george basinet

[Skypilot]

I just swapped out the Pirelli mt21 rally tires for my winter commuting Kenda 270s. I could not break the rear bead which bothered me. If it happened on the trail, and it has before, I wouldent be able to fix the tube. Grrr I used my standard heavy duty tire equipment to break it, set it on some 2x4s in front of the jeep. put the 18 inch piece of 2x2 I use for holding up the non kickstand side of the bike next to the bead and put a long bit of wood under the jeep bumper and on top of the 18 inch piece. use the lever to push down. This always works. The problem is that I may not have long bits of wood or a jeep bumper in the woods. fallen trees and branches work fine here but are fewer and further between in other places. In the woods the 18 incher would also be holding the bike up. Houston, we have a problem! I need a bead breaker that fits in the tire kit and weighs little enough that I can take it on off road rallies. Any ideas or recomendations?

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Khoury wrote: > > I've always ordered my tires and mounted/balanced them myself. I do it with 3 8" tire irons and elbow grease, however I do use the Harbor Freight bead breaker on the tubeless radials on the 'strom. > > But I'm a cheap bastard, and it makes me feel more "connected" with my bike. > > -Jeff Khoury > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Francisco" > To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 8:19:24 AM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] motorcycle superstore > > > > > > > Had an encounter with a short drywall screw recently that left me and my > GS450 stranded. Since a new tire was also on the horizon for the KLR650, I > have been browsing tires and settled on Motorcycle Superstore for my > purchases since they have such a large selection of sizes listed and also > reader reviews. The GS450 takes 90/90-18 front and 110/90-18 rear. Most > stores don't stock the rear, which was the one that picked up the drywall > screw. > > I picked a TKC 80 for the next KLR front after reading some of these > reviews. Most proclaim the grip to be excellent on and off pavement. One in > particular claimed 10k miles on the front of a 1200GS, so that's worth > trying for on a KLR. Orders over $100 get free shipping. That's one good > tire and a tube . That was yesterday and they are shipping today so they > had the items in stock as well. Online stores take note. > > http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/2/29/393/14858/ITEM/Continental-TKC-80-Twinduro-Dual-Sport-Front-Tire.aspx?WT.ac=SLIsearch > > Now to reacquaint myself with my tire irons and arm and shoulder muscles > I was initially just going to replace the tube on the GS450 but after > seeing a date code of 3305 (Aug 05) on the S11 and having a heck of a time > spooning it off the rim, I knew I could not justify remounting the tire > despite having ample tread remaining. I've just been getting tires from the > local shop who charge more but mount and balance free, so thought I'd > upgrade the tires and do the labor myself to offset the cost. Not exactly > my idea of fun though. > -- > ian > http://www.scarletfuries.com > http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Scarlet-Furies/121218125931 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Eddie]

Check out the tools section of www.aerostich.com . They have a heavy duty plastic, portable bead popper that resembles a giant toy chisel. Heck, Fred may even have these! Fred? The idea is one places the blunt-ish blade against the tire bead and hits the top of the thing with a hammer, log, rock - what have you. eddie

> [Original Message] > From: Skypilot

(snip)> I need a bead breaker that fits in the tire kit and weighs little enough that I can take it on off road rallies. Any ideas or recomendations?

[Fred Hink]

Yes, I have those. They come in black and blue, to match the color of your fingers when you miss-hit it with a rock. Fred www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: eddie Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 8:06 AM To: KLR650 list Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Breakign beads Check out the tools section of www.aerostich.com . They have a heavy duty plastic, portable bead popper that resembles a giant toy chisel. Heck, Fred may even have these! Fred? The idea is one places the blunt-ish blade against the tire bead and hits the top of the thing with a hammer, log, rock - what have you. eddie

> [Original Message] > From: Skypilot

(snip)> I need a bead breaker that fits in the tire kit and weighs little enough that I can take it on off road rallies. Any ideas or recomendations? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[David Nichols]

