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[Gary Parece]

9x 2.25 I.D.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2.25I.D. (inside dia.)right???????? Gary Parece 98 concours 102K, ,01 KLR650 9K 04 WR250F ,04 H-D Road King

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Parece" To: "Dirk Beer" ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: rear spring rate confusion > > Hi, is that the spring size to ask for ( 9"x 2.25) by whatever # you want > ???? > Gary Parece > 98 concours 102K, ,01 KLR650 9K > 04 WR250F ,04 H-D Road King > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dirk Beer" > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 11:15 AM > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: rear spring rate confusion > > >> >> Thanks a lot, guys. Sounds like a 450# would be about right... I'll >> remeasure the sag one more time & then order a spring. >> >> I wonder if there's much of a difference between brands? I read in >> another post that Eibach sells 9"x2.25" springs as well - maybe I'll >> try those since they are a little cheaper than eshocks. >> >> Now I gotta decide on shock oil weight, and the critical question of >> single- or multi- viscocity fork oil >> >> Dirk >> >> >> Archive Quicksearch at: >> http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >> List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >> List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

[John Kokola]

No. "Rebound" is short for "rebound damping." Rebound damping is how the extension stroke (on most bikes) of the shock is controlled. Walk around to the back of your bike and push down (lean) hard on the rear. The back end will bounce and come back up. A good ballpark setting for rebound damping is for you to be able to say quickly "one-thousand-one." Often, stock shocks will rise more quickly (sometimes much more quickly) than this -- because they don't have enough rebound damping. A stiffer spring exacerbates this, because it pushes harder on the shock to extend itself. --John Kokola -----Original Message----- From: Gary Parece So what your saying is the 500 560 has a lot of rebound????????????? Rebound being the force that pushes the seat back up after it's (the shock) been compressed??????????

[Dirk Beer]

On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:15:11 -0500, Gary Parece wrote:

> 9x 2.25 I.D.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2.25I.D. (inside dia.)right???????? > > > > Hi, is that the spring size to ask for ( 9"x 2.25) by whatever # you want

Yes, according to the FAQ: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html#suspension Dirk

[pdstreeter@mmm.com]

Lujo wrote:

>the super-stiff springs compensate for the >less-the-stellar damping of the stock shock

My KLR with a 500# spring from eshocks, 10W suspension fluid and a fresh nitrogen charge worked great on the washboard roads in Baja with the rebound damping one click down from max. This is with it loaded pretty heavy and I weigh about 260. Paul Streeter

[Gary Parece]

FaQ says: For reference, the stock spring is 10" long and 300 lbs/inch. Replacement manufacturers are: and it says this about eshock : Eshocks sells springs, and makes a 9" spring that will fit the KLR shock. If you're lighter, you might like this spring as you can get a better preload adjustment. My question is for those using eshock springs are you using a spring that is 1" shorter than stock and does it bring down the ride height or have some other affect??? On the eshock website they only go up to 9" with a inside dia. of 2.25. Just trying to get all this info straight before I order a spring. THANKS FOR ALL HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gary Parece 98 concours 102K, ,01 KLR650 9K 04 WR250F ,04 H-D Road King

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dirk Beer" To: "Gary Parece" Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: rear spring rate confusion > > On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 13:15:11 -0500, Gary Parece > wrote: >> 9x 2.25 I.D.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2.25I.D. (inside dia.)right???????? >> > >> > Hi, is that the spring size to ask for ( 9"x 2.25) by whatever # you >> > want > > Yes, according to the FAQ: > http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html#suspension > > Dirk > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >

[Dirk Beer]

On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:00:44 -0500, Gary Parece wrote:

> FaQ says: For reference, the stock spring is 10" long and 300 lbs/inch. > Replacement manufacturers are: > and it says this about eshock : Eshocks sells springs, and > makes a 9" spring that will fit the KLR shock. If you're lighter, you might > like this spring as you can get a better preload adjustment. > My question is for those using eshock springs are you using a spring > that is 1" shorter than stock and does it bring down the ride height or have > some other affect??? > On the eshock website they only go up to 9" with a inside dia. of 2.25.

Keep reading, further down it says: What are the stats on the stock spring? The stock spring is about 56mm/2.2" ID, 254mm/10" long, and the spring rate has been measured at 5.3 kg/300 lb. NOTE: Although the stock spring is 10" long, the shock appears to be built for a 9" spring. That is, installing the stock 10" spring puts an inch of preload on it, which is quite a bit. The consensus is that you are better off with a stiffer, shorter spring. A rate of 450 lbs/inch seems to be ballpark for riders of 180-200 lbs, and 500 or 550 for heavier riders. However, you might want to consult a suspension specialist (or the list) for suggestions on your specific weight and riding style. The proper diameter is 2.25". So as I understand it, the 9" spring is long enough for the shock & that's what everybody buys. Dirk

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Parece" wrote:

> FaQ says: For reference, the stock spring is 10" long and 300 lbs/inch. > Replacement manufacturers are: > and it says this about eshock : Eshocks sells springs, and > makes a 9" spring that will fit the KLR shock. If you're lighter, you might > like this spring as you can get a better preload adjustment. > My question is for those using eshock springs are you using a spring > that is 1" shorter than stock and does it bring down the ride height or have > some other affect??? > On the eshock website they only go up to 9" with a inside dia. of 2.25.

