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[rob]

Guys, how did I get cast as anti-front brake?? All I mean is that there may be a situation, albeit rare, where the rear brake might yield better results. I'm not advocating front brake removal. I agree with everything that's been said about the virtues of the front brake. gtx wrote:

> here here > the front brake like someone said earlier is the main brake to hit to shed > speed, upon application you're front suspension compresses and with that > weight transferal you're front tyre has more grip. > The trick is cadence braking, which means pumping the front brake and > simulating ABS,ie as soon as the front wheel locks' momentarily ease off the > front brake then quickly reapply. > I have done this driving and riding and found it to be very effective in > adverse conditions > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob" > Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 10:09 PM > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR Don't use front brake??? > > > I can't believe that you can't believe what I believe is somewhat > > believable!!!!!! > > > > Unbelievable!! > > > > atomic wrote: > > > > > hey all: > > > > > > i can't believe i'm hearing all this nonsense. you use BOTH brakes for > max > > > braking power, and modulate/vary the pressure as necessary. > > > > > > -rob > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: squidwannabe@... [mailto:squidwannabe@...] > > > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 1:16 PM > > > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR Don't use front brake??? > > > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., Rob wrote: > > > > I guess the trick is, if you use the front brake, to modulate your > > > brakes for > > > > the situation. I know from a lot of mountain bike racing that in > > > some conditions > > > > you don't touch the front brake. In others, the front and back > > > together ( in > > > > varying proportions and not always static) can work way better than > > > just the > > > > back brake. If Mark says he could only use the back, I believe him. > > > > > > > > Ride paranoid. - Rob > > > > > > > > Steve Pye wrote: > > > > > > " I believe him. " > > > > > > I don't. You'd be surprised how much grip you can get on wet roads. > > > In my experience I can use the front brakes until the front tire > > > skids, let off and It'll be fine. As stated "to modulate your brakes > > > for the situation" > > > > > > I'm not trying to be rude but using only the rear brake is OH so > > > wrong. > > > If you use the rear brake only on the street, especially in a panic > > > stop, you are looking for trouble. > > > Also, If you are just grabbing a fist ful of brake and holding your > > > breath you are also looking for trouble. > > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > > > > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > > > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > > > > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > > > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Martin Fletchall]

Good grief Rob... You'd think you's talkin bout someone's mama or something! -----Original Message----- From: MWeaver@... [mailto:MWeaver@...] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 1:21 PM To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR Don't use front brake???

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., squidwannabe@h... wrote: > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., Rob wrote: > > I guess the trick is, if you use the front brake, to modulate your > brakes for > > the situation. I know from a lot of mountain bike racing that in > some conditions > > you don't touch the front brake. In others, the front and back > together ( in > > varying proportions and not always static) can work way better than > just the > > back brake. If Mark says he could only use the back, I believe him. using only the back brake is pretty stupid. there are very few situations where NO front brake is a good thing if you want to slow down quickly. of course there are LOTS of situations where too much front brake is disastrous. it seems that not everyone has the reactions or skill or whatever to avoid locking up the front brake. mw Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: http://www.dualsportnews.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Tengai650]

At 8:20 PM +0000 7/19/01, MWeaver@... wrote:

> it seems that not everyone has the >reactions or skill or whatever to avoid locking up the front brake.

Maybe that's why Kawa made the KLR with a lame front brake. Bwahahhhh! I crack myself up. Anyway, I use both brakes, even on freakin' snow. Mark B2 A2 A3

[West Hovland]

If you are afraid to use the front brake in any situation (excluding ice rinks and basketball courts covered with cooking oil), then you need to practice more before you stick yourself in traffic. Those of you whom crash routinely are driving up my insurance rates. Sorry in advance if I have insulted someone, West

[PRBKLR@cs.com]

The MSF course I took highly advocated the use of the front brake more often than the back brake, and in emergency situations to use both, with the majority of the pressure applied to the front brake. This is something we practiced in class...fairly high speed emergency stop without locking up the rear wheel. I was fortunate enough to be there on a rainy day and can attest that using the front brake was not a problem. I also try to periodically get out in differing weather conditions and practice emergency manuvers such as this to keep myself acclimated to how my bike responds. Call me paranoid but it just might save my life one day... Paul Frisco, TX A13 squidwannabe@... wrote:

>--- In DSN_klr650@y..., Rob wrote: >> I guess the trick is, if you use the front brake, to modulate your >brakes for >> the situation. I know from a lot of mountain bike racing that in >some conditions >> you don't touch the front brake. In others, the front and back >together ( in >> varying proportions and not always static) can work way better than >just the >> back brake. If Mark says he could only use the back, I believe him. >> >> Ride paranoid. - Rob >> >> Steve Pye wrote: > >" I believe him. " > >I don't. You'd be surprised how much grip you can get on wet roads. >In my experience I can use the front brakes until the front tire >skids, let off and It'll be fine. As stated "to modulate your brakes >for the situation" > >I'm not trying to be rude but using only the rear brake is OH so >wrong. >If you use the rear brake only on the street, especially in a panic >stop, you are looking for trouble. >Also, If you are just grabbing a fist ful of brake and holding your >breath you are also looking for trouble. > > > > >Visit the KLR650 archives at >http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > >Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com >Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com >Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > >Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: >http://www.dualsportnews.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[Ted Palmer]

gtx wrote: [...]

