kenda 4.60 or 5.10

[E.L. Green]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Dale" wrote:

> trouble mounting an Avon Gripster rear tire on my 2008 w/6k miles. > This is my first motorcycle tire change. I didn't have any problems > removing the OEM tire, or getting the new tire on the rim; however, > when inflated one side of the tire does not seat correctly on rim. > For about 8 inches the tire has not "popped" on the rim.

This is common with Gripsters. They are a beast to seat. I just kept pumping air into it. At around 80PSI, it went "POP!" and seated. For a one time thing like seating the tire, you can put over 100PSI into a beefy tire like the Gripster before you have to worry about it exploding. Remember, this is a tire rated for 40PSI *COLD* (which means it can get to 50PSI or higher when hot). Just keep pumping air into it, and it *will* pop out and seat. _E

[David Bell]

"I have seen the wire bead fail, but only on an old and dry-rotted Barum; the bead looked rusty, and was not nearly as strong as new. The tire blew out while I was still adding air, before i had more than 30psi in it. I wonder if the bead on your tire was healthy. If you were able to compromise a healthy bead, you are both pretty damn strong and you ignored one of the cardinal rules of tire changing: if it seems too hard, you are doing something wrong." Well, I won't brag about how strong I am but I'm positive I did it. I had a 18" tire iron on it and I am 6'2" and 275# and I felt something give. (snap) I looked for what it was but did not find it, until,uh, later

[Eric Rickel]

The beads are made of a single strand of high tensile wire wound around a chuck" of the appropriate size many times. This is tuff wire but will not stand to be kinked. You kink it, that is exactly where it will break...at the wrong time. Oh, and as I posted earlier, NEVER inflate an unseated tire to more than 35 PSI. Eric (mounted tires for 7 years and built them for 27 years for Goodyear ) -------Original Message------- From: David Bell Date: 9/28/2008 1:57:03 PM To: klr list Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Blow out! "I have seen the wire bead fail, but only on an old and dry-rotted Barum; the bead looked rusty, and was not nearly as strong as new. The tire blew out while I was still adding air, before i had more than 30psi in it. I wonder if the bead on your tire was healthy. If you were able to compromise a healthy bead, you are both pretty damn strong and you ignored one of the cardinal rules of tire changing: if it seems too hard, you are doing something wrong." Well, I won't brag about how strong I am but I'm positive I did it. I had a 18" tire iron on it and I am 6'2" and 275# and I felt something give. (snap) I looked for what it was but did not find it, until,uh, later ------------------------------------ List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[yovern@juno.com]

Some tires are more of a pain to mount than others. Best advice is to soap up that tire real good with some liquid dish detergent, and to inflate WITHOUT the valve stem in. Once that bead seats, and it will, install stem, re-inflate and go for a ride. Hope this helps. Have fun & Ride safe, Anthony D16 '83 R100RS '03 GL1800A ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mDcGECyt8I14ZyAQZlJHcFEEbX8x5ZSptorIkyZt4X6D2Ak/

[E.L. Green]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Rickel" wrote:

> The beads are made of a single strand of high tensile wire wound

around a

> chuck" of the appropriate size many times.

For Gripsters I seem to recall that it was multiple wires woven around the core. Bead failure on a motorcycle tire is much more dangerous than bead failure on an automotive tire, thus motorcycle tire beads tend to be built sturdier with more redundancy. That said, you *can* stretch or break the bead wires if you use enough force. As the guy above obviously did .

> the wrong time. Oh, and as I posted earlier, NEVER inflate an

unseated tire

> to more than 35 PSI.

Err, I'd never have *any* tire seated on my KLR if I followed that dictum. Even the tires with the soggiest easiest to seat beads like the Kenda 270 generally require around 45PSI to seat. This is especially silly with an Avon Gripster, which is rated at 44PSI cold inflation pressure (i.e., up to 50PSI operating pressure). This isn't some pathetic Goodyear automotive tire that blows out when you exceed 32PSI. You have to really work at it to blow out an Avon Gripster, this is a very sturdy tire. Which is why it is a PITA to seat the thing, the bead is extremely stiff as are the sidewalls, and they just don't want to move. Motorcycle tires are not car tires. Motorcycle tires have a rounded profile, not a flat profile like car tires, and they don't behave the same way as car tires.

> Eric (mounted tires for 7 years and built them for 27 years for

Goodyear ) Given what you said about seating pressure, you'd probably crap in your britches about what us off-roaders do when we got one of our Jeep tires where the bead has gone unseated because a rock bashed a hole in it and we just plugged the hole with some gummy worm plugs. Hint: Gasoline and a match. I can see you cringin' through these here intertubes as I type . Oh, Goodyear MTR's are great offroadin' tires. Tough as all get-out. Wouldn't recommend driving that plugged-and-blown-to-h*** tire on pavement, but if you're on the side of a mountain and jackin' up the Jeep to put your spare on just ain't happenin', it sure is nice having the ability to do something like that... _E

[Eric Rickel]

Sorry, only trying to help. Eric -------Original Message------- From: E.L. Green Date: 9/28/2008 11:17:59 PM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Blow out!

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Rickel" wrote: > The beads are made of a single strand of high tensile wire wound around a > chuck" of the appropriate size many times. For Gripsters I seem to recall that it was multiple wires woven around the core. Bead failure on a motorcycle tire is much more dangerous than bead failure on an automotive tire, thus motorcycle tire beads tend to be built sturdier with more redundancy. That said, you *can* stretch or break the bead wires if you use enough force. As the guy above obviously did . > the wrong time. Oh, and as I posted earlier, NEVER inflate an unseated tire > to more than 35 PSI. Err, I'd never have *any* tire seated on my KLR if I followed that dictum. Even the tires with the soggiest easiest to seat beads like the Kenda 270 generally require around 45PSI to seat. This is especially silly with an Avon Gripster, which is rated at 44PSI cold inflation pressure (i.e., up to 50PSI operating pressure). This isn't some pathetic Goodyear automotive tire that blows out when you exceed 32PSI. You have to really work at it to blow out an Avon Gripster, this is a very sturdy tire. Which is why it is a PITA to seat the thing, the bead is extremely stiff as are the sidewalls, and they just don't want to move. Motorcycle tires are not car tires. Motorcycle tires have a rounded profile, not a flat profile like car tires, and they don't behave the same way as car tires. > Eric (mounted tires for 7 years and built them for 27 years for Goodyear ) Given what you said about seating pressure, you'd probably crap in your britches about what us off-roaders do when we got one of our Jeep tires where the bead has gone unseated because a rock bashed a hole in it and we just plugged the hole with some gummy worm plugs. Hint: Gasoline and a match. I can see you cringin' through these here intertubes as I type . Oh, Goodyear MTR's are great offroadin' tires. Tough as all get-out. Wouldn't recommend driving that plugged-and-blown-to-h*** tire on pavement, but if you're on the side of a mountain and jackin' up the Jeep to put your spare on just ain't happenin', it sure is nice having the ability to do something like that... _E ------------------------------------ List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Mike Frey]

5.10 It's on one of mine. (and a 5.10 Cheng Shin C858 on the other one)

----- Original Message ----- From: Jud Jones To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:11 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Kenda 4.60 or 5.10 --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Antonovich" wrote: > > I'm replacing my rear Dunlop w/ a Kenda. > 4.60's and 5.10's are the two available. > Is the 5.10 too wide for the KLR? > Or is 4.60 the way to go? > 5.10