Motorcycle Consumer News tested a number of portable bead breakers in the July 2010 issue. Here is their article (Acrobat PDF file): http://www.mcnews.com/mcn/model_eval/2010JulyBdBrkrs.pdf ________________________________ From: Skypilot To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 7:15 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Breakign beads I just swapped out the Pirelli mt21 rally tires for my winter commuting Kenda 270s. I could not break the rear bead which bothered me. If it happened on the trail, and it has before, I wouldent be able to fix the tube. Grrr I used my standard heavy duty tire equipment to break it, set it on some 2x4s in front of the jeep. put the 18 inch piece of 2x2 I use for holding up the non kickstand side of the bike next to the bead and put a long bit of wood under the jeep bumper and on top of the 18 inch piece. use the lever to push down. This always works. The problem is that I may not have long bits of wood or a jeep bumper in the woods. fallen trees and branches work fine here but are fewer and further between in other places. In the woods the 18 incher would also be holding the bike up. Houston, we have a problem! I need a bead breaker that fits in the tire kit and weighs little enough that I can take it on off road rallies. Any ideas or recomendations?

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Khoury wrote: > > I've always ordered my tires and mounted/balanced them myself. I do it with 3 8" tire irons and elbow grease, however I do use the Harbor Freight bead breaker on the tubeless radials on the 'strom. > > But I'm a cheap bastard, and it makes me feel more "connected" with my bike. > > -Jeff Khoury > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Francisco" > To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 8:19:24 AM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] motorcycle superstore > > > > > > > Had an encounter with a short drywall screw recently that left me and my > GS450 stranded. Since a new tire was also on the horizon for the KLR650, I > have been browsing tires and settled on Motorcycle Superstore for my > purchases since they have such a large selection of sizes listed and also > reader reviews. The GS450 takes 90/90-18 front and 110/90-18 rear. Most > stores don't stock the rear, which was the one that picked up the drywall > screw. > > I picked a TKC 80 for the next KLR front after reading some of these > reviews. Most proclaim the grip to be excellent on and off pavement. One in > particular claimed 10k miles on the front of a 1200GS, so that's worth > trying for on a KLR. Orders over $100 get free shipping. That's one good > tire and a tube . That was yesterday and they are shipping today so they > had the items in stock as well. Online stores take note. > > http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/2/29/393/14858/ITEM/Continental-TKC-80-Twinduro-Dual-Sport-Front-Tire.aspx?WT.ac=SLIsearch > > Now to reacquaint myself with my tire irons and arm and shoulder muscles > I was initially just going to replace the tube on the GS450 but after > seeing a date code of 3305 (Aug 05) on the S11 and having a heck of a time > spooning it off the rim, I knew I could not justify remounting the tire > despite having ample tread remaining. I've just been getting tires from the > local shop who charge more but mount and balance free, so thought I'd > upgrade the tires and do the labor myself to offset the cost. Not exactly > my idea of fun though. > -- > ian > http://www.scarletfuries.com > http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Scarlet-Furies/121218125931 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Eddie]

The Tyre pliers gizmo looks promising! Lighter weight than most and efficient. Although having a flat on the trail might induce the urge to hit something repeated with a rock. In that case, the Motion-Pro bead popper would serve two purposes. eddie

> [Original Message] > From: David Nichols > To: Skypilot ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com

DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>

> Date: 2/15/2012 10:14:10 AM > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Breakign beads > > Motorcycle Consumer News tested a number of portable bead breakers in the

July 2010 issue. Here is their article (Acrobat PDF file):

> http://www.mcnews.com/mcn/model_eval/2010JulyBdBrkrs.pdf > >

[Jeff Khoury]

