to x/oring or not: that is the question

[Michael Martin]

There is understandably a bit of confusion regarding the model designations. "Despite its designation, which usually refers to the engine size, the F 650 GS has the same 800cc twin-cylinder engine as the F 800 GS." Mike Martin, Louisville, KY --- James Morrow Sr wrote:

> You should have kept reading. The NEW F650GS is indeed a parallel twin. > Its the same engine with smaller pistons. Some countries get a BIG break > for under 700cc engines. >

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[James Morrow Sr]

Yep, the first comments were sleved cylinders, now just lower H.P. I wonder how BMW can get away with this. You could tell your insurance agent I have a 650. Maybe I can get Suzuki to call my Hayabusa a 700 (G).

On 11/9/07, Michael Martin wrote: > > There is understandably a bit of confusion regarding the model > designations. > > "Despite its designation, which usually refers to the engine size, the F > 650 GS > has the same 800cc twin-cylinder engine as the F 800 GS." > > Mike Martin, > Louisville, KY > > --- James Morrow Sr > > wrote: > > > You should have kept reading. The NEW F650GS is indeed a parallel twin. > > Its the same engine with smaller pistons. Some countries get a BIG break > > for under 700cc engines. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- James Morrow Sr Union, MO '00' RT + dual plug + Bunkhouse '00' BUSA + 15hp '05' KLR650 + big fun factor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Michael Martin]

Well, I suppose the article could be in error, too. Mike Martin, Louisville, KY --- James Morrow Sr wrote:

> Yep, the first comments were sleved cylinders, now just lower H.P. I > wonder how BMW can get away with this. You could tell your insurance agent > I have a 650. Maybe I can get Suzuki to call my Hayabusa a 700 (G). > > > > > > > On 11/9/07, Michael Martin wrote: > > > > There is understandably a bit of confusion regarding the model > > designations. > > > > "Despite its designation, which usually refers to the engine size, the F > > 650 GS > > has the same 800cc twin-cylinder engine as the F 800 GS." > > > > Mike Martin, > > Louisville, KY

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[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Michael Martin wrote:

> > There is understandably a bit of confusion regarding the model

designations.

> > "Despite its designation, which usually refers to the engine size,

the F 650 GS

> has the same 800cc twin-cylinder engine as the F 800 GS." > > Mike Martin, > Louisville, KY >

Mike, The 'same' engine? ie 800=650=800. or it it, the same bottom end with a different cylinder,etal? So what makess it a 650 GS? revmaaatin.

[Ronald Criswell]

The 800 GS wasn't at the Ft. Worth Cycle World show on Saturday ...... or I missed it. They had the all street version. Go figure. They has an interesting Aprilla 550 V twin dual sport and the new 250 WR based Yamaha dual sports and also the Kawasaki dual sport 250. People were all over the new KLR exhibit ........... but Zach from Oregon if you are out there anywhere, I didn't see anybody looking at the Suzuki DR 650's. That one is due for a revamp also but I would hope more dirt oriented. It was in black though and that looks good (clean), the DRZ 400 was also in black. Criswell

On Nov 11, 2007, at 10:12 PM, revmaaatin wrote: > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Michael Martin > wrote: > > > > There is understandably a bit of confusion regarding the model > designations. > > > > "Despite its designation, which usually refers to the engine size, > the F 650 GS > > has the same 800cc twin-cylinder engine as the F 800 GS." > > > > Mike Martin, > > Louisville, KY > > > Mike, > The 'same' engine? ie 800=650=800. or it it, the same bottom end > with a > different cylinder,etal? So what makess it a 650 GS? > revmaaatin. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jim Douglas]

Ronald Criswell wrote:

> > The 800 GS wasn't at the Ft. Worth Cycle World show on > Saturday ...... or I missed it. They had the all street version. Go > figure. They has an interesting Aprilla 550 V twin dual sport and the > new 250 WR based Yamaha dual sports and also the Kawasaki dual sport > 250. People were all over the new KLR exhibit ........... but Zach > from Oregon if you are out there anywhere, I didn't see anybody > looking at the Suzuki DR 650's. That one is due for a revamp also but > I would hope more dirt oriented. It was in black though and that > looks good (clean), the DRZ 400 was also in black. > > Criswell > On Nov 11, 2007, at 10:12 PM, revmaaatin wrote: > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , Michael Martin >

You didn't miss it as it was not there. Have never seen so many HD's in one place ever! Funny seeing my KLR next to a huge group of big iron!

[Jim Douglas]

Kenneth Daigrepont wrote:

> Where was Triumph? > > */Jim Douglas /* wrote: > > Ronald Criswell wrote: > > >

Don't remember seeing them at all, saw a few new tigers in the parking sidewalk though, pretty white with blue accents, nice.,,,I personally liked te 70's dirt bikes CZ, MAICO and if I recall a Elsinore, all looking quite new! Reminded me as a kid going to races in Carlsbad CA and seeing the big boys riding!

[telliott@aol.com]

In a message dated 11/12/2007 12:58:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com writes: Due for a revamp - DRZ 650 "I would hope more dirt oriented. It was in black though and that looks good (clean), the DRZ 400 was also in black." "CLEAN" "BLACK" AND "DIRT ORIENTED" Don't go together! Black is Pretty in the showroom. But-- only clean after it has been washed and polished. Sorry I live in the country, drive off road a lot for my job and ride dirt, dual sport and street. As a result I just don't understand 'black" on anything designed to get dirty. Light colors show the dirt much less. I'd rather spend time riding than washing and polishing! I won't buy anything black unless I've built in $$ for a paint job or new plastic. YOMV TE ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

[Ed Dobson]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "E.L. Green" wrote:

> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "jeepaviation" > wrote: > > X-oring does have better sealing qualities - at the expense of > > stiffness and friction and desert dry rot "weathering" on rubber o- > > rings. > > The x-ring chains are made of better steel and have better > characteristics such as hardness and tensile strength, and what keeps > water out better (x-ring) also keeps oil in better (inside the links). > As far as "weathering" goes, invest in WD-40. My x-ring has already > lasted longer than my last o-ring chain did despite having run in much > more sand. > > _E >

Is an aftermarket EK, or other brand chain, of the same type or design as the factory EK chain just a better chain (quality & performance) because it doesn't have to meet K's price point for a "factory" chain? ED