klr vs xr650l - nklr

[Joshua Sammons]

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Oaks" To: "Swede" Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: Environmental rant (NKLR?) > > > Swede wrote: > > > One cannot have good data when one has started taking it in the > > middle or end of the experiment. Only half of the data is given, > > and no one knows the true baseline. If information is only doled > > out half way, it can be manipulated any way you want. I'm tired > > of hearing someone yell FIRE in the opera house. > > > > When one sided, miguided "science" is preached from the pulpit of > > misdirection - it becomes religion to the uninformed. > > > > "Swede" > > Here, here! > > Good'n, Swede! > > -- > bierdo > > We get our morals from books. I didn't get mine from books, but I know that > morals do come from books-theoretically, at least. -- Mark Twain > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[Joshua Sammons]

So instead of better safe than sorry, we'll let it all go to shit so it's too late. I love how everyone preaches about how we need to have our cars, polluting electric plants, etc... but we don't give a crap about the people and the countrys that go below sea level if global warming continues. What about all the people who ride their motorcycles on those islands? Are you guys going to bring them all here? josh

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Oaks" To: "Swede" Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: Environmental rant (NKLR?) > > > Swede wrote: > > > One cannot have good data when one has started taking it in the > > middle or end of the experiment. Only half of the data is given, > > and no one knows the true baseline. If information is only doled > > out half way, it can be manipulated any way you want. I'm tired > > of hearing someone yell FIRE in the opera house. > > > > When one sided, miguided "science" is preached from the pulpit of > > misdirection - it becomes religion to the uninformed. > > > > "Swede" > > Here, here! > > Good'n, Swede! > > -- > bierdo > > We get our morals from books. I didn't get mine from books, but I know that > morals do come from books-theoretically, at least. -- Mark Twain > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[Juan Carlos Ibarra]

> I dont count animals in population estimates... they dont get to > vote. We control them, as it should be. In fact I regularly eat them. > And yes, by the way I hunt for sport.

I wasn't counting animals either We do not control anything, not animals, not the environment, not the government. We are animals and are controlled by Nature and follow ALL of the natural laws, whether you like it or not . Being in control is just a childish fantasy, dude. There will be a lot of animals around once our chance is over. And it will be over, that is the nature of things around here, ask Mr. Dyno, whose remains you so gladly consume. I don't hate you, man. Hate kills beauty too. Juan

[Juan Carlos Ibarra]

My friend, you will be terribly dissapointed. In Mexico, illegal cutting is the second biggest national problem, the first being drugs. Clandestine loggers here carry machine guns. The core of my work deals with this issue, and I have to report that we are loosing the war big time. Juan

----- Original Message ----- From: George Basinet To: Juan Carlos Ibarra Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Environmental rant (NKLR?) > > > Juan Carlos Ibarra wrote: > > > You got it all wrong dude. Environmental problems are not the problems of > > the Earth, they are the problems of man. Of course the Earth can regenerate, > > it has millions of years to do that. The issue lies elsewhere. > > Juan, > > When I went to Copper Canyon I saw a lot of lumber mills and logging trucks. I > didn't see any evidence that they were 'clear' cutting. Interesting. I'm going > back in May so I'll look again. It would be interesting if the Mexican lumber > companies were more environmentally attuned than we are. > > George > Escondido, CA >

[guymanbro@excite.com]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Joshua Sammons" wrote:

> So instead of better safe than sorry, we'll let it all go to shit

so it's too late. I love how everyone preaches about how we need to have our cars,polluting electric plants, etc... but we don't give a crap about the people and the countrys that go below sea level if global warming continues. What about all the people who ride their motorcycles on those islands? Are you guys going to bring them all here?

> > josh >

Yeah, all bikers welcome, cagers will be exported en masse to said underwater islands. So sayeth the bum dat brooklyn bum (how about mandating motorcycles and outlawing vehicles with more than 3 wheels without a special permit - that oughta help reduce our volcanic emissions...can't help with the farting in LA thing though - maybe blow up all the mexicali joints around?)