> The trick is cadence braking, which means pumping the front brake and > simulating ABS,ie as soon as the front wheel locks' momentarily ease off the > front brake then quickly reapply.

I had something do that automatically for me: a badly manufactured disc. The damn thing made the brake lever pulse and the front suspension pogo. Sad to say it was aussie made. But if you want a speed sensitive psuedo-ABS, there it is, or rather "was". Mister_T Melbourne Australia

[Susan Moorhead]

I respectfully disagree. I have personally experienced a situation where only training and reaction saved me and the bike from a certain serious crash. I did not have time to think about what to do, it just happened. Using the rear brake only I was able to use the rear brake to help "steer" the bike around a pickup truck that had pulled out from my right directly in front of me. By "steering" the bike in this fashion, I was able to avoid T-boning this guy and the crash & burn that would have gone with it. I don't believe that there is any one technique that will work best in all situations. Only experience and maybe training will teach you what works best for a particular situation. Just my .02 worth. Marshall in Afton, Ok '95 KLXC3 "Blackhorse" ( in honor of those who served)

----- Original Message ----- From: To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 3:15 PM Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR Don't use front brake??? > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., Rob wrote: > > I guess the trick is, if you use the front brake, to modulate your > brakes for > > the situation. I know from a lot of mountain bike racing that in > some conditions > > you don't touch the front brake. In others, the front and back > together ( in > > varying proportions and not always static) can work way better than > just the > > back brake. If Mark says he could only use the back, I believe him. > > > > Ride paranoid. - Rob > > > > Steve Pye wrote: > > " I believe him. " > > I don't. You'd be surprised how much grip you can get on wet roads. > In my experience I can use the front brakes until the front tire > skids, let off and It'll be fine. As stated "to modulate your brakes > for the situation" > > I'm not trying to be rude but using only the rear brake is OH so > wrong. > If you use the rear brake only on the street, especially in a panic > stop, you are looking for trouble. > Also, If you are just grabbing a fist ful of brake and holding your > breath you are also looking for trouble. > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >

[Susan Moorhead]

Dan, Don't know if I'll ever be too old to throw a leg over, but sounds like you guys had a great trip. I'll be going through part of CO next year on the way to Moab, guess that will have to do. Great report, thanks for the info, just wish I could have been there. Marshall in Afton, Ok '95 KLXC3 "Blackhorse" (in honor of those who served)

----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Oaks To: KLR Group DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com>; Colorado-Dualsporters Colorado-Dualsporters@egroups.com>; DR Egroup DSN_DR@yahoogroups.com>; wdsrc Group wdsrc@yahoogroups.com>; xt225 group xt225serow@yahoogroups.com>; Rex Hefferan Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 10:13 PM Subject: [DSN_klr650] Colorado Ride > Three of us geezers just got back (FL, OH, OR) from four days of riding > the back country of Colorado. We're all impressed! > > Here's how it worked: > > Trucked the bikes cross country to Colorado Springs. (4000 miles round > trip in a comfy Tundra and 3000 in a big Dodge diesel 4 wheel) > > Stayed at Rex and Karla Hefferan's AwareNest Victorian Bed & Breakfast > in Colorado Springs: > http://www.awarenest.com > A great place for riders and bikes. Most comfortable, relaxed, and homey > adventure headquarters you could possibly find. A great place to come > back to after exploring the gold mining territories around Pikes Peak. > Even a secure place to park the bikes at night. Be sure to try out the > miracle chair after a day's ride. > > We put Rex to work to guide us to some through some of the great dirt > roads, abandoned railroad beds, and single trails around Colorado > Springs. Visited a couple of the watering holes along the way. Saw some > magnificent scenery, bounced off a few rocks and trees, and generally > reconfirmed why they're called the Rockies. > > Again it was confirmed that the Garmin Roads & Recreation maps might > show you all the dirt roads, but the real ride starts where you trace > new lines on the screen. We have proven it to ourselves in both Oregon > and Colorado. > > And Colorado is the most two and four wheel friendly place I've seen > yet. Trails run off many of the dirt roads that are marked "for > motorcycles, ATV's, and mountain bikes". Nice to see the mountain bikers > included with the motorized wheelers. > > We rode KLR650's, DR650, and XT225. All performed extremely well. Bent a > few things, broke a few things, but no flats and no debilitating damage > or injuries. > > If you own a two wheeler, and have never gone on an adventure like this, > I recommend you do it before you're too old to toss your leg over the > saddle. And you couldn't find a better place to do it than from Rex and > Karla's place. > > I'll post a more thorough report and pictures on my dirtly site as soon > as I get my breath. > > -- > Dan (BIERDO) Oaks, President > Formtech Services, Inc. >