tijuana killings may signal downfall of arellano felix cartel lights

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revmaaatin
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fork seal blown.

Post by revmaaatin » Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:36 pm

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "boulder_adv_rider" wrote:
> > Revmaaatin - Where is the love for the aftermarket? I'm still > attempting to return to nature my new MSR seals. So far nearly 10k > smiles and all systems go. > > As for pressure washing the fork internals. I can't recommend this > to viewers. You'll never displace all the water especially vapor. > Far better to flush with fork oil for a tiny incremental cost.
Once
> you drain them and pump some fresh thru, it's clean enough. > > For the record, the dive of death (a big granite drop in an > undisclosed location in the Rockies) that destroyed one of my front > OEM seals did nothing to my new seals. If I recall, you've had a > fork brace on your KLR which I can almost guarantee accelerated the > demise of your oil and seals. We're not talking grassy knolls > conspiracy theories here. I just pointed the following to a buddy > who has a brace on his. I'd never used or seen one before but my > uncanny attention to detail of his predicts bad juju. > > If you look at the force brace installed, you had to force-up the > bottom of das boots to get the brace to fit. In doing this you > reposition the (holes) drain ports from the fork receiver up onto
the
> tubes themselves. (eh hum) Crap is now going directly in and onto > the tubes and compromising your seals and oil. For extremers and
off-
> roaders, unprotected fork tubes is bad juju and explains the fork > julius you were surprised to find. This is how important these
boots
> are to prevent contamination and why the manufacturer puts hose > clamps at the top of das boots. > > Reinstall some MSRs and re-seal the deal. Provided the integrity
of
> the das boots isn't compromised, you're very unlikely to see this > happen again. > > Brian > > ps - Did you get my response to your gumbo mud destination post? I > didn't forget you 'in the Valley.' Actually I thought I had a
clever
> response to you. Anyhoooo, that remaining 1% mostly represents
those
> that let it sit in the garage. >
Yes Brian, I did see your clever response. Imagine my surprise: Didn't you see me smile? I saw Jeff's comment/response about washing the fork parts; as he correctly stated, I only washed the cast aluminum lower leg--the crap was not coming out without some blasting. Was that overkill. shrug. who knows. Clean has to be better. But your concern is equally appreciated. Your comments about the drain holes in the boots is worthy of further inspection. Unfortunately, I live in a state where electricity is piped in on even numbered days, so I will have to wait until tomorrow morning to have light stronger than the LED flashlight to validate your premise. Meanwhile, the forkbrace is setting on the bench...but it does work so well for canyon carving. On a fair/balanced comparison note: 1. what makes the MSR seal better than OEM? 2. how much abuse did your OEM seal have before it took the granite death drop? 3. How new was the MSR seal when you took the granite death drop? 4. Do you do a complete fork rebuild, or at least cleansing when you replace a seal, or just pop out the old and push in the new. I figured at 31K smiles, it deserved a complete cleaning. and it did. Did the previous owner do a full enema? shrug. did not look like it to me. IRT to dirty fork oil-- Extensive previous discussions here have suggested the foul fork oil purged from the forks is more a result of aluminum breaking down in the lower fork receiver; the cure was to have the lower fork leg anodized. (or at least that is my understanding of such--as written by some of the knowledgeable folks in the left coast society.) All that said, I also believe your das boot suggestion/connection has equal merit. anodizing a fork leg?!?!?!: some would say is extreme--and so I thought--until you take it apart and see for yourself. The suggestion has some merit. (as well as changing your fork oil: OFTEN!) For someone that only rides his bike

Jud Jones
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fork seal blown.

Post by Jud Jones » Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:16 pm

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Saline wrote:
>> > Brian, > > The forks were totally apart when Martin used the pressure washer to > clean the inside of the sliders. It worked well. No worries about > trapped vapor. I think the inside was also dried with compressed air and > a clean rag on a stick. > > For the cost of OEM fork seals I'll stay with them. Mine are still good > at 27,000 plus smiles. > > I think the fork brace may have contributed to the leaks but nobody will > ever know for sure. Martin didn't reinstall it when finished with the > forks. He was hoping to decide after a bit of riding if he'd put it back > on or not. I'm betting he doesn't. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline
I would not be too quick to blame blown fork seals on a fork brace. My KLR has the original seals in place with 43,000 miles on the odo. Another two or three thousand miles failed to register while the odo was out of order. I put a Summers brace on the bike at 5000mi. Just one data point, and another vote for OEM seals.

boulder_adv_rider
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fork seal blown.

