oil consumption in 2008 klr's

[E.L. Green]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, LDHunter wrote:

> > From what I understand a motorcycle puts a lot more demands on oil and > "regular" oil will froth up in a motorcycle and become somewhat

ineffective. Utter nonsense. KLR's are hard on oil and oil analysis shows that non-synthetic oils -- motorcycle-certified or not -- tend to sheer down to 10W30 within 1200 miles, but "froth up"? Uhm, no. Put a good quality non-"fuel-efficient" oil in your KLR and ride it. All that certification means is that it's not going to hurt your clutch. No 10w40 will hurt your clutch, neither will any diesel-oriented oil like Rotella, so just put oil in the thing and ride it already.

[Mike Frey]

I had to look in the garage to confirm what I've been using: Mobil 1 15W-50 I've also used Rotella T 15W-40 and on rare occasions, some generic 10W-30. My bike(s) get the same gas mileage regardless of the oil that I use - I check mileage at every fill up.It's usually 50-60 MPG depending on how and where I am riding. Mike

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[Ed Dobson]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Saline wrote:

> > On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:15:55 -0400 LDHunter writes: > > SNIP > > SNIP > > SNIP > > > I buy Fram oil filters from Discount Auto Parts here. They have a > > small > > motorcycle section and have filters for all three of my bikes in > > stock. > > SNIP > > > > $bob$ > <><><><><><><><><> > <><><><><><><><><> > > $bob$, > > Just a point I recently learned about the Fram filters for the KLR.

Some

> of the newer ones are about 2.5mm longer than other filters. I had

one I

> bought last spring to check the o-ring. Recently I heard on KLR650.net > that the new Frams are longer than the older ones. I measured the one I > bought and it was longer. When Steve and Chris were out here last month > when returning from Alaska we tried to install it in each bike. One is > an 06 and the other is an 07. It was too long and the cover wouldn't > seat. > > So although I think Fram filters are as good as the next filter for most > applications... I think they are risky business with the KLR650. > > Just a data point. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT

A few years ago I measured a Kaw. 16099-004 filter for the KLR650. Length across grommets: approx. 56.3 mm Length across metal end caps: approx. 54 mm Brand name oil, fuel and air filters sold in the U.S. are made all over the world today ~ the most unusual to me were filters for my Toyota from NAPA, an air filter from South Africa (didn't fit properly, returned) and fuel filter from Russia (grudgingly used it since the car was being sold). Look on the box and the filter for the country of origin. ED

[Ed Dobson]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Mike Frey wrote:

> > I had to look in the garage to confirm what I've been using: > Mobil 1 15W-50 > > I've also used Rotella T 15W-40 and on rare occasions, > some generic 10W-30. > > My bike(s) get the same gas mileage regardless of the oil that > I use - I check mileage at every fill up.It's usually 50-60 MPG > depending on how and where I am riding. > > Mike

Hey, if Harry Seifert can use ATF in M/C transmissions with no problems at all (msg. 185173) maybe we could squeeze some more HP and MPG out of our KLR's with 10W-30 (or something lighter?). ED,,,,,rabble-rousing

[E.L. Green]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Dobson" wrote:

> problems at all (msg. 185173) maybe we could squeeze some more HP and > MPG out of our KLR's with 10W-30 (or something lighter?).

Just put any 10W40 dinosaur juice in the big thumper, and it'll be down to 10W30 within 500 miles. I think Kawasaki designated 10W40 oil with that in mind.

[Harry Seifert]

Your rabble has been roused.....................ATF was a common transmission oil for the two stroke monsters of the '70's. Gotta remember that the transmission sat in it's own little oil bath, the crank and cylinder was lubed by the fuel mix/oil pump or leaky transmission seals. The only other oil that was commonly used was various weights of Torco transmission oil. They had special weights for Beezers, Trumpets and the Hardleys of the period. What the hell, it worked 11,000+ miles. I put a set of Denco chambers on my '73 H1, cleaned up the ports and ran colder plugs, B10HV NGK's, reinforced the steering neck, Koni shocks, spacers on the front springs and put an interference-fit swingarm bushing kit and decent set of Dunlop K81's and ran it like I stole it. San Diego was a lot less developed back then and there were lots of places where I could beat up Honda 500's and 550's and out drag the venerable 750's. Give the CB750 a good half mile and he'd limp away from the steamed up H1, but I could eat 'em up on the downhill part of the old Pomerado Road...out past where they tested the Atlas rocket engines. The theory was that ATF was made to be beaten to death in the automatic transmissions of the '70's muscle cars and the specific output of my little 500 cc Kaw was just a shade more that my '71 Charger Daytona with the 440 and SixPack. With an automatic tranny...........C4 Torqflite, IIRC. Harry Seifert bseifert71@...

> [Original Message] > From: Ed Dobson > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 7/28/2008 4:36:57 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Drop in mileage after an oil change ? > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Mike Frey wrote: > > > > I had to look in the garage to confirm what I've been using: > > Mobil 1 15W-50 > > > > I've also used Rotella T 15W-40 and on rare occasions, > > some generic 10W-30. > > > > My bike(s) get the same gas mileage regardless of the oil that > > I use - I check mileage at every fill up.It's usually 50-60 MPG > > depending on how and where I am riding. > > > > Mike > > > > Hey, if Harry Seifert can use ATF in M/C transmissions with no > problems at all (msg. 185173) maybe we could squeeze some more HP and > MPG out of our KLR's with 10W-30 (or something lighter?). > > ED,,,,,rabble-rousing > > > ------------------------------------ > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

[Jeff Saline]

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:31:47 -0000 "E.L. Green" writes:

> Utter nonsense. KLR's are hard on oil and oil analysis shows that > non-synthetic oils -- motorcycle-certified or not -- tend to sheer > down to 10W30 within 1200 miles, but "froth up"? Uhm, no.

SNIP On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:43:15 -0000 "E.L. Green" writes:

> Just put any 10W40 dinosaur juice in the big thumper, and it'll be > down to 10W30 within 500 miles. I think Kawasaki designated 10W40 > oil with that in mind.

<><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><> Eric, I don't want to get involved with this stuff (oil thread) but I've got to wave the BS flag on your two comments. In my KLR using Rotella T 15w/40 dino oil with 7 oil analysis reports all over 500 miles and up to 2,000 miles the oil still tested as a 40w. Now granted that's my bike and others may have different results but my data doesn't support either statement you've made above. I have seen Valvoline 10w/40 shear to a 20w in 1,385 miles and the sample before it was over 1,500 smiles and it was still a 30w. But in both cases it didn't hold up like Rotella. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT ____________________________________________________________ Learn about VA loan programs and benefits. Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m3mWonQPsVIqnQ8fBMFDFCLntUTks6en2IKQ6gihoi5Hq9e/

[dooden]

60 mpg ? Huh I have recorded in the mid to low 30's, reckon I aint being accused of being a limp wrist hey !!!!!, but that was low geared and mostly in the woods/gravel roads/swamp type mileage check. But seems maybe 40~45 mpg is more the normal for my style of riding. Dooden A15 Green Ape

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jon Neet wrote: > > I've used 10W-40,5W-40,and 15W-40. The 5W-40 was the Rotella synthetic.The 15W-40 is the Delo400 diesel engine oil.The shifting was slightly better with the Rottela, but I have a good stock of the Delo, so I'm using that oil right now.Last tank was 60.6 miles per US gallon, so I can't complain.Mine is a 2005 with 12,000 miles, all stock. > > Jon > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[E.L. Green]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Saline wrote:

> > On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:31:47 -0000 "E.L. Green" writes: > > Utter nonsense. KLR's are hard on oil and oil analysis shows that > > non-synthetic oils -- motorcycle-certified or not -- tend to sheer > > down to 10W30 within 1200 miles, but "froth up"? Uhm, no. > > SNIP > > On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:43:15 -0000 "E.L. Green" writes: > > Just put any 10W40 dinosaur juice in the big thumper, and it'll be > > down to 10W30 within 500 miles. I think Kawasaki designated 10W40 > > oil with that in mind. > <><><><><><><><> > <><><><><><><><> > > Eric, > > I don't want to get involved with this stuff (oil thread) but I've

got to

> wave the BS flag on your two comments.

I'm not sure that's so...

> > In my KLR using Rotella T 15w/40 dino oil with 7 oil analysis

reports all

> over 500 miles and up to 2,000 miles the oil still tested as a 40w.

Rotella T 15W/40 is not a 10W40 oil so isn't applicable for my second comment, and note that I said "tend" on the first comment, which is one of those things called a "weasel word" which admits that there are some oils -- like the one you point out -- that do not shear down as quickly. Which is one reason why the Rotella T 15W/40 just went into my new V-Strom .

> I have seen Valvoline 10w/40 shear to a 20w in 1,385 miles and the

sample

> before it was over 1,500 smiles and it was still a 30w. But in both > cases it didn't hold up like Rotella.

Right. As I noted, 10w40 oils tend to shear down to 10w30 fairly quickly in the KLR. I don't recall who did the oil analysis showing that it was down to 10w30 within 600 miles (maybe our new KTM owner?) but it did shear down pretty quickly.

[LDHunter]

I ran across this on ADVrider.com and thought I'd share it. It appears that Kawasaki now has a fix for those 2008 KLR's that consume too much oil at highway speeds. http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7495463#post7495463 So far I've not been able to find anything on the Kawasaki website. $bob$ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]