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[thad_carey]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Lee Dickinson" wrote:

> Maybe I'm clueless, but why is everyone removing this screen? > > Lee / Colbert, GA

Dooden, you've mentioned on occasion your concern on the issue of dirt getting into the carb/engine without this screen in place-- dirt in the intake is indeed a worthy concern. Again, we're talking about one of those issues that can't be totally qualified in discussion here, but I've not seen this to be as big an issue with the KLR. By that I mean that because of the air filter access design and the angle/distance/size of the inlet beyond the air filter, it doesn't seem as prone to having debris falling into or down the inlet path to the carb. Don't get me wrong, this should always be something to look for when removing a dirty air filter, but the KLR seems one of the better designs for getting a filter out without this happening. I've had several XRs over the years where this was more of a problem because of top-loading and angle/distance issues from the air filter/airbox contact area to the carb inlet. That nice, large, side-loading feature of the KLR airbox definitely makes it easier to get an air filter out, and then after the fact, you can wipe out any small particles that may have fallen into that area between the air filter and screen. For the sake of discussion, I would suggest that if one is relying on the screen to catch all this potential debris in the intake path, then that same screen would end up being an even more significant blockage in the inlet path as it slowly filled up with "crud". I guess it might be hoped that this trapped debris would slowly "break down" or disintegrate into smaller particles that the carb/engine could ingest in a less damaging manner, but I'd just rather rely on keeping this inlet path clean by wiping it out after air cleaner servicing, especially since it is much more accessible because of the KLR airbox design. Just food for thought, I guess. Thad Carey A15 (GI Joe goes Malibu)

[kdxkawboy@aol.com]

In a message dated 2004-01-23 8:26:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, ttcarey1@... writes:

> --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Lee Dickinson" > wrote: > >Maybe I'm clueless, but why is everyone removing this screen? > > > >Lee / Colbert, GA > > Well, Lee, it may be that those of us doing it are clueless, but > the reason is to remove a significant airflow restriction issue. > From some recent dyno numbers (and I presume they're correct), there > are not any great horsepower numbers to be gained from ANY > modifications to a KLR650--at least with the usual exhaust, airbox > mods, air filter, and jetting issues. The fellow running the dyno > numbers stated that he felt there was a significant increase in > certain rpm ranges and conditions but I believe that was in the > perspective of a increase ratio vs. raw horsepower number increases. > The funny thing about all of this debate about KLR performance mods > is the fact that those that have done them have noticed and gained > a "pleasant" snap out of their bike after doing some or all of the > mods. And from those dyno numbers there apparently is enough > to "feel" in your own personal a$$ dyno, but not any blazing, tire > smoking 10 second 1/4 mile times to be had. I would suggest that > anyone who has done the mods should do a few roll-ons or drag races > with their stock KLR riding buddies. Barring some mechanical > problems with the bikes, you'll see slight improvement in the > modified version. I've done similar mods to every 4-stroke road or > off road motorcycle I've ever owned. You really notice how small > increases like these help you in those last second "grunts" to get > over or up an obstacle on the trail and other situtaions like that. > A KLR is no horsepower beast, so that little extra torque and punch > on a gnarly Utah jeep trail can occassionally make the difference. > If nothing else, it's kind of fun to slightly, even albeit slowly, > pull away from your riding buddy's stock KLR with a big grin on your > face as you look back at him. In that event, I am indeed clueless. > An interesting observation on this forum about many of these "KLR > Horsepower", "Fuel to the Fire", and "Airbox Mods" threads has been > how some fairly passionate debate has insued. I think some KLR folk > who don't believe in doing these mods almost feel compelled to "diss" > those who have done so. Then likewise some of us who have done the > mods feel compelled to "defend" the reason for doing the mods. In > reality the whole issue has just shown how diverse the perpectives of > people in general tend to be, even in a specific group of specific > motorcycle owners like ours. So, Lee, you'll just have to wade > through the pros and cons and even all the passionate opinions to > make your best guess on what, if anything, you should do to your > bike. If you're not already a chronic tinkerer with any of your > personal pieces of equipment that you own, then possibly you're not a > candidate for wasting time considering or doing any of these mods. > I've heard that a stock KLR is pretty fun to ride just as is--LOL! > Thad Carey > A15 (Barbie looking for elusive KLR power) > >