All of the replacement springs I have seen for the KLR shock are 9". The 10" stock spring is under a lot of preload. Even with a spring compressor, removing it is a somewhat dodgy two-man chore. The 9" replacement springs go in quite easily by comparison. If someone wanted to install a heavier-than-stock 10" spring, I don't think I'd even want to be in the room.

[Dirk Beer]

For anyone who's interested in my rear spring replacement. This is my first experience with suspensions mods, so I am no expert. These are just my observations: Originally had 1" static, 4" loaded sag with stock 300lb spring, wanted ~1" static, ~3" loaded sag. Figured (4-1)/(3-1)*300=450 would be the ideal spring rate. Exact figures came out closer to 400, but I went with 450 to be safe (list recommendations for my weight are often 500-550lbs), and because the progressiveness of the unitrak would tend to make the calculation come out low. I got the Hypercoil spring (9x2.25,450lb) from eshocks day a few days ago. Bought a $10 harbor freight spring compressor to install it. Originally, I was going to change the oil, but according to someone at Precision Suspension in El Cajon CA, you have to dis-assemble the shock to replace the oil. I figured I can try the spring out pretty easily, and if there's not enough damping, I can pay someone to rebuild the thing ($100+, not having a shop sucks). The Harbor Freight spring comp. was on sale $7.99. But - it didn't fit. After looking at it for a while, I took a file and ground about 1/2" of material off two of the hooks. I was able to use it after that, and it seemed safe enough to me (if you do the same and hurt yourself, don't blame me . Taking the shock off the bike was pretty easy. Take off the unitrak links at the rear end only, unbolt the top and bottom of the shock, and drop it out. Remember which side the rebound clicker and the preload adjuster are on, though... I ended up putting mine back together with the clicker on the chain side by accident. My shock is only a year old, and the damper seemed to be in good shape - no leaks, compressed slowly, re-extended by itself slowly. The new spring is about an inch shorter than stock, has slightly greater I.D., and thicker wire. It required about 1/2 inch of compression to get it on, and that was easy to do with the spring compressor. The shock assembly is easy to put back in the bike (except that I put the clicker on the wrong side). Riding observations so far (on-road, ~245 lbs rider w/gear): Spring:1, Rebound:2 - ride height too low, bottomed out on medium sized pot hole, seriously underdamped Spring:5, Rebound:4 - shock nearly topped out (only ~1/2 inch free sag), also very stiff (probably overdamped, possibly made more uncomfortable by being topped out). Spring:4, Rebound:3 - roughtly 1" free sag, 3" total sag (just what I was looking for!), still seems a little overdamped, will have to ride some more to see. The difference from stock is not as dramatic as I was expecting. But the worst problem with the stock was the rear end would squat down in curves, and the new spring seems to have fixed that. The rear end is more solid when it needs to be. Some thoughts: It doesn't seem like I will have underdamping problems, the stock damper seems ok for on-road riding (with this 450lb spring, at least). The shorter spring is forcing me to use up most of my preload... maybe a 1/4 to 1/2 inch spring spacer would help so that I would have some preload left when heavily loaded? Slightly higher rear ride height and stiffer rear spring makes the front end squirrelyness more noticeable... I wonder if progressive fork springs would help? I already have 15W fork oil. Dirk A18

[Dirk Beer]

jeezuz, that was long. sorry. Dirk

[Matt]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Dirk Beer wrote: snip > > Bought a $10 > harbor freight spring compressor to install it. Dirk, What's the model number ... please? snip > > Slightly higher rear ride height and stiffer rear spring makes the > front end squirrelyness more noticeable... I wonder if progressive > fork springs would help? I installed the progressive springs and cartridge emulators up front and have yet to do anything to the rear. I really didn't realize how bad the rear was until I improved the front. So I would imagine the same goes for you. Just visa-versa. Thanks for the report. I've often contemplated doing the same but it doesn't seem right to go to a stiffer spring without increasing rebound dampening. Maybe going from 10" to 9" compensates? Did you compare the outside diameter of the eshocks spring to the stock? There doesn't appear to be a whole lot of room in there. Does it look like the spring could ever contact the swingarm? I sure wish there were more options ;