rocks over the edge

[Fred Hink]

Attachments : I have downloaded a few new applications that you can check out on the web site.   These Beta applications are new to YAHOO! and some will have "bugs" but Yahoo is working on fixing them.   Be patient if you find that something isn't working correctly right now. I hope these and the other additions to our message board enhances your experiences here. Fred List Admin. [img]cid:6333F37B9A6C448F83F7F767C3AF4F56@arrowheadshop[/img]    

[k650]

Just so you know as plain text your message would have been about 4k in size. Now that you allow HTML it has increased along with the picture 7,700%. This list will become almost unusable for the dialup crowd. Walt From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hink Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 1:17 PM To: KLR List Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Applications (Beta Testing) I have downloaded a few new applications that you can check out on the web site. These Beta applications are new to YAHOO! and some will have "bugs" but Yahoo is working on fixing them. Be patient if you find that something isn't working correctly right now. I hope these and the other additions to our message board enhances your experiences here. Fred List Admin.

[Fred Hink]

For all the naysayers, I have one question, Did you vote in the attachment Poll? I only act according to what the majority wants. If you want to drum up support to have HTML turned back off, go knock yourself out. Just vote on the poll that was created last week. http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/surveys?id=2922057 As of today, there are 61% of this list's voters that wanted to have attachments sent to them by email, 35% wanted attachments stored on the web site and only 2% that wanted no attachments at all. Members on dialup can always read the list's messages by going to the web site. If you have any suggestions, I am open for anything. Fred

----- Original Message ----- From: "k650" To: "'Fred Hink'" ; "'KLR List'" DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 12:23 PM Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Applications (Beta Testing) Just so you know as plain text your message would have been about 4k in size. Now that you allow HTML it has increased along with the picture 7,700%. This list will become almost unusable for the dialup crowd. Walt From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hink Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 1:17 PM To: KLR List Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Applications (Beta Testing) I have downloaded a few new applications that you can check out on the web site. These Beta applications are new to YAHOO! and some will have "bugs" but Yahoo is working on fixing them. Be patient if you find that something isn't working correctly right now. I hope these and the other additions to our message board enhances your experiences here. Fred List Admin.

[k650]

Actually your poll asked "Would you like the option of viewing or sending pictures as an attachment to your messages?" What you have done is change from plain text only without attachments to HTML and allowing attachments. So far the pictures posted with the messages were not true attachments but embedded in the HTML. If it was still plain text and allowing attachments the user could have the option not to download the attachment. I have no idea if you could set Yahoo up that way though but that is really what you asked. I currently have no problem with bandwidth. I do know others do. The majority of users also have no problem with bandwidth. Should the majority rule? Should the majority be selfish and get what they want because they can even though they don't need it and alienate the minority who either cannot afford or cannot get high speed internet? Reading the mail on the web is slower so that is not an answer. Another thing is that mobile email is finally becoming affordable. As the list was someone could keep up with the list while on a trip on those lonely rainy nights in their tent if they have mobile email. With the current change the bandwidth usage would eliminate that option unless they had an expensive unlimited plan. Fred, you have to be a leader and give us what we should have not what we want... Like the great leaders of the good old USA do. Walt (ducking for cover)

> -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Fred Hink > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 2:45 PM > To: k650; 'KLR List' > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Applications (Beta Testing) > > For all the naysayers, I have one question, Did you vote in the > attachment > Poll? > I only act according to what the majority wants. If you want to drum > up > support to have HTML turned back off, go knock yourself out. Just vote > on > the poll that was created last week. > http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/surveys?id=2922057 > As of today, there are 61% of this list's voters that wanted to have > attachments sent to them by email, 35% wanted attachments stored on the > web > site and only 2% that wanted no attachments at all. > > Members on dialup can always read the list's messages by going to the > web > site. > If you have any suggestions, I am open for anything. > > Fred >

[Jeff Khoury]

#ygrps-yiv-1993038526 p {margin:0;}Personally I don't mind... but I have bandwidth coming out of my... I agree with Walt... we need a benevolent dictator.  -Jeff Khoury Astatic Solutions, LLC.

----- Original Message ----- From: "k650" To: "Fred Hink" , "KLR List" DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 12:26:08 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Applications (Beta Testing)   Actually your poll asked "Would you like the option of viewing or sending pictures as an attachment to your messages?" What you have done is change from plain text only without attachments to HTML and allowing attachments. So far the pictures posted with the messages were not true attachments but embedded in the HTML. If it was still plain text and allowing attachments the user could have the option not to download the attachment. I have no idea if you could set Yahoo up that way though but that is really what you asked. I currently have no problem with bandwidth. I do know others do. The majority of users also have no problem with bandwidth. Should the majority rule? Should the majority be selfish and get what they want because they can even though they don't need it and alienate the minority who either cannot afford or cannot get high speed internet? Reading the mail on the web is slower so that is not an answer. Another thing is that mobile email is finally becoming affordable. As the list was someone could keep up with the list while on a trip on those lonely rainy nights in their tent if they have mobile email. With the current change the bandwidth usage would eliminate that option unless they had an expensive unlimited plan. Fred, you have to be a leader and give us what we should have not what we want... Like the great leaders of the good old USA do. Walt (ducking for cover) > -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Fred Hink > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 2:45 PM > To: k650; 'KLR List' > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Applications (Beta Testing) > > For all the naysayers, I have one question, Did you vote in the > attachment > Poll? > I only act according to what the majority wants. If you want to drum > up > support to have HTML turned back off, go knock yourself out. Just vote > on > the poll that was created last week. > http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/surveys?id=2922057 > As of today, there are 61% of this list's voters that wanted to have > attachments sent to them by email, 35% wanted attachments stored on the > web > site and only 2% that wanted no attachments at all. > > Members on dialup can always read the list's messages by going to the > web > site. > If you have any suggestions, I am open for anything. > > Fred >

[Don Montgomery]

Fred, Could you advance some giude as to what 'small attachment' is? File size and/or pixel dimensions or such? I don't want to ruin the experience for the dial up users. You run a great forum here! Thx, Don M

[Greg May]

Attachments :  Hi Fred and all, one option would be to limit the quality of the pics that were attached in consideration of the bandwidth challanged . I shoot all my pics at the highest quality my camera will allow, may as well camera memory is cheap. If I'm sending a pic via Hotmail I can send it as a file or as a photo, I just tried one to see and found what was 2mb if sent as a file was 76kb if sent as a photo. Not sure if Yahoo has a function like ths bit I'm sure there are many simple ways to reduce the quality before the pic is attached if Yahoo can't. In my case and probably most others are the same, if someone wanted a full quality copy of a pic I shot I could then email it directly to them.   I attached both as an example...Have a great weekend.....Greg    

--- On [b]Sat, 11/21/09, Fred Hink [i]moabmc@citlink.net>[/i][/b] wrote:

From: Fred Hink moabmc@citlink.net> Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Applications (Beta Testing) To: "k650" k650@verizon.net>, "'KLR List'" DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Received: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 3:44 PM   For all the naysayers, I have one question, Did you vote in the attachment Poll? I only act according to what the majority wants. If you want to drum up support to have HTML turned back off, go knock yourself out. Just vote on the poll that was created last week. http://autos. groups.yahoo. com/group/ DSN_KLR650/ surveys?id= 2922057 As of today, there are 61% of this list's voters that wanted to have attachments sent to them by email, 35% wanted attachments stored on the web site and only 2% that wanted no attachments at all. Members on dialup can always read the list's messages by going to the web site. If you have any suggestions, I am open for anything. Fred ----- Original Message ----- From: "k650" k650@verizon. net> To: "'Fred Hink'" moabmc@citlink. net>; "'KLR List'" DSN_klr650@yahoogro ups.com> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 12:23 PM Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Applications (Beta Testing) Just so you know as plain text your message would have been about 4k in size. Now that you allow HTML it has increased along with the picture 7,700%. This list will become almost unusable for the dialup crowd. Walt From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hink Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 1:17 PM To: KLR List Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Applications (Beta Testing) I have downloaded a few new applications that you can check out on the web site. These Beta applications are new to YAHOO! and some will have "bugs" but Yahoo is working on fixing them. Be patient if you find that something isn't working correctly right now. I hope these and the other additions to our message board enhances your experiences here. Fred List Admin. The new Internet Explorer 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! [b]Get it Now for Free![/b]

[albatrossklr]

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--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Martin" wrote: > > Previous addresses/comments omitted deliberately > > > > > > > When we arrived at this find we were curious as to how high up we were and so we found a rock about the size of a football and threw it over the edge. Then we listened quietly and counted seconds until we heard it land. We never did hear it land. > > > > Take care, > > There is no intent to throw stones here (no pun intended)-- > just an open discussion of what we do affects others. > Sometimes catastrophically. > > You will notice--there is no NKLR warning as the original msg is gleaned from a KLR post--the incident described appears to have occurred during a KLR ride. > > I of course have no way of 'seeing' what this rider saw, or the 'due care' that was exercised when the rock was dropped over the edge... > but that does not keep me from commenting here. > > What do you suppose a hiker struck, or might have been struck by that rock, thought when struck by a rock from above (a hazard of hiking or climbing)--that it was a random act of God that he/she was killed by that rock? A free climber would have been in just as much danger--by a football rock from above. > > Such as what I describe above, is called the unintended consequences of our actions- > I have had two of these incidents in the past 6 months-- > > You will recall that last spring, I posted that I was, or should have been killed on my KLR in a head-on collision by two approaching vehicles playing NASCAR. Their nighttime, high speed approach was made towards me without any intention of letting my use my lane--forcing me to the shoulder as our closure rate--at a minimum exceeded 150, if not 180+mph. > > The second-- > It was a very near incident to me--only yesterday. > > While my son and I were on a stalk for four bedded down buck deer, road hunters pulled up opposite of us 1/4 mile away and started WWIII on the deer. One round passed within a few feet, if not inches, of us. When they 'finally' saw us, they jumped in their vehicle and sped away. > > My only hope, was that they at least said, > > take care. > > revmaaatin. > > PS. KLR content > we left the prairie fields and came home for a 50mile, 50F KLR sunset ride. > We certainly felt a lot safer on the bike than in the fields. > PPS. > Alone this evening, I invited a nice 8pt buck home for dinner; he crawled up on my luggage rack and followed me home. He his presently hanging out with three KLR's at 29F. >