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[Eric]

I think that's one of those problems that has way to many variables to even calculate what's 'more safe'... I mean- you're in the wind on two wheels! Everytime you pop the clutch it's a crap shoot. In my opinion 'a helmet' is almost ALWAYS better than 'no helmet'... pick one that matches your color scheme and/or your finances and ride as responsibly as you can. : ) ~Eric AZ --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Bogdan Swider wrote:

> Anybody else read the interview with Harry Hurt - moto

crash/helmet expert -

> in the latest MCN ? What jumped out at me was his belief that a

$70 - $80

> helmet is as good and maybe superior to an top brand expensive

lid. Why ?

> The cheapo passes only the DOT test which is better than the Snell

standard

> the prime helmet passes in addition. If you pass the Snell

standard - he

> opinions - the padding is too hard. So... the rhetorical " Do you

have a

> $400 or a $70 head ?" doesn't seem to be valid. By getting the $99

Electro 4

> in 1 from J.C. Whitney you might be made safer than springing for

the Arai

> Dual Sport that runs $400. > > Bogdan

[kdxkawboy@aol.com]

In a message dated 2005-01-17 10:15:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, jck22903@... writes:

> > IIRC ... > > The Snell test replicates a much higher rate of speed than does the DOT > test. > > If you crash on the street at a moderate rate of speed, it might be true > that a DOT-only rated helmet would serve you better. > > If you crash on the track at a high rate of speed, you might be better > served with a Snell-rated helmet. > > Chime in anytime if you've got better information. > > --John Kokola >

The argument has always been that some folks feel that a helmet designed for racing is not safe for the street - the padding/sheel is to stiff to absorb lighter hits of the real world. To the best of my knowledge this is complete hogwash and that none of the 'experts' that hold this opinion have ever been able to provide any valid statistical evidence that this is so (if they had you and I both know the personal injury lawyers would be all over this). To the contrary, there is significant statistical data that has shown the DOT approved only helmets have failed in some street accidents where SNELL approved helmets would have survived the second or third hit. There are more experts that hold the DOT test is insufficient than there are those that hold the SNELL test is not applicable to real world street riding. While good old Harry Hurt may be one of the foremost experts when it comes to traffic accidents involving motorcycles I have yet to come across anything that says this just naturally makes him an expert in safe helmet design. Pat G'ville, Nv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[John Kokola]

Bingo. In the same manner, few mechanics are qualified petrochemical engineers ("So what oil is best?"). --John Kokola

> -----Original Message----- > From: kdxkawboy@... [mailto:kdxkawboy@...] > > While good old Harry Hurt may be one of the foremost experts when > it comes to > traffic accidents involving motorcycles I have yet to come across > anything > that says this just naturally makes him an expert in safe helmet design.

[Bogdan Swider]

> > Bingo. In the same manner, few mechanics are qualified petrochemical > engineers ("So what oil is best?"). > >> >> While good old Harry Hurt may be one of the foremost experts when >> it comes to >> traffic accidents involving motorcycles I have yet to come across >> anything >> that says this just naturally makes him an expert in safe helmet design. >

I guess it's time for you guys to get a hold of the article in MCN. ( Am I the only guy that subscribes to that rag ?) I'm not a real safety engineer so I don't really know but.....the author, Wendy Moon describes a big gizmo for testing helmets in Hurts lab. Again, read the article. Bogdan

[Tom Komjathy]

Who is? There are so many variables, it's almost impossible to design a helmet which will work in all scenarios. Unless someone comes up with better testing than DOT/Snell, those are the standards for the best protection. TK

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Kokola" To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 11:15 AM Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Harry Hurt - Helmets > > Bingo. In the same manner, few mechanics are qualified petrochemical > engineers ("So what oil is best?"). > > --John Kokola > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: kdxkawboy@... [mailto:kdxkawboy@...] > > > > While good old Harry Hurt may be one of the foremost experts when > > it comes to > > traffic accidents involving motorcycles I have yet to come across > > anything > > that says this just naturally makes him an expert in safe helmet design. > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

