________________________________ From: John Biccum To: Bogdan Swider Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:37:42 AM Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Hmmmm... Hi Bogdan I have the first 685 on the road (New Year s Eve, 2005) . I see about 45 mpg overall, about 5 mpg worse than I saw stock. Here are the dyno reports: http://johnbiccum. smugmug.com/ gallery/1198525_ UFLYW#87767369_ AGnfu . The blue run is with the 685 and stock valves, the red run is with the 685 and the oversize valves. Ignore the Air/Fuel ratio readings, they are spurious, I could not get the A/F sensor past the spark arrestor to get a valid reading. I never had a reason to dyno the stock bike but I think that about 34 hp is typical for a stocker. My 685 has about 17K miles on the 685 kit and about 12K miles on the oversize valves. It has been trouble free and has not burned any oil. With the stocker I always burned a little at higher speeds. The KLR does pout a little though when I ride other bikes though, my WeeStrom gets most of the miles these days but I just put 1500 miles on the KLR in Death Valley a couple of weeks ago see http://johnbiccum. smugmug.com/ gallery/7312207_ 7H2KT#470302604_ nujeh . It s still THE bike that I would own if I had to get down to just one. I m delighted with the 685 overall. I used to say that I was too cheap to tear into a well-running bike to put in the overbore (I cracked my stock piston so had to get into the engine). But now I am not so sure that I would not tear into a well-running bike if it was in the middle of the winter in oh say Colorado and I was not riding it anyway J From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Bogdan Swider Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 06:45 To: rockiedog2; DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Hmmmm...

> > If I can actually put this trip together, I think I will look at > installing this 685 kit early enough to see what i actually have > before leaving. > Thanks again > Joe >

What s the word on gas mileage after going 685, anybody know? Also anybody have actual dyno numbers? Bogdan, curious in Colorado [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[rockiedog2]

John I see where you lost about 5mpg. Was that with the head work as well as the bore increase? I dont care about increased power, just reliability/smoothness but am not really willing to sacrifice much range at all for that. I was thinking of doing only the piston upgrade w/o the head work in hopes of not losing much if any mpg. 5 mpg is a deal breaker for me. I think it was Jeff who said he didnt think the mpg suffered with just the increased displacement...can you/anybody confirm this? I realize that increased displacement requires increased fuel, generally, but am in hopes that is offset by increased efficiency/smoothness, etc Thanks everybody Joe --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "John Biccum" wrote:

> > Hi Bogdan > > > > I have the first 685 on the road (New Year's Eve, 2005) . I see

about 45

> mpg overall, about 5 mpg worse than I saw stock. > > > > Here are the dyno reports: >

http://johnbiccum.smugmug.com/gallery/1198525_UFLYW#87767369_AGnfu . The

> blue run is with the 685 and stock valves, the red run is with the

685 and

> the oversize valves. Ignore the Air/Fuel ratio readings, they are

spurious,

> I could not get the A/F sensor past the spark arrestor to get a

valid

> reading. I never had a reason to dyno the stock bike but I think

that about

> 34 hp is typical for a stocker. > > > > My 685 has about 17K miles on the 685 kit and about 12K miles on the > oversize valves. It has been trouble free and has not burned any

oil. With

> the stocker I always burned a little at higher speeds. The KLR

does pout a

> little though when I ride other bikes though, my WeeStrom gets most

of the

> miles these days but I just put 1500 miles on the KLR in Death

Valley a

> couple of weeks ago see >

http://johnbiccum.smugmug.com/gallery/7312207_7H2KT#470302604_nujeh . It's

> still THE bike that I would own if I had to get down to just one. > > > > I'm delighted with the 685 overall. I used to say that I was too

cheap to

> tear into a well-running bike to put in the overbore (I cracked my

stock

> piston so had to get into the engine). But now I am not so sure

that I

> would not tear into a well-running bike if it was in the middle of

the

> winter in oh say Colorado and I was not riding it anyway J > > > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On

> Behalf Of Bogdan Swider > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 06:45 > To: rockiedog2; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Hmmmm... > > > > > > > If I can actually put this trip together, I think I will look at > > installing this 685 kit early enough to see what i actually have > > before leaving. > > Thanks again > > Joe > > > What s the word on gas mileage after going 685, anybody know? Also

anybody

> have actual dyno numbers? > > Bogdan, curious in Colorado > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[CA Stu]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Bogdan Swider wrote:

> > > > > If I can actually put this trip together, I think I will look at > > installing this 685 kit early enough to see what i actually have > > before leaving. > > Thanks again > > Joe > > > What s the word on gas mileage after going 685, anybody know? Also

anybody

> have actual dyno numbers? > > Bogdan, bi-curious in Colorado > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Bogdan, check out http://www.patmanracing.com/klrdyno.htm I reckon it's the most complete page on the web for KLR dyno info. I don't think I have seen a loss in mpg with my 685 kit. If I have, I'm sure it's due to heavy handed throttle control. It's a good mod, I reckon. Thanks CA Stu