Now my reason for doing it is I've yet to read a setup article in Dirt Bike, Dirt Rider, MX Action, Racer X that didn't recommend taking it out. While always stating that it provides for better air flow, they have defended the move if for no other reason than to thumb your nose at the safetycrats - the only reason the screen is there is because some puke in DC decided we needed to worry about an engine backfire setting the air filter on fire. It ain't there to prevent anything from falling into the carb, it's there as a spark arrestor for a backfire. While I've never been a chopper fan, I do believe in their basic philosophy, if you don't need it to get from point A to point B, toss it. Pat G'ville, Nv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[thad_carey]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, kdxkawboy@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 2004-01-23 8:26:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, > ttcarey1@t... writes: > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Lee Dickinson" > > wrote: > > >Maybe I'm clueless, but why is everyone removing this screen? > > > > > >Lee / Colbert, GA > > > > Well, Lee, it may be that those of us doing it are clueless,

but

> > the reason is to remove a significant airflow restriction issue. > > From some recent dyno numbers (and I presume they're correct),

there

> > are not any great horsepower numbers to be gained from ANY > > modifications to a KLR650--at least with the usual exhaust,

airbox

> > mods, air filter, and jetting issues. The fellow running the

dyno

> > numbers stated that he felt there was a significant increase in > > certain rpm ranges and conditions but I believe that was in the > > perspective of a increase ratio vs. raw horsepower number

increases.

> > The funny thing about all of this debate about KLR performance

mods

> > is the fact that those that have done them have noticed and

gained

> > a "pleasant" snap out of their bike after doing some or all of

the

> > mods. And from those dyno numbers there apparently is enough > > to "feel" in your own personal a$$ dyno, but not any blazing,

tire

> > smoking 10 second 1/4 mile times to be had. I would suggest that > > anyone who has done the mods should do a few roll-ons or drag

races

> > with their stock KLR riding buddies. Barring some mechanical > > problems with the bikes, you'll see slight improvement in the > > modified version. I've done similar mods to every 4-stroke road

or

> > off road motorcycle I've ever owned. You really notice how small > > increases like these help you in those last second "grunts" to

get

> > over or up an obstacle on the trail and other situtaions like

that.

> > A KLR is no horsepower beast, so that little extra torque and

punch

> > on a gnarly Utah jeep trail can occassionally make the

difference.

> > If nothing else, it's kind of fun to slightly, even albeit

slowly,

> > pull away from your riding buddy's stock KLR with a big grin on

your

> > face as you look back at him. In that event, I am indeed

clueless.

> > An interesting observation on this forum about many of these "KLR > > Horsepower", "Fuel to the Fire", and "Airbox Mods" threads has

been

> > how some fairly passionate debate has insued. I think some KLR

folk

> > who don't believe in doing these mods almost feel compelled

to "diss"

> > those who have done so. Then likewise some of us who have done

the

> > mods feel compelled to "defend" the reason for doing the mods.

In

> > reality the whole issue has just shown how diverse the

perpectives of

> > people in general tend to be, even in a specific group of

specific

> > motorcycle owners like ours. So, Lee, you'll just have to wade > > through the pros and cons and even all the passionate opinions to > > make your best guess on what, if anything, you should do to your > > bike. If you're not already a chronic tinkerer with any of your > > personal pieces of equipment that you own, then possibly you're

not a

> > candidate for wasting time considering or doing any of these

mods.

> > I've heard that a stock KLR is pretty fun to ride just as is--LOL! > > Thad Carey > > A15 (Barbie looking for elusive KLR power) > > > > > > Now my reason for doing it is I've yet to read a setup article in

Dirt Bike,

> Dirt Rider, MX Action, Racer X that didn't recommend taking it out.

While

> always stating that it provides for better air flow, they have

defended the move

> if for no other reason than to thumb your nose at the safetycrats -

the only

> reason the screen is there is because some puke in DC decided we

needed to worry

> about an engine backfire setting the air filter on fire. It ain't

there to

> prevent anything from falling into the carb, it's there as a spark

arrestor for

> a backfire. > > While I've never been a chopper fan, I do believe in their basic

philosophy,

> if you don't need it to get from point A to point B, toss it. > > Pat > G'ville, Nv > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Pat, that's a disgusting response, you out-of-control rebel...LOL! Thad Carey A15 (Barbie, thumbing her nose at authority)

[myuhas2002]

Put a picture in the photo section named "It Fits". Just thought someone out there might get a kick out of it. BTW, both doors closed and it travelled fine. Ride Safe