[Arden Kysely]

Harry Hurt has tested thousands of helmets in his lifetime, as well as studied how they are typically used in a street crash. I would say that gives him much pretty good qualifications for commenting on helmet design. I second Bogdan's request: get the mag, read the article, then have an opinion. There's a lot more in there that we can discuss besides DOT vs. Snell. We could probably keep the discussion going till riding season returns for the snow-bound Listers. __Arden --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Bogdan Swider wrote: > > > > Bingo. In the same manner, few mechanics are qualified petrochemical > > engineers ("So what oil is best?"). > > > >> > >> While good old Harry Hurt may be one of the foremost experts when > >> it comes to > >> traffic accidents involving motorcycles I have yet to come across > >> anything > >> that says this just naturally makes him an expert in safe helmet design. > > > > I guess it's time for you guys to get a hold of the article in MCN. ( Am I > the only guy that subscribes to that rag ?) I'm not a real safety engineer > so I don't really know but.....the author, Wendy Moon describes a big gizmo > for testing helmets in Hurts lab. Again, read the article. > > Bogdan

[John Kokola]

I spoke waaaay too soon. Sorry. Got my Motorcycle Consumer News in the mail today. You're right. 14 degrees here last night in VA; 49 degrees inside the house when I got home. Anyone else heat with wood? --John Kokola -----Original Message----- From: Arden Kysely I second Bogdan's request: get the mag, read the article, then have an opinion.

[Harry Seifert]

Yup, 1 - 2 cords of oak/apple/walnut and a little pine for kindling every winter. Firewood heats several times.....cutting it down, splitting it, stacking it and hauling it in the house and the ashes out. Helps the compost pile, however. Installing a new airtight stove in a few weeks so I should be using less wood next winter. Buddy bseifert71@...

> [Original Message] > From: John Kokola > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 1/18/2005 10:54:10 AM > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Harry Hurt - Helmets > > > I spoke waaaay too soon. Sorry. > > Got my Motorcycle Consumer News in the mail today. You're right. > > 14 degrees here last night in VA; 49 degrees inside the house when I got

home. Anyone else heat with wood?

> > --John Kokola > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arden Kysely > > I second Bogdan's request: get the mag, read the article, then have > an opinion. > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

[nakedwaterskier]

I just took apart the blinker/horn/hi/low switches and tried the blinker and it started working. No frayed wires, no bad connections. Only thing I can imagine is pressure on the switch or corroded right blinker contact inside the switch Jeffrey nakedred04

[Chris Norloff]

A DOT helmet is all a rider needs in most cases. The Snell helmet, due to its ability to attenuate higher energy levels, will pass greater acceleration to the head at lower levels (but will provide more protection at higher energy levels). At the low end, obviously a $20 toy helmet won't provide protection. At the high end, a $300 helmet selling for $400 because it has Famous Racer Graphics doesn't help you either. In between, just buy a helmet that meets your needs and you'll always wear while riding. If that helmet has a Snell certification, great. But the important thing is not whether the helmet is DOT, Snell, or European certified - the important thing is that the helmet is on your head when it's needed. Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Bogdan Swider Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:23:33 -0700

> >Anybody else read the interview with Harry Hurt - moto crash/helmet expert - >in the latest MCN ? What jumped out at me was his belief that a $70 - $80 >helmet is as good and maybe superior to an top brand expensive lid. Why ? >The cheapo passes only the DOT test which is better than the Snell standard >the prime helmet passes in addition. If you pass the Snell standard - he >opinions - the padding is too hard. So... the rhetorical " Do you have a >$400 or a $70 head ?" doesn't seem to be valid. By getting the $99 Electro 4 >in 1 from J.C. Whitney you might be made safer than springing for the Arai >Dual Sport that runs $400. > >Bogdan > > > >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >