250 - 400cc enduro nklr

[Rodney Copeland]

Boy, I dunno Mike! I got my 03 new out the door for 4685! Surely the dealers make a bit more than that! Back then the MSRP was 4999. Rod,,,feelin kinda fortunate after 27,000 miles

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Frey" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cav_wolverine" > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] KLR650 real cost. > > > > OK, honestly, does anyone know what a dealer pays for a new >KLR650 > > from the factory. > > > > My friends and I all got 80% of MSRP, +tax, on our sportbikes from > > various Michigan dealers, so I think that's a fair rule, but c'mon, > > the KLR650 has got to be less. > > > > thanks > > cav > > > ------------- reply ----------- > > It's a closely held secret, but I don't think that dealer cost of a KLR-650 > is 20% less than the list price. I believe it's somewhere in the vicinity of > $4,500

[Mike Peplinski]

Its not as rigid as you might think. I don't know about today but a few years ago it was pretty much driven by supply and demand. >From: "cav_wolverine" >To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [DSN_KLR650] KLR650 real cost. >Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 23:48:36 -0000 > > > >OK, honestly, does anyone know what a dealer pays for a new KLR650 >from the factory. > >My friends and I all got 80% of MSRP, +tax, on our sportbikes from >various Michigan dealers, so I think that's a fair rule, but c'mon, >the KLR650 has got to be less. > >thanks > >cav > > > > > >Archive Quicksearch at: >http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

[desertexplorer308]

In the larger cities I think you can get better pricing. Los Angeles area has the best OTD prices in the country from what I can find, LA cycles only makes $100 off each bike but make it up in volume. They had 2005 KLR650's OTD inclucing a year of license reg for $4,999. That deal had the $200 factory rebate built-in to the price, however. http://www.lacyclesports.com I have 3 kawi dealers within 10 miles of my house. They ranged from $5,600 OTD to $5,180 OTD for a new KLR650. I showed each sales mgr a copy of the invoice and asked for best cash price. I saved about $400 for going an extra 4 miles to "the other side of town" to the furthest dealer. The finance guy there said they had 42 2005 KLR's in stock company-wide so he didnt mind letting one go that cheap. He made it up when i bought the extended warranty anyway. He also gave me a $100 gift card good for parts and I ordered an assortment of shims. I bought my FZ1 from him in '03 and I will buy more bikes from him and he knows it. As far as service, I do my own work on all my bikes, just need a warranty in case of electrical component failures, a bottom end blowing apart, or some other catastrophe. So for the extra $200 (plus registration) I bought my KLR locally even though I go to SoCal to visit frequently. The dealer has to make a profit to keep in business, so I think a 'fair' deal from a 'good' dealer is a win-win situation. markII in vegas

> > > > > > > >OK, honestly, does anyone know what a dealer pays for a new KLR650 > >from the factory. > > > >My friends and I all got 80% of MSRP, +tax, on our sportbikes from > >various Michigan dealers, so I think that's a fair rule, but c'mon, > >the KLR650 has got to be less. > > > >thanks > > > >cav

[ron criswell]

Funny how people bitch and moan when dealers make a profit (me included). They could always go over to the Harley fringe crowd. I had a Harley guy tell me last weekend that the regular service charge on his Harley was $600. If he didn't do the service routine his warranty was invalid. Now anybody that knows anything about Harley's knows that is a ripoff. Hydraulic valves (no adjustment), belt drive (very little adjustment till it wears out), his was fuel injection (emmm, don't think you do much to those), carburetor ones .... idle adjustment ... maybe. So he is paying $600 for maybe a plug and oil change. Now I know why they don't wear helmets. Criswell

