nklr energy independence is a crisis. where's the peop...

[Richard Shelton]

Please take me off of this list...I enjoy reading about people and their love for their motorcycles...I hate the political bullcrap spulled by a few. If I wanted to read that stuff there are politcal sites I could access. It was nice while it lasted. To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.comFrom: boulder_adv_rider@...: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 01:39:13 +0000Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR Energy independence is a crisis. Where's The People's... Europe has had great success cleaning up diesel combustion. But that's not the problem here. We'll burn hand creme here in America if it's cheaper. The problem is the diesel tax. It's used to levy a tax on truckers similar to our gas tax. But for diesel it's worse so car drivers using diesel pay a higher price for diesel than is really necessary. It's just not a good deal and therefore no readily available. Ever look for diesel in your town? Without competition, you can get raped if you can even find it! It's like finding kerosene for a heater. No one sells it like they used to. You end up buying a 5-gallon can from Homey Depot for $36...sham-wow!I don't believe diesel is cleaner. It's an old myth. Can it be made as clean? Possibly. Ethanol from corn is joke. It's what dopey ears wants America to hang on to while we give corn farmers a bonanza and starve the world with unafordable corn prices. Not a good idea. Ethanol will work but algae is the right base.If you guys haven't read this, it's a good read.http://www.thecleantechrevolution.com/I think we're all for letting Israel and Egypt fight they're own battles. Since when did we become the United States of the World? I don't think there is ANY evidence that staying out of this crap is a bad idea. What are we getting for it now?? Bad reputation. Called imperialists. Lose more of our men and women while we go bankrupt? Personally, I say we let other nations get a little more skin in the game. Let France deal take a bit more heat. Damn, right we'll bail them out again. We love bailouts, don't we? All I can say is when we have a real war, we win it. These fear-based wars like Vietnam are friggin albatrosses (sorry Albatross, no offense). The Bush Doctrine is a disaster. It's great for oil prices and defense spending and that's it. At least when we go to war, it's do or die. None of the b/s of rubber bullets and nation building. It should be our nation is under attack like Japan and Germany. Not this protect our interest everywhere. Total crap policy b/c we screw it up and spend fortunes. I totally disagree fighting these little wars. There should be no such thing as a 'little war.' Either our nation is under emminent attack or forget it. If we got we're addicted to oil and drugs, there wouldn't be all these b/s 'little squirmishes' to waste our time. Walk tall and carry a big stick. Since when did bullying come in? _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn 10 hidden secrets from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[boulder_adv_rider]

Richard - It's not bull crap. That's your opinion. Apparently you don't seem to care about what is running this country into the ground or threatening our freedom. Geez, I hope you're not considering renouncing your citizenship because Americans on TV are talking everyday about preserving freedom without mention of the KLR or motorcylces. This forum will continue to fun, engaging and informative. It will center on the KLR but also what else is on the minds of riders that share the common thread. I'd suggest getting some rest and reconsider. Start by ignoring the NKLR posts like I do, especially if you're not interested in the content. Do you know have many times some of us read: "I changed my tire and now it won't rotate?" Endless. But we take care to answer the question and help each other. Of course, if we're all here to benefit from each other, listen and be considerate of others. If that's too much to ask for you, the door is open. Godspeed. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Richard Shelton wrote:

> > > Please take me off of this list...I enjoy reading about people and

their love for their motorcycles...I hate the political bullcrap spulled by a few. If I wanted to read that stuff there are politcal sites I could access. It was nice while it lasted.

> > To: DSN_KLR650@...: boulder_adv_rider@...: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 01:39:13

+0000Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR Energy independence is a crisis. Where's The People's...

