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[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "mikeypep" wrote:

> > I just mounted my 3rd tire for the second time! Hows that you say? I > pinched the tube! The previous tire took 3 tries and my new tube had > more patches than the original. What's the trick? Please don't tell me > to have it mounted by the dealer. This is not an option for me. Here's > what I do; blow up the tube enough to give it some shape so it fills > the tire properly and stuff it into the half mounted tire. Then I spoon > the second side on with tire irons. That's it boys and girls. Is it > just a matter of being more careful? My final attempt went like this; > I inserted the semi-inflated tube into the half mounted tire, inserted > the valve stem, settled the tube in so there were no wrinkles then let > the air out so it layed flatter in the tire. This way it wasn't up > against the rim top side, where I inserted the spoons. My question is; > is this just a hit-and-miss process? Am I just clumsy or just unlucky? > Is my technique wrong? > > I have to add that I can't imagine changing a tire on the road or > trail. This is one hellacious task not for the timid or weak of heart! >

I used to pinch a lot of tubes until I got a set of the Motion pro T6 spoons. I have a set of three, but the key is the one with the 12/13 wrench on one end and a lip on the head of the spoon. Almost impossible to snag the tube; no pinches for me in something like 20 tries.

[Chris Norloff]

I've found the tube must have some air in it, just enough to have it hold its shape, otherwise it gets caught under the tire levers too easily. Also, when I'm using the tire levers, I always think 'what if the tube was pinched under the lever right now' and I don't move the lever as far. And I *know* what you mean aboout multiple tries. The first time I changed a tube I think it took 3 tries. Never again! best, Chris

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "mikeypep" wrote: > > I just mounted my 3rd tire for the second time! Hows that you say? I > pinched the tube! The previous tire took 3 tries and my new tube had > more patches than the original. What's the trick? Please don't tell me > to have it mounted by the dealer. This is not an option for me. Here's > what I do; blow up the tube enough to give it some shape so it fills > the tire properly and stuff it into the half mounted tire. Then I spoon > the second side on with tire irons. That's it boys and girls. Is it > just a matter of being more careful? My final attempt went like this; > I inserted the semi-inflated tube into the half mounted tire, inserted > the valve stem, settled the tube in so there were no wrinkles then let > the air out so it layed flatter in the tire. This way it wasn't up > against the rim top side, where I inserted the spoons. My question is; > is this just a hit-and-miss process? Am I just clumsy or just unlucky? > Is my technique wrong? > > I have to add that I can't imagine changing a tire on the road or > trail. This is one hellacious task not for the timid or weak of heart! > ------------------------------------ List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo! Groups Links

[Fred Hink]

Everyone has their own way of mounting a tire and I think you have answered most of your questions in your post. First off you develop your own way of mounting a tire with practice. Mounting 2 or 3 tires is not very much experience. What works for others may not work for you. I personally don't blow up the tube until the second bead has been installed. Then I blow up the tube to seat the beads and deflate the tube to let it relax before reinflating it. This will take out any wrinkles and stretched spots. Mounting the first bead is pretty straight forward, you can be as rough with that as you want. Before installing the tube, you want to inspect the tube for cracks, folds and general bad spots. Make sure it is the correct size for the tire. There has been lots of debate on where to put the two lock nuts on the valve stem. All new bikes that have tubes will come with the washer first, then the first lock nut inside the rim and the second lock nut on the outside of the rim. That is the way I do mine but YMMV. Honda dirt bikes will use one lock nut on top of the washer under the rim. The valve stem hole is large to allow the stem to move in the hole without damaging the tube. Honda uses a rubber seal to keep dirt and rocks out of the larger hole while allowing the stem to move if it has to. There is no second lock nut on this situation. Be sure to use a valve stem cap as this will keep out dirt from the valve which could let the air escape. Check your rim tape to see if it has any holes from the spoke nipples or any other cuts or damage. Once the tube has passed inspection, I usually get the valve stem aligned with the valve stem hole. Before I get all of the tube in the tire, I install the stem in the hole and loosely start the second lock nut so the stem stays in the hole. Finish installing the tube in the tire making sure that the stem comes out straight. Now for the hard part. Installing the second bead is where you will pinch the tube if not careful. If you have a rim lock, I start installing the second bead at the rim lock. Be careful that the tube is in the tire and not under the rim lock or your tire levers. You can usually start about 1/2 to 2/3 of the second bead by hand. When you use the tire levers be extra careful that you know the tube is inside the tire and not between the tire and the rim. You will hear a difference when putting the tire lever to the rim, it makes a different sound on the rim than it does when it is on the tube. Also most pinches happen when you are "camming over" the tire levers. Don't take the tire lever over as far as it will go because you have a good chance of hooking the tube and pinching it between the inside of the tire. If you only take the tire lever only about half way down, you should not pinch the tube if the tube is inside the tire. To install the last 1/2 to 1/3 of the tire you will need some sort of tire lube. Lube the inside of the tire bead and the rim. I use water with some dish soap. Water is an excelent lubricant and the soap acts as a surfactant. I think using soap or petroleum as a lube is hard on the rubber. Water by itself makes a good lube but doesn't stick to rubber very well. I have seen some tubes come through my shop that have practically bonded to the tire because of some unknown tire lube. I have seen tubes so soft that you wonder how they could ever hold air. I finish up the last bit of the second bead at the valve stem. I push the valve stem in so that the last of the bead doesn't get on top of the tube at the valve stem. If the tube or the rim tape is not between the tire and the rim, and the rim is not dirty or corroded, airing up the tire should seat the bead at 20 - 40 psi. If it takes more pressure than that, you have a problem. Check to see the valve stem is still straight, the tube and rim tape are where they are supposed to be. Lube the tire bead again and try airing up the tire to seat the beads. Once the bead has seated, I deflate the tube and reinflate it to your operating pressure. Like anything else, you get beter with practice. Better to practice in your shop than out on the road. It can be done. http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/images/flatfix.jpg Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com http://s1.zetaboards.com/arrowhead

----- Original Message ----- From: mikeypep To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 8:08 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Tire Mounting I just mounted my 3rd tire for the second time! Hows that you say? I pinched the tube! The previous tire took 3 tries and my new tube had more patches than the original. What's the trick? Please don't tell me to have it mounted by the dealer. This is not an option for me. Here's what I do; blow up the tube enough to give it some shape so it fills the tire properly and stuff it into the half mounted tire. Then I spoon the second side on with tire irons. That's it boys and girls. Is it just a matter of being more careful? My final attempt went like this; I inserted the semi-inflated tube into the half mounted tire, inserted the valve stem, settled the tube in so there were no wrinkles then let the air out so it layed flatter in the tire. This way it wasn't up against the rim top side, where I inserted the spoons. My question is; is this just a hit-and-miss process? Am I just clumsy or just unlucky? Is my technique wrong? I have to add that I can't imagine changing a tire on the road or trail. This is one hellacious task not for the timid or weak of heart! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Bob Monahan]

I used to pinch a lot of tubes until I got a set of the Motion pro T6 spoons. I have a set of three, but the key is the one with the 12/13 wrench on one end and a lip on the head of the spoon. Almost impossible to snag the tube; no pinches for me in something like 20 tries. Jud, Are you referring to this tool? http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/partno/08-0284 $bob$ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Monahan" wrote:

> > I used to pinch a lot of tubes until I got a set of the Motion pro T6 > spoons. I have a set of > three, but the key is the one with the 12/13 wrench on one end and a lip on > the head of > the spoon. Almost impossible to snag the tube; no pinches for me in > something like 20 > tries. > > > > Jud, > > Are you referring to this tool? > > http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/partno/08-0284 > > $bob$ >

That's the one.

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Freeman Rogers]

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