Use a large C clamp or the Harbor Freight motorcycle bead breaker.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Skypilot" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 5:15:55 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Breakign beads I just swapped out the Pirelli mt21 rally tires for my winter commuting Kenda 270s. I could not break the rear bead which bothered me. If it happened on the trail, and it has before, I wouldent be able to fix the tube. Grrr I used my standard heavy duty tire equipment to break it, set it on some 2x4s in front of the jeep. put the 18 inch piece of 2x2 I use for holding up the non kickstand side of the bike next to the bead and put a long bit of wood under the jeep bumper and on top of the 18 inch piece. use the lever to push down. This always works. The problem is that I may not have long bits of wood or a jeep bumper in the woods. fallen trees and branches work fine here but are fewer and further between in other places. In the woods the 18 incher would also be holding the bike up. Houston, we have a problem! I need a bead breaker that fits in the tire kit and weighs little enough that I can take it on off road rallies. Any ideas or recomendations? --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , Jeff Khoury wrote: > > I've always ordered my tires and mounted/balanced them myself. I do it with 3 8" tire irons and elbow grease, however I do use the Harbor Freight bead breaker on the tubeless radials on the 'strom. > > But I'm a cheap bastard, and it makes me feel more "connected" with my bike. > > -Jeff Khoury > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Francisco" > To: "DSN KLR650" < DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 8:19:24 AM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] motorcycle superstore > > > > > > > Had an encounter with a short drywall screw recently that left me and my > GS450 stranded. Since a new tire was also on the horizon for the KLR650, I > have been browsing tires and settled on Motorcycle Superstore for my > purchases since they have such a large selection of sizes listed and also > reader reviews. The GS450 takes 90/90-18 front and 110/90-18 rear. Most > stores don't stock the rear, which was the one that picked up the drywall > screw. > > I picked a TKC 80 for the next KLR front after reading some of these > reviews. Most proclaim the grip to be excellent on and off pavement. One in > particular claimed 10k miles on the front of a 1200GS, so that's worth > trying for on a KLR. Orders over $100 get free shipping. That's one good > tire and a tube . That was yesterday and they are shipping today so they > had the items in stock as well. Online stores take note. > > http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/2/29/393/14858/ITEM/Continental-TKC-80-Twinduro-Dual-Sport-Front-Tire.aspx?WT.ac=SLIsearch > > Now to reacquaint myself with my tire irons and arm and shoulder muscles > I was initially just going to replace the tube on the GS450 but after > seeing a date code of 3305 (Aug 05) on the S11 and having a heck of a time > spooning it off the rim, I knew I could not justify remounting the tire > despite having ample tread remaining. I've just been getting tires from the > local shop who charge more but mount and balance free, so thought I'd > upgrade the tires and do the labor myself to offset the cost. Not exactly > my idea of fun though. > -- > ian > http://www.scarletfuries.com > http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Scarlet-Furies/121218125931 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Eckert, Christopher (Infrastructure Solut]

Did I mention those are really long off road rallies and I need to carry all my tools, camp gear, food and water? I am probably going with the Tyrepliers from Extreme Outback Products, www.extremeoutback.com. They are heavier than the Motion Pro Bead Popper, http://www.motionpro.com/, but dont require a hammer or big rock. More important they work with the wheel mounted. pull the tube part way out, patch, inflate, off we go again. Means I get to camp in time for dinner and a bear I like the article sent earlier and recomend it as a read on the topic http://www.mcnews.com/mcn/model_eval/2010JulyBdBrkrs.pdf -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Khoury [mailto:jeff@...] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 10:58 AM To: Eckert, Christopher (Infrastructure Solutions Dept.) Cc: DSN KLR650 Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Breakign beads Use a large C clamp or the Harbor Freight motorcycle bead breaker. ************************************************************ This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. ************************************************************

[Eckert, Christopher (Infrastructure Solut]

Besides, I already carry way too much stuff http://skypilot.smugmug.com/Other/Roamingrally2011/i-mJBg2bX/0/XL/DSC01120-XL.jpg ************************************************************ This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. ************************************************************

[Horton Oliphant]

You must be one tough SOB to have a bear with dinner. Alan On 2/15/2012 11:32 AM, Eckert, Christopher (Infrastructure Solutions Dept.) wrote:

> > Did I mention those are really long off road rallies and I need to > carry all my tools, camp gear, food and water? I am probably going > with the Tyrepliers from Extreme Outback Products, > www.extremeoutback.com. They are heavier than the Motion Pro Bead > Popper, http://www.motionpro.com/, but dont require a hammer or big > rock. More important they work with the wheel mounted. pull the tube > part way out, patch, inflate, off we go again. Means I get to camp in > time for dinner and a bear >