Post by boulder_adv_rider » Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:37 pm

Revmaaatin - here I thought you were slippin. :)
> On a fair/balanced comparison note: > 1. what makes the MSR seal better than OEM?
Rumor has it Fred blessed several sets around my vintage. For others, I'd request some support to the assertion "better." Often I'm a victim of marketing but so far so good.
> 2. how much abuse did your OEM seal have before it took the granite > death drop?
Well over 10k smiles that included a bent rear shock--ultimately replaced with the LR HD Progressive gift pack (front and rear). Mostly sand and sun and occassional mud including a gumbo variety of the ALCAN Highway. The seals were worn like a used mule but only the right started leaking a few days after the drop.
> 3. How new was the MSR seal when you took the granite death drop?
They were new.
> 4. Do you do a complete fork rebuild, or at least cleansing when
you replace a seal, or just pop out the old and push in the new. I drained, flushed and hung dry over-night. Next day I installed the new seals and wipers and fresh fork oil. I cleaned the upper tube with alcohol and then applied some oil to the tube to prevent stiction. I'll probably change the oil around 12k miles vs. 18k recommended this first time just to note how the seals are doing. I think the aluminum does contaminate the oil to a degree, but I'm not sure it affects performance. Anodizing? Donno. I'm not doing it. No doubt the das boots are critical. Even for road riders the general grit from the road can contaminate as fast as light duty off- road. To your last point, I can't tell you how much I appreciate the armoring including the plastic tank. Dirt naps and tip-overs happen. It's a good feeling knowing I can push my KLR over in the parking lot and pick it up without worrying. Although it has ripped my 2610 GPS from it's mount (never good). Originally, this is why I bought the KLR vs. BMW. All-in you're under $10k with a reliable, bomber ride. With KTM and BMW, you start here. Brian

boulder_adv_rider
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fork seal blown.

Post by boulder_adv_rider » Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:11 am

I'm not blaming the fork brace. If anything it's the dislocation of the boot. A lot of people seem to like the fork brace, so such a concern might be moot. Admittedly, I am not the expert on fork braces...just broken collar bones when rocks get jammed in tight places...in foreign countries...in the middle of nowhere.
> I would not be too quick to blame blown fork seals on a fork brace.
My KLR has the
> original seals in place with 43,000 miles on the odo. Another two or
three thousand miles
> failed to register while the odo was out of order. I put a Summers
brace on the bike at
> 5000mi. Just one data point, and another vote for OEM seals. >

martin glazer
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tijuana killings may signal downfall of arellano felix cartel lights

Post by martin glazer » Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:03 am