[Robert T. Heywood]

Ha, right on!! Joshua Sammons wrote:

> So instead of better safe than sorry, we'll let it all go to shit so it's > too late. I love how everyone preaches about how we need to have our cars, > polluting electric plants, etc... but we don't give a crap about the people > and the countrys that go below sea level if global warming continues. What > about all the people who ride their motorcycles on those islands? Are you > guys going to bring them all here? > > josh > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Oaks" > To: "Swede" > Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 10:07 PM > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: Environmental rant (NKLR?) > > > > > > > Swede wrote: > > > > > One cannot have good data when one has started taking it in the > > > middle or end of the experiment. Only half of the data is given, > > > and no one knows the true baseline. If information is only doled > > > out half way, it can be manipulated any way you want. I'm tired > > > of hearing someone yell FIRE in the opera house. > > > > > > When one sided, miguided "science" is preached from the pulpit of > > > misdirection - it becomes religion to the uninformed. > > > > > > "Swede" > > > > Here, here! > > > > Good'n, Swede! > > > > -- > > bierdo > > > > We get our morals from books. I didn't get mine from books, but I know > that > > morals do come from books-theoretically, at least. -- Mark Twain > > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Bogdan Swider]

> . > > To me it is very obvious that what you say makes sense to an American > (most > likley caucasian) male, >

Juan, I hope/trust the worst is over. We want to see you in Moab salvo y sano. Since engaging in controversy seems to be part of your regimen of recuperation I'll cross swords with you. American Caucasian Male. Hmmm......We all agree that there are some categories of people that we don't have to descend to stereotypes or easy conventional thinking to vilify. It's just so obvious. Not so with Mexico and Mexicans. Many on the list have never seen Mexico or just a bit of it; since I've been to all Mexican states, save two or three, I'll fill you all in. As soon as you cross the border you'll notice something wonderful that continues from Sonora to Chiapas. The country is free of garbage. The descendents of Cuatemoc don't crap in there own nest. There is the problem of the strain of blood that flows from the likes of Cortez who deflowered the Eden that was the Aztec Empire; he was after all Caucasian and last I heard, male. But forget that, Let's talk about the vast tracts of land that the Mexicans have set aside as national parks. No fear of paved roads or tawdry development there. Unlike Dubya, Vicente Fox would not dare mess with the Mexican's clean water which is a national treasure. When you're there go to the nearest faucet and pour yourself a big, delicious glass. Same with clean air, go to the capital, walk the famous Avenida Reforma and savor a nice deep breath. You'll find little traffic there because Mexicans, blancos, morenos or morenos claros don't pollute the environment with vehicles like American Caucasians. I could go on about the lack of sprawl and other environmental marvels but you get the picture. Nothing is perfect though, the Mexican paradise can't help but be effected by their nasty, belching neighbor to the North which they avoid by the millions. P. Diaz their President about a hundred years ago, freely elected of course, is said to have said, " Poor Mexico so far from God, so close to the United States." Bogdan

[richardm@gowinnt.com]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., Bogdan Swider wrote:

> clean air, go to the capital, walk the famous Avenida Reforma and

savor a

> nice deep breath. You'll find little traffic there because Mexicans, > blancos, morenos or morenos claros don't pollute the environment

with

> vehicles like American Caucasians.

Mexico City? We are thinking of the same Mexico City, right? RM

[Bogdan Swider]

> Anyway, I regret writing the caucasian thing, it was bad style (specially > since half of my family and my fair skinned girlfriend are included in > that > segment, and specially since I myself can afford - barely - a nice bike) > ...it made people focus on that instead of what was really important : > WHAT > ARE WE DOING TO STOP THIS MESS??? > > Juan > > In that case there's not much about what you said I'd take issue with. > What ever differences stand out would probably turn out to be semantic. > What to do ? That's the rub because you can always make things worse. Last > night I read an long article on the world health crisis. The author, Helen > Epstein, opinioned that the main problems are not the ones that make the > news like the Ebola virus. The greatest tragedies are the result of old > fashion causes like bad sanitation and bad choices that people make (AIDS, > alcoholism). These conditions and choices are caused and heightened, > obviously, by poverty. She believes that well meaning policies by the IMF > and World Bank often degrade the situation. My daughter living in Capetown > SA, and who is working on her Ph.D. on development policies agrees. I'm > no banking, development or poverty expert; I simply am curious and > concerned. A century ago many in the intellectual community also thought > the world was in a mess and that something urgent had to be done. > Something urgent was tried and we got Nazism and Communism which murdered > 100 million people and incidentally also trashed the environment to an > unprecedented degree. It was interesting that Epstein offered no solutions > just pointed out problem after problem. That doesn't mean that we should > do nothing but in my opinion we should be humble and realistic about the > knowledge we hold, especially theoretical knowledge. Bogdan > > >

[Dan Oaks]

He's speaking facetiously! 8^) -- bierdo richardm@... wrote:

> > > Mexico City? We are thinking of the same Mexico City, right?