> > > > > Europe has had great success cleaning up diesel combustion. But

that's not the problem here. We'll burn hand creme here in America if it's cheaper. The problem is the diesel tax. It's used to levy a tax on truckers similar to our gas tax. But for diesel it's worse so car drivers using diesel pay a higher price for diesel than is really necessary. It's just not a good deal and therefore no readily available. Ever look for diesel in your town? Without competition, you can get raped if you can even find it! It's like finding kerosene for a heater. No one sells it like they used to. You end up buying a 5-gallon can from Homey Depot for $36...sham-wow!I don't believe diesel is cleaner. It's an old myth. Can it be made as clean? Possibly. Ethanol from corn is joke. It's what dopey ears wants America to hang on to while we give corn farmers a bonanza and starve the world with unafordable corn prices. Not a good idea. Ethanol will work but algae is the right base.If you guys haven't read this, it's a good read.http://www.thecleantechrevolution.com/I think we're all for letting Israel and Egypt fight they're own battles. Since when did we become the United States of the World? I don't think there is ANY evidence that staying out of this crap is a bad idea. What are we getting for it now?? Bad reputation. Called imperialists. Lose more of our men and women while we go bankrupt? Personally, I say we let other nations get a little more skin in the game. Let France deal take a bit more heat. Damn, right we'll bail them out again. We love bailouts, don't we? All I can say is when we have a real war, we win it. These fear-based wars like Vietnam are friggin albatrosses (sorry Albatross, no offense). The Bush Doctrine is a disaster. It's great for oil prices and defense spending and that's it. At least when we go to war, it's do or die. None of the b/s of rubber bullets and nation building. It should be our nation is under attack like Japan and Germany. Not this protect our interest everywhere. Total crap policy b/c we screw it up and spend fortunes. I totally disagree fighting these little wars. There should be no such thing as a 'little war.' Either our nation is under emminent attack or forget it. If we got we're addicted to oil and drugs, there wouldn't be all these b/s 'little squirmishes' to waste our time. Walk tall and carry a big stick. Since when did bullying come in?

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[jokerloco9@aol.com]

I agree with pretty much everything you have said. The problem is pretty much everyone on the planet has their own pet projects. We here don't want any more regulations on motorcycles. So we have organizations like the AMA to speak for us. We have our own special interest group. Everyone does. Those that like guns pay the NRA to do our work. Those that don't like guns pay Sarah Brady. The point is until a way is found to solve differing opinions, we will get nowhere. Basically no simple solution, perhaps short of a real violent revolution. Do you think we can get everyone in the country to vote every incumbent out of office? Then what? It actually takes experience to run the government process. I have actually worked for a City Council member, so I know the games. Replacing everyone would be chaos worse than what we have now. Jeff A20 In a message dated 10/5/2008 6:04:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, boulder_adv_rider@... writes: Jeff - Hardly a natural. I would consider running for office. However this crooked Congress and all those following like scared children fear people like me as much as guns. They don't want the party to end. Rather this administration and Congress use fear to force people into they have no choice but to follow blindly them and be weary of reasonable and responsible citizens like me. Just look. In an unprecedented move and completely panic-driving way look at Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson asking for unsupervised and uncontested access to $700 billion dollars and...all but keys to the nuclear missiles silos, too! Why not! Again, Bush on TV doing just like he did with the Irag war. This is where it started with Bush and his weapons of mass destruction farce. We all got snookered on that. Well, now we all realize he's just a liar. I'm not afraid to get into govt and burn it down. I've worked hard. My family has worked hard and followed the 'rules.' They all have children and we've all served our country well. However in being good citizens we can see this government is no longer serving the People in a prudent and consistent manner. Everyone sees it. Acutally, Jimmy Carter got it right back in 1979. Ever read his Malaise Speech? It describes where we are now nearly but nearly 30 years ago. I'll post a link at the bottom for readers. Well it's funny you say we all have the same information but why is it no one wants to do anything about it? Are you just going to take it laying down? I have solutions. Actually, I'm working on some pretty good solutions. Really. One possible solution...war bonds. Issue them. Declare a war on energy and issue billions of thems. People that can't afford the bonds can lease the space on there roof. In exchange, participating homeowners can receive a substantial discount on their energy bills. Get out of Afghanistan and Iraq. Spend the money at home on wind farms, solar installations, upgrading the grid, conservation programs, biofuels, and CNG for vehicles. A friend of mine drove from Europe to China on nat gas for pennies/mile. It's ridiculous the friggin strangle hold Big Oil has on Americans. You want to get it started? Have all Americans that believe in Energy Independence go and sit in the streets for a few days. See how important it is and if the government responds. If these people don't understand Americans mean business, we're doomed to more of the same regardless who's in office! I don't care Republican vs. Dem or who is/was to blame then or now. We know the problem, let's get the darn thing fixed! Yes, I will pay more for it but I don't think that's necessary. People like Henry Ford built cars before gas stations were available and before there were roads! The capital and technology is ready-- just not our society. We don't want to change anything. We are lazy. Plain and simple. It took years to replace the horse and mule. Countless technologies die on the vine waiting for people to get out of their own way...resistant to change. Clinging to the wreckage like a sinking ship in many ways. I have a KLR and a 1996 Dodge Ram. I have 60k on the Ram. Ironically, I have more miles on my mountain bike and road bike than my KLR and very close to the Ram, if not more. I used to ride 500 mile/week while training. In fact, my brother just won the Race across Oregon (540 miles in 35 hours!) I'm very proud of him/this! I don't complain about $4 gasoline. Never have. Rather I complain about what $4 gasoline does to an economy that has alternatives. Without Toyota and Honda, US automakers would have you believing there is no such thing as a hybrid. Why? It's been pulling on the US Govt utter for decades and now is one the waiting list for a bailout. It got it wrong in the 70s building crap cars and again turning out SUVs by the gross. There's simply no vision. I'm saying you don't need to pay-up for energy. If we declare a war on energy and really make it a priority, people can and will do good things and rise to the challenge. Otherwise, as capitalists everyone asks what's in it for me? No $100 bills? I'm not interested. We'll, you'll be paid in the future--modestly but appropriately. Build a refinery?? Presently our refineries in the US are running at close to 84% of capacity. We're using less gasoline and these refiners are cutting production just to keep supplies tight and prices high. That's the fact. Look at companies like Tesoro and Valero. They're getting killed by high oil prices and low refinery- product sales prices. They'd love to be charging you $8/gallon, trust me. Fortunatley, they can't. Big Oil is pulling this oil crisis stunt to get access to the nations reserves and plunder it. It's getting closer and Bush has done his best--no doubt. But again, eventually it runs out and you are worse off in the future...much like today. We import 70% of our oil vs. 20%. You see the Big Oil has played the chess game well. But instead of expensive and risky off-shore drilling, use oil subsidies that the oil companies insist they no longer need! on alt-e projects (noted above). These project will pay into the future and create jobs. You and I building another refinery will do nothing. We'd be better off drilling oil, increasing our alt-e footprint, and dump the oil on the int'l marketes just like Iran and Brazil are doing. Ever notice? Brazil and Iran are both rapidly replacing oil with alternatives in order to feed the monkeys...us here in the US paying very high prices for our addiction. Ridiculous. Simply, we sponsor and develop the same rogue regimes that want to kills us or others! Hint: Want to win/end the war on drugs? Quit using drugs here in America. The industry will grind to halt. Oil and drugs are very much a 'tragedy of the commons' problem. Everyone thinks "me using is such a drop in the bucket. It doesn't matter." It matters. Specifically, I don't think the oil companies are screwing us exactly. But no doubt they have every reason to promote their industry just like GM and Ford pimping big gas guzzlers right up until Toyota stepped onto the stage with a highly more reliable product I'll note. I'm not ranting. I'm simply raising a red flag. I'm focused 100% on the future and suggest we all get involved however we can. I wish I had a handbook to mail you...ha ha. Well, just ask Karl Rove; he'll tell you Bush was going into Iraq long before Congress voted. Bush fueled up the fear machine and basically hoodwinked the public. He convinced himself the war would be won easily and the war effort would stimulate the ecomony. Of course, it's a mess now and why he has ZERO credibility not to mention the lowest approval rating in history. Liberal media has it's mark, no doubt. But the American people are smart enough to realize this govt is a mess...Bush admin and Congress--Dems and Repubs. But it's not everyone. Some people in govt do have good intention and truly serve the People like the Constitution mandates. Lastly, it's important to realize I'm not taking sides. Rather I see something out of control and hope others see it, too. Look at middle America. It's eroding. It's not only going to affect you, it will affect all us and future generations. Trust me, this topic is not going away post-election. It's going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better. I'm eager to grab an oar myself, but it's a big boat to row. It's why I'm appealing to people on this board to seriously keep the pressure on our leaders. We demand change. link to Carter's 1979 Malaise Speech _[url=http://www2.http://wwhttp://www2http://wwwhttp:&beyond/beyond/http://www2.http://wwhttp://www2http://wwwhttp:&beyond/beyond/ (http://www2.volstate.edu/geades/FinalDocs/1970s&beyond/malaise.htm) **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! 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