On Thursday, April 21, 2005, at 07:11 PM, Guy B. Young II wrote: > > Yeah, and if I remember correctly, dealer cost on that bike was around > $1500. I, too, have been on the other side of the counter (sorry > MCN). > > Guy > > ------- reply -------------- > > A long time ago, when I worked at the local Kawasaki shop, guys would > go 100 > miles, or more, just to get a $100 better deal. (this was when the most > expensive bike was the new Z1 at $1995) > > Those same guys would bitch and moan when we would charge them full > price > for parts and service while those that bought their bikes at our shop > got > discounts and special favors such as free tire mounting, flat tires > fixed > for free, and so on. > > My first brand new bike ever was my 175 F-7: $699, list price. Friends > told > me "Oh, you coulda got it at so-and-so for $650". I got a lot more > than $50 > worth of favors and freebies from that purchase. > > I happily paid full price on my KLR but got my leftover ZRX at dealer > cost > (I wouldn't have bought it otherwise). > > Approximately 20 years elapsed between my last new bike and next new > bike > (the KLR), but the shop owners would tell me "We know you'll buy a new > one > from us eventually". I get treated pretty well by my local Kawasaki / > Suzuki > / BMW shop. > > Mike > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

[West Hovland]

LOL!!!... oh my god that is funny.... West

----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Criswell To: Guy B. Young II Cc: Mike Frey ; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.comDSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR650 real cost. Snip.. Harley fringe crowd. Snip... So he is paying $600 for maybe a plug and oil change. Now I know why they don't wear helmets. Criswell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Mike Peplinski]

True enough-we must remember that we have to support our lifes blood. Dealers only sell bikes because thats the only way they can get the parts sales and the labor. How many of you have used an independent bike repair shop and gotten ripped. Just because they can repair a Honda or a lawn mower doesn't mean they can fix a motorcycle. How about aftermarket parts? Some may be as good or better but many of the parts are best left to OEM quality. Think about that the next time you buy parts. After freight and handling the dealer cost can be the same. Even at full markup they are not going to retire rich on what they make on the bikes. Heck, most of our local Kawa dealers (SE Wisconsin) tell me they sell 4-6 KLR's a year. You can do the math but with the setups and holding costs they are not going to the Bahamas on that. Their lifes blood is parts and repairs. The next time you buy on the net think about it. Think you can get your bike fixed on the internet? If these dealers fold up their tents how will you get y our toys serviced? Talking about Harley-we have 3 Kawasaki dealers in the entire area. 4 for Suzuki and H onda and 1 for BMW, Ducati, and Aprilia. There are about 8 HD dealers, all with showrooms 3-4 times as large as the others. Their buildings are veritable tributes to the brand. Look at the modest showrooms we get. There is far more $$$ flowing through the HD dealership and a lot of it is repairs and parts. To wrap it up, lets not get carried away about the couple of bucks we save or could save by skinning the dealers. Ride with pride. Hold your head up and say "I paid list, and it was worth it!" (No, I am not a dealer or in any way associated with one. I'm just a humble supporter-Don't bite the hand that feeds you.)

>From: Ron Criswell >To: "Guy B. Young II" >CC: Mike Frey , DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR650 real cost. >Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:57:39 -0700 > > >Funny how people bitch and moan when dealers make a profit (me >included). They could always go over to the Harley fringe crowd. I had >a Harley guy tell me last weekend that the regular service charge on >his Harley was $600. If he didn't do the service routine his warranty >was invalid. Now anybody that knows anything about Harley's knows that >is a ripoff. Hydraulic valves (no adjustment), belt drive (very little >adjustment till it wears out), his was fuel injection (emmm, don't >think you do much to those), carburetor ones .... idle adjustment ... >maybe. So he is paying $600 for maybe a plug and oil change. Now I know >why they don't wear helmets. > >Criswell >On Thursday, April 21, 2005, at 07:11 PM, Guy B. Young II wrote: > > > > > Yeah, and if I remember correctly, dealer cost on that bike was around > > $1500. I, too, have been on the other side of the counter (sorry > >MCN). > > > > Guy > > > > ------- reply -------------- > > > > A long time ago, when I worked at the local Kawasaki shop, guys would > > go 100 > > miles, or more, just to get a $100 better deal. (this was when the most > > expensive bike was the new Z1 at $1995) > > > > Those same guys would bitch and moan when we would charge them full > > price > > for parts and service while those that bought their bikes at our shop > > got > > discounts and special favors such as free tire mounting, flat tires > > fixed > > for free, and so on. > > > > My first brand new bike ever was my 175 F-7: $699, list price. Friends > > told > > me "Oh, you coulda got it at so-and-so for $650". I got a lot more > > than $50 > > worth of favors and freebies from that purchase. > > > > I happily paid full price on my KLR but got my leftover ZRX at dealer > > cost > > (I wouldn't have bought it otherwise). > > > > Approximately 20 years elapsed between my last new bike and next new > > bike > > (the KLR), but the shop owners would tell me "We know you'll buy a new > > one > > from us eventually". I get treated pretty well by my local Kawasaki / > > Suzuki > > / BMW shop. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Archive Quicksearch at: >http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

[Mike Peplinski]

That's not must an oil change. They actually put "Harley Davidson" oil in the things. It probably comes from the Harley Davidson Petroleum Company. They're doing a lot of drilling in down town Milwaukee-must be oil rigs.

>From: "WEST HOVLAND" >To: "DSN_klr650" DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR650 real cost. >Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:26:50 -0700 > > >LOL!!!... oh my god that is funny.... > >West > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron Criswell > To: Guy B. Young II > Cc: Mike Frey ; >DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.comDSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:57 PM > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] KLR650 real cost. > > > > Snip.. > Harley fringe crowd. > Snip... > So he is paying $600 for maybe a plug and oil change. Now I know > why they don't wear helmets. > > Criswell > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >Archive Quicksearch at: >http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

[robert bowman]

On Wednesday 27 April 2005 03:11, Ron Criswell wrote:

> I had > a Harley guy tell me last weekend that the regular service charge on > his Harley was $600. If he didn't do the service routine his warranty > was invalid.

Doing your own service does not invalidate the HD warranty. If it was a 10K interval, the parts run around $120. The labor includes replacing the fork oil, lubricating both wheel bearings including replacing the seals, disassembling and lubricating the rear fork, removing and cleaning the fuel tank filter, replacing the plugs, along with the usual fluid and filter changes. If done correctly, it is more than a 'plug and oil change'. That said, it is often overpriced and the required work is not performed depending on the dealer. Of course every Kawasaki dealer religiously performs the valve adjustment that is billed out...

[Mike Peplinski]

Yes, and all that "replacement"stuff must really help. Harleys are well known for their durability and penchant for high mileage. Puhleeze. Do they put fresh air in the tires too?

>From: robert bowman >To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR650 real cost. >Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 06:32:48 -0600 > > >On Wednesday 27 April 2005 03:11, Ron Criswell wrote: > > I had > > a Harley guy tell me last weekend that the regular service charge on > > his Harley was $600. If he didn't do the service routine his warranty > > was invalid. > >Doing your own service does not invalidate the HD warranty. If it was a >10K >interval, the parts run around $120. The labor includes replacing the fork >oil, lubricating both wheel bearings including replacing the seals, >disassembling and lubricating the rear fork, removing and cleaning the fuel >tank filter, replacing the plugs, along with the usual fluid and filter >changes. > >If done correctly, it is more than a 'plug and oil change'. That said, it >is >often overpriced and the required work is not performed depending on the >dealer. Of course every Kawasaki dealer religiously performs the valve >adjustment that is billed out... > > > > > >Archive Quicksearch at: >http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

[robert bowman]

On Wednesday 27 April 2005 07:04, Mike Peplinski wrote:

> Yes, and all that "replacement"stuff must really help. Harleys are well > known for their durability and penchant for high mileage. Puhleeze. Do they > put fresh air in the tires too?

My current Sportster is at 44,000 and counting, with tires being the major maintenance cost. And I haven't even replaced the doohickey... Just because a high pecentage of Harley owners are assholes does not make the machinery inferior, if you disregard the years when the company was owned by a parent better known for bowling equipment.