Tijuana killings may signal downfall of Arellano Felix cartel Lights Guillermo Arias / Associated Press State police officers investigate the scene of a shoot-out between drug gangs in Tijuana, Mexico, Saturday, Oct. 4. With dozens of bodies found in the last week, some in law enforcement see 'the tail end' of the organization. But others warn that elements of the ruthless cartel remain very much alive. By Richard Marosi, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer 8:10 PM PDT, October 5, 2008 TIJUANA -- The birthplace of one of Mexico's most infamous drug cartels looks more and more like its graveyard. Gunmen and associates of the Arellano Felix cartel, rulers of the city's criminal underworld for two decades, are being massacred by the score. Their mangled bodies turn up in garbage-strewn lots, a dozen at a time. Killers cut out their tongues, slice off heads, and leave behind taunting messages. Two barrels of industrial acid left on a sidewalk last week are believed to contain liquefied human remains. In all, at least 57 suspected organized crime members, a majority of them believed to be part of the Arellano Felix organization, were killed in the last week, including 12 dumped in front of an elementary school Sept. 29 and eight tossed in an industrial yard Thursday. The carnage may be a sign that the cartel named for the Arellano Felix brothers is fractured and vulnerable to contenders, inside and outside the organization, who are looking to get control of lucrative trafficking routes into the United States, according to law enforcement sources. Several forces have converged on the trafficking organization. The U.S. government has dedicated tens of millions of dollars over two decades combating trafficking over the border with Baja California. The Mexican government also has intensified its efforts aimed at the cartel, which has splintered. Rival cartels have attacked, announcing their arrival with the savage killings and banners unfurled across busy intersections. "El Mayo and El Chapo are the ones trying to enter Tijuana," read one banner, referring to alleged trafficker Ismael Zambada, and Mexico's most-wanted man, Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, leader of the Sinaloa cartel. "We are now seeing the tail end" of the Arellano Felix organization, said John Kirby, a former federal prosecutor in San Diego who co-wrote indictments against several members of the organization. "They're losing what was left of their grip on Baja California." Not so fast, others warn. Elements of the organization, which earned its ruthless reputation by turning back all challengers, remain very much alive. Some of its deadliest assassins still roam the region. Its reputed leader, Fernando Sanchez Arellano, nicknamed El Ingeniero, a nephew of the group's founders, is believed to have a large war chest. The organization retains strong ties to law enforcement. And a contender for control has emerged from within the Arellano Felix organization. "Old cartels don't seem to go away; they just seem to morph into new variants over time," said David Shirk, director of the Trans-Border Institute at the University of San Diego. "There's strong continuity for these organizations, dating back multiple generations of smugglers." The cartel came to power in the 1980s when Colombian cocaine barons, shut out of traditional trafficking routes across the Caribbean Sea into Florida, began partnering with Mexican crime groups. The Arellano Felix brothers -- Benjamin, Ramon, Javier -- moved in from Sinaloa and provided the perfect springboard. From their Tijuana stronghold, they controlled trafficking routes into California, the biggest drug market in a country that is the biggest consumer of cocaine in the world. By the 1990s, the brothers were smuggling tons of cocaine into the U.S., mostly through the crossing at Mexicali, and killing anyone in their way. Authorities believe they killed hundreds, including prosecutors, police and judges. The cartel suffered its biggest blows in 2002, when Ramon was gunned down by police in Mazatlan. With the feared enforcer out of the way, Mexican authorities weeks later arrested his brother Benjamin, the reputed brains of the organization. Javier, often likened by authorities to the inept Fredo Corleone of "The Godfather" film clan, managed to keep the cartel together with the help of brutal and loyal lieutenants. But after his 2006 arrest on a boat off Baja California, one associate after another began to fall. Gustavo Rivera, an alleged top lieutenant, was arrested outside a hot dog stand in Cabo San Lucas in March. Days later, Saul Montes, identified by authorities as an enforcer, was pulled out of his car by police at the Baja 250 off-road race. In August, another reputed enforcer, Ruben Rios Estrada, nicknamed El Pit, was dragged away from the bingo tables at a local casino by federal agents. The cartel's leadership is said to have passed to Sanchez Arellano, the son of an Arellano Felix sister. Not much is known about Sanchez Arellano and it's unclear whether Mexican authorities even know what he looks like. They have not released a photograph, as they commonly do for drug suspects. Sanchez Arellano's attempts at reviving the family legacy have been blocked by his chief rival, Teodoro Garcia Simental, nicknamed El Teo, a former cartel lieutenant who broke off earlier this year, according to law enforcement authorities. Garcia often is blamed for the spree of abductions over the last few years, which have turned the city into one of the kidnapping capitals of the world. By April, the medical community, led by physicians who had been held for ransom, was threatening to stop treating patients in Tijuana. Sanchez Arellano demanded a halt or cutback in the kidnappings because they were bringing down too much heat on the organization, according to Mexican media reports confirmed by Mexican law enforcement authorities. Garcia allegedly refused, leading to an April gun battle between the rival groups that left 15 gunmen dead. Garcia fled to Sinaloa after the shooting. Tijuana enjoyed a relatively peaceful early summer. Then in late August, four decapitated bodies were found in an empty lot. Their heads, charred from gasoline burns, were left at their feet, along with a message, "We are people of the weakened Engineer," referring to Sanchez Arellano. Since then, Tijuana has turned into a killing field of burned, decapitated and mangled bodies, many bearing similar messages. "I think Teo's back, with a vengeance," said one U.S. federal anti-drug official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to speak with the media. Garcia's fierce offensive suggests that he has formed alliances with outside organized crime groups, possibly the Sinaloa cartel. The powerful Gulf cartel also could be operating in the city, said Martin Rubio, the Mexican federal attorney general's top official in Baja California, who said the beheadings were the telltale signatures of the Texas-based organization. The main battle for now appears to be between the cartel leader and the renegade lieutenant. Sanchez Arellano is said to control the coastal area; Garcia, the sprawling eastern part of the city. Each leader has an army of about 100 gunmen who roam in convoys of SUVs, according to the U.S. anti-drug official. If Sanchez Arellano claims the intimidating pedigree, Garcia boasts the fiercer reputation. One of his top enforcers, Raydel Rosalio Lopez is nicknamed Crutches because he has left so many of his victims disabled. They're apparently the lucky ones. Police found eight more bodies on Friday. Two had been decapitated, their tongues cut out and their heads placed atop their torsos. The killers left behind another message, according to the Baja California attorney general's office. "Here you go Engineer," wrote the killers. richard.marosi@...

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