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[Jud]

I haven't yet read all the replies that will precede this response, but my advice would be to learn how to break the bead with your tire levers. There are two methods that I know of. One calls for a spoon, so there should be at least one in your kit of three levers. Work the head of the spoon between the rim and the bead; using another tool through the looped handle, twist the spoon so the head forces the bead away from the rim. Move the lever over a bit and repeat. Some WD40, or if necessary some water as lube will help the process. The other method uses three levers laid close alongside one another with the heads under the rim. Push the sidewall down with the outer two, and lever up with the center one to push the bead away from the rim. With both of these methods, the bead wants to stick to the wheel, so you have to be patient at first and work a little bit at a time. pretty soon the bead will begin to stand away from the rim when you relax pressure. Keep at it and it will soon come free. As I said, a lubricant helps immensely. It also helps if you use talc instead of soap to mount your tires. The toughest beads to break are the ones that are glued to the rim by dried soap. I was frustrated by one of these a couple of years ago and resorted to extreme measures, but I think the levers would have prevailed even then had I persisted. As Chief Dan George says in "Josey Wales":"Endeavor to persevere." At any rate, I feel no need to carry a bead breaker in the field.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Skypilot" wrote: > > I just swapped out the Pirelli mt21 rally tires for my winter commuting Kenda 270s. I could not break the rear bead which bothered me. If it happened on the trail, and it has before, I wouldent be able to fix the tube. Grrr > > I used my standard heavy duty tire equipment to break it, set it on some 2x4s in front of the jeep. put the 18 inch piece of 2x2 I use for holding up the non kickstand side of the bike next to the bead and put a long bit of wood under the jeep bumper and on top of the 18 inch piece. use the lever to push down. This always works. > > The problem is that I may not have long bits of wood or a jeep bumper in the woods. fallen trees and branches work fine here but are fewer and further between in other places. In the woods the 18 incher would also be holding the bike up. Houston, we have a problem! > > I need a bead breaker that fits in the tire kit and weighs little enough that I can take it on off road rallies. Any ideas or recomendations? > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Khoury wrote: > > > > I've always ordered my tires and mounted/balanced them myself. I do it with 3 8" tire irons and elbow grease, however I do use the Harbor Freight bead breaker on the tubeless radials on the 'strom. > > > > But I'm a cheap bastard, and it makes me feel more "connected" with my bike. > > > > -Jeff Khoury > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ian Francisco" > > To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 8:19:24 AM > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] motorcycle superstore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Had an encounter with a short drywall screw recently that left me and my > > GS450 stranded. Since a new tire was also on the horizon for the KLR650, I > > have been browsing tires and settled on Motorcycle Superstore for my > > purchases since they have such a large selection of sizes listed and also > > reader reviews. The GS450 takes 90/90-18 front and 110/90-18 rear. Most > > stores don't stock the rear, which was the one that picked up the drywall > > screw. > > > > I picked a TKC 80 for the next KLR front after reading some of these > > reviews. Most proclaim the grip to be excellent on and off pavement. One in > > particular claimed 10k miles on the front of a 1200GS, so that's worth > > trying for on a KLR. Orders over $100 get free shipping. That's one good > > tire and a tube . That was yesterday and they are shipping today so they > > had the items in stock as well. Online stores take note. > > > > http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/2/29/393/14858/ITEM/Continental-TKC-80-Twinduro-Dual-Sport-Front-Tire.aspx?WT.ac=SLIsearch > > > > Now to reacquaint myself with my tire irons and arm and shoulder muscles > > I was initially just going to replace the tube on the GS450 but after > > seeing a date code of 3305 (Aug 05) on the S11 and having a heck of a time > > spooning it off the rim, I knew I could not justify remounting the tire > > despite having ample tread remaining. I've just been getting tires from the > > local shop who charge more but mount and balance free, so thought I'd > > upgrade the tires and do the labor myself to offset the cost. Not exactly > > my idea of fun though. > > -- > > ian > > http://www.scarletfuries.com > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Scarlet-Furies/121218125931 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >