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[georgios_ace]

Hello, I would like to ask if the AGM or sealed type alternative batteries have the exact dimensions as the originals (height length deep). If not, do I have to put them vertically to fit? If so I would have to modify the cables as I think they are not long enough. Thanks for any reply

[Arden Kysely]

Yuasa has an AGM battery that fits perfectly. I've had one for a few years. At least one other brand (Odyssey?) needs to be put on its side. __Arden

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "georgios_ace" wrote: > > Hello, > I would like to ask if the AGM or sealed type alternative batteries > have the exact dimensions as the originals (height length deep). If > not, > do I have to put them vertically to fit? If so I would have to > modify the cables as I think they are not long enough. > Thanks for any reply >

[E.L. Green]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "georgios_ace" wrote:

> > Hello, > I would like to ask if the AGM or sealed type alternative batteries > have the exact dimensions as the originals (height length deep).

The AGM, yes. The gel cell, no. Note, though, that some of the Yuasa AGM's seem to be taller than stock. I'm not sure what the deal there is. My four-year-old Yuasa AGM was exactly the same as stock. The new one was very slightly taller, and getting the battery cover/retainer on was a major PITA. I'd say avoid the Yuasa AGM for now and go with one of the other AGM's mentioned in the FAQ.

[David Bell]

Odyssey has to be on its side. db ----- Original Message ---- From: Arden Kysely To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2008 9:35:18 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: AGM and sealed type batteries Yuasa has an AGM battery that fits perfectly. I've had one for a few years. At least one other brand (Odyssey?) needs to be put on its side. __Arden

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "georgios_ace" wrote: > > Hello, > I would like to ask if the AGM or sealed type alternative batteries > have the exact dimensions as the originals (height length deep). If > not, > do I have to put them vertically to fit? If so I would have to > modify the cables as I think they are not long enough. > Thanks for any reply > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[RM]

On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:07:47 -0000, "E.L. Green" said:

> Note, though, that some of the Yuasa AGM's seem to be taller than > stock. I'm not sure what the deal there is. My four-year-old Yuasa AGM > was exactly the same as stock. The new one was very slightly taller, > and getting the battery cover/retainer on was a major PITA. I'd say > avoid the Yuasa AGM for now and go with one of the other AGM's > mentioned in the FAQ.

The Westco AGM is also a bit taller than stock and the cover will NOT go back on with this batt. RM

[Spike55]

If the Odessey has to mounted on its side, it would find itself up-side- down many times, in my case. Don R100, A6F

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "georgios_ace" wrote: > > Hello, > I would like to ask if the AGM or sealed type alternative batteries > have the exact dimensions as the originals (height length deep). If > not, > do I have to put them vertically to fit? If so I would have to > modify the cables as I think they are not long enough. > Thanks for any reply >

[Reverend]

I mounted my Odyssey on its side and had to lengthen one little cable, which was quick and easy. If you go with a cross-reference to the stock battery, then it should have the exact dimensions and mount normally without modification. The question is if you feel it's worthwhile to go with the expensive batteries. A stock replacement battery is $30, and the Odyssey is $125 (I bought both as I needed a battery for the other bike too, both bikes use the same model battery). The advantage of the Odyssey is vibration/temp resistance and a few more amps. Do you ride a lot in the cold? Do you go off road a lot? It's a thumper, so it'll vibrate no matter what, but seemingly not enough to shorten the life-span of a stock replacement battery (which seems to last me about 3-4 years). Another advantage is the lack of maintenance the Odyssey can withstand without croaking. A stock battery needs a 'tender and water level checked religiously.

> -----Original Message----- > Behalf Of georgios_ace > I would like to ask if the AGM or sealed type alternative batteries > have the exact dimensions as the originals (height length deep). If > not, > do I have to put them vertically to fit? If so I would have to > modify the cables as I think they are not long enough. > Thanks for any reply

[Larry]

I put a Yuasa MF battery in my 08 and it fit perfectly. Larry.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "georgios_ace" wrote: > > Hello, > I would like to ask if the AGM or sealed type alternative batteries > have the exact dimensions as the originals (height length deep). If > not, > do I have to put them vertically to fit? If so I would have to > modify the cables as I think they are not long enough. > Thanks for any reply >

[Reverend]

A Diesel engine will last far longer with a relatively even level of emissions, whereas you can get the gasser to be cleaner initially but give it 50K miles and it'll start to deteriorate faster, emission-wise. Over 300-400K miles, the Diesel will emit less. Diesels now have uric acid injection and particular filters along with EGR and catalyzers which makes them extremely clean. The difference here is also in the PM10 emissions in a Diesel vs the PM1 emissions in a gasoline engine, and which one is more harmful to your lungs. Ethanol is indeed bad juju from most estimates. Don't take it from me though, I am no engineer, take it from the science geeks who do this for a living (I actually interviewed for a job at NREL earlier this year as a curious aside). Anyway, the simplest way to put this is that it takes more energy to make ethanol, than the ethanol contains. First, the ethanol can't be transported like regular fuels (gasoline/Diesel etc) since it's hygroscopic. Thus we need to burn fuel to transport it. Then the equipment to plow the fields and farm the corn (which is indeed what we use here in the US, though sugarcane and even potatoes could be used), then the fields where the corn is planted is unusable for a while (can't even be used for other foods/crops). Then the clincher is that it contains less BTUs than gasoline or Diesel. It's a net energy loss, and at best, 15% lower in CO2 emissions. Add in that the corn/sugar/potato used for ethanol is NOT used for food, and it actually detracts from food supplies. Here in Colorado we've seen a direct impact of that in Butterball (the Turkey company) who laid off 400-500 people due to the cost of corn to feed turkeys skyrocketing. According to their spokesman (in the local paper) it was directly due to corn being used for ethanol. Also, if you look at the cost of it, it's brutally expensive. No, you don't see it at the pump, because it comes with large subsidies. Where does THAT money come from? Ugly story. Check Robert Rapier's energy blog for more details. You'll soon turn off the idea of ethanol as a good thing. As for old cars vs new cars, I think this article sums it up far better than I can; http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/05/the-ultimate-pr.html In short, a new car requires lots of energy to make! As for wars - I don't know, we say that Germany was evil for invading a bunch of countries and torturing people. I dunno, but check your local news as of the last few years and see what WE have done. There's a reason Americans aren't very well liked around the world. We could wield a big stick when it comes to big things, but smaller domestic problems could be left to the countries that insist on fighting over it. From: Jokerloco9@... [mailto:Jokerloco9@...] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 18:36 To: reverend@...; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR Energy independence is a crisis. Where's The People's... Just a few thoughts regarding your assertions: Diesel is cleaner than gas? Are you sure? I know there have been major inroads cleaning up diesel, but there are still issues. Ethanol an environmental problem? Really? Alcohol burns cleaner than diesel or gas. Do you still believe ethanol is going to be made from corn? No one in the industry does. Check into the plant enginerering going on. Like everything else, it needs a bit of development. People buy a new car that is more polluting than a well tuned older car??? Uh, no. Just how old are you referring to? A couple of years, 20 perhaps? A 25 year old car has about 1000 times the pollution of a new car. That is no exageration. At least that is what my smog checks tell me. Compare the numbers. Stop supporting Isreal and Egypt? I'm with you on that, but the reality is sitting on our butts and ignoring the outside world and all of the a**holes out there is just what Europe did in the mid thirties. And what did we get out of it? History refresher: Nazi Germany and WW2. This is the reason we stick our noses in the outside world. Better to fight little wars then the big one. Jeff A20 In a message dated 10/5/2008 4:54:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, reverend@... writes: We do have a few good things going for us. We have nuclear (safe, inexpensive and something we can develop more. The nuclear waste - as long as it's radioactive it contains energy, can that be harnessed?) and we have oil. Now, oil, despite the doom and gloomers spreading lies, isn't running out, and like Europe (noticeable as I'm IN Europe right now) Diesel is a Damn Good Thing. Granted, using less polluting sources of energy would be noble, but at this point, we have few viable choices. I am no chemist, but I think that propane and methane are among the few things less polluting than Diesel. Gasoline isn't, but for some reason nobody likes the easy-to-refine Diesel in the US. Some alternatives would be to push a little more PV electricity for domestic use. Prices are coming down so you can offset a good amount at home with only a $20K ivestment. Nobody wants that either, since they rather buy a new car (more polluting than many old ones kept in good shape). We get special interest crap like Ethanol, that many people knew from the start was a horribly moronic idea, particularly with the 'environmental' aspect being the 'benefit'. Lobbyists make policy by essentially bribing our "elected for the people by the people" politicians into harebrained ideas. It works - try to tell someone with a flexfuel car that he's f'ing up the environment for the rest of us and see what happens! An idea would be to stop with the treasonous support of Israel and Egypt, stop foreign aid all together. Bring back the military and stop with "strategic" military placement around the planet. Strengthen our borders and bump up domestic manufacturing. We can buy oil with straight dollars instead of oddball trades. We can make immigrants adhere to our way of life instead of catering to theirs under the name of whatever freedoms they crave (religious comes to mind.. hey, pray 5x a day if you wish, but if that impacts your work performance, you get canned! - see Swift Manufacturing). I guess I just figure that we are just on our knees servicing far too many countries and people and neglecting our own kids, education, infrastructure (I drove to Texas a while back and compared to the AUtoBahn, our freeways are 4x4 tracks!!) It's embarrassing! On the flip side, it's vanity that keeps us wanting to be on top of the food chain. Even the dinosaurs died out, the planet didn't. Long after natural events (or nuclear war) has made the planet unsustainable for humans, the planet will still hum along fine. Maybe cockroaches will rule the planet? Would that be so bad, other than out of human superiority vanity?

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[Mark H]

My replacement Yuasa sealed battery fits in the same space on my 2007 KLR 650 the same as the old OEM lead acid bettery. 116.7 mph in a landsailor is fun !!!!!!!