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[Charlie Yahrmarkt]

I thought I needed a battery charger , too. A couple weeks ago I went to ride mine, It wouldn't start. So I hung the battery out the side of the bike and see that the water level is way low inside. So i jump in vehicle#2 and run down to Benny's to get some DI water. So I get that into the battery and fast charged it with my car-sized charger 5 minutes then it started the bike right up so I said "OK" and rode it. The next time it wouldn't start again, so i repeat the process and when i get back, I take the battery out of the bike and into the basement and add MORE water . I seems like there is always a large bubble of (H2?) collecting on the bottom of the plates, and tipping and banging the battery on the bench make them "come to the surface", otherwise they just stay there. I charge it with up to 14.1 VDC . Then just sitting on the bench for 24 hours, it's down 12.15 V . Inside it you can see the "moss" they talk about on the yuasa website. For over two years this battery lasted just getting charged with the normal operation of the bike. And I also left it in the bike over the winter months in below-freezing weather, which you're not supposed to do. I guess I will need a new battery before spring. Can anyone comment on the dis/advantages of maintainance-free batteries?

----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Pendergraft" To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:16 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Dangit, I have to buy a battery charger! >I haven't run the bike in weeks, and have had to tax the battery

[jokerloco9@aol.com]

Maintenance-free batteries are for boneheads that will never do any maintenance on their vehicles. They are built with the amount of electrolyte and other construction that will typically outlast the warranty just a bit (I'm not making that up). If you get a decent maintenance-type battery, if you maintain it, you can make it outlast just about any maintenance-free battery. There is no real magic here- the battery is just lead and sulphuric acid and water. The cheapest battery Pep Boys had to offer, in August, 1999 is still working fine in my race car. And it is a vehicle that is not regularly driven which is tough on a battery. Jeff A20 In a message dated 12/15/2007 4:58:20 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, cyahrm@... writes: I thought I needed a battery charger , too. A couple weeks ago I went to ride mine, It wouldn't start. So I hung the battery out the side of the bike and see that the water level is way low inside. So i jump in vehicle#2 and run down to Benny's to get some DI water. So I get that into the battery and fast charged it with my car-sized charger 5 minutes then it started the bike right up so I said "OK" and rode it. The next time it wouldn't start again, so i repeat the process and when i get back, I take the battery out of the bike and into the basement and add MORE water . I seems like there is always a large bubble of (H2?) collecting on the bottom of the plates, and tipping and banging the battery on the bench make them "come to the surface", otherwise they just stay there. I charge it with up to 14.1 VDC . Then just sitting on the bench for 24 hours, it's down 12.15 V . Inside it you can see the "moss" they talk about on the yuasa website. For over two years this battery lasted just getting charged with the normal operation of the bike. And I also left it in the bike over the winter months in below-freezing weather, which you're not supposed to do. I guess I will need a new battery before spring. Can anyone comment on the dis/advantages of maintainance-maintainance- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Pendergraft" To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:16 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Dangit, I have to buy a battery charger! >I haven't run the bike in weeks, and have had to tax the battery **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Ernie Campbell]

use the yuasa AGM. http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Ernie Campbell http://www.oldskoolklr650.com

----- Original Message ----- From: jokerloco9@... To: cyahrm@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Dangit, I have to buy a battery charger! Maintenance-free batteries are for boneheads that will never do any maintenance on their vehicles. They are built with the amount of electrolyte and other construction that will typically outlast the warranty just a bit (I'm not making that up). If you get a decent maintenance-type battery, if you maintain it, you can make it outlast just about any maintenance-free battery. There is no real magic here- the battery is just lead and sulphuric acid and water. The cheapest battery Pep Boys had to offer, in August, 1999 is still working fine in my race car. And it is a vehicle that is not regularly driven which is tough on a battery. Jeff A20 In a message dated 12/15/2007 4:58:20 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, cyahrm@... writes: I thought I needed a battery charger , too. A couple weeks ago I went to ride mine, It wouldn't start. So I hung the battery out the side of the bike and see that the water level is way low inside. So i jump in vehicle#2 and run down to Benny's to get some DI water. So I get that into the battery and fast charged it with my car-sized charger 5 minutes then it started the bike right up so I said "OK" and rode it. The next time it wouldn't start again, so i repeat the process and when i get back, I take the battery out of the bike and into the basement and add MORE water . I seems like there is always a large bubble of (H2?) collecting on the bottom of the plates, and tipping and banging the battery on the bench make them "come to the surface", otherwise they just stay there. I charge it with up to 14.1 VDC . Then just sitting on the bench for 24 hours, it's down 12.15 V . Inside it you can see the "moss" they talk about on the yuasa website. For over two years this battery lasted just getting charged with the normal operation of the bike. And I also left it in the bike over the winter months in below-freezing weather, which you're not supposed to do. I guess I will need a new battery before spring. Can anyone comment on the dis/advantages of maintainance-maintainance- To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:16 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Dangit, I have to buy a battery charger! >I haven't run the bike in weeks, and have had to tax the battery **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[kennethhenton]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, jokerloco9@... wrote:

> > Maintenance-free batteries are for boneheads that will never do any > maintenance on their vehicles. They are built with the amount of

electrolyte and

> other construction that will typically outlast the warranty just a

bit (I'm not

> making that up). If you get a decent maintenance-type battery, if

you

> maintain it, you can make it outlast just about any maintenance-

free battery. Sorry but that just isn't factual. The Yuasa sealed battery in my '99 is three years old and has 20K miles on it and works fine. The OEM battery in my '07 isn't holding a charge after one year and 6K miles and yes I checked it frequently and topped it off with distilled water. I have had a Yuasa sealed battery go bad in one year, another last ten years and a wet cell last seven years. Sometimes it is just the luck of the draw. YMMV Ken

[Fred Hink]

You forgot to copy the page that says: "All rights reserved. No parts of this publication may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic mechanical photocopying, recording or otherwise, without the prior written permission of the Quality Assurance Department/Consumer Products Group/Kawasaki Heavy Industries, Ltd., Japan." Fred List Admin.

----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Zbornik To: 650klr@... Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Electronic manuals Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Electronic manuals > On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:36:21 -0000 "Don" writes: >> Does anyone have a link to an electronic version of the 2008 owners or >> service manual? I have both in paper >> version but I like to also have a copy in the computer that I can always >> have with me >> thanks Don, ====I ran a PDF copy of the pre 2008 manuals to the links below onto my web hosting site,for someone last summer so they are still available as I have not removed them yet. Z

[Gary LaRue]

Hi all; When a battery goes toes up, it's usually because of sulfation. If you do a google search for "battery desulfator" you will turn up a jillion web sites about pulse-type desulfators. These are gadgets which shoot high frequency electricity into the battery which causes the crystals of sulfation to vibrate and break apart. There are even some DIY for people who can solder. If you are like me, you will need to buy one which is ready to go, which can be stand alone, or part of a charge & maintain system. I bought some and put them onto batteries which were already dead because they say that they can rejuvinate dead batteries. Well... maybe so, but not in my case. I'm not really sure how they would do if you put it on a good battery which is charged by driving. Well, if I can't recommend them from my own experience, why am I suggesting you look at them? Because they have been tested by people I trust (including Home Power magazine) and they indicated that they do work. C-ya; Gary [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]