red-light cameras hurting revenue

[rockiedog2]

Every time I have gone down I am amazed at how fast it happened. Same thing this time. A massive brain fart, an ultra slick King rear and a damp steep grassy slope did it this time. It wouldn't have been too bad except for the aluminum pannier corner to the tailbone. That was breathtaking. The crash jacket was nice on the gravel at the bottom of the slope and shows signs of what would have happened to my hide without it. I know tomorrow will be a little sore cause of all the guts banging aroung when you hit hard, not to mention all that arthriitis getting stirred up. Once I caught my breath, picking it up was easy, but then after having picked up a loaded Valkyrie with the handlebars pointing downhill no way could the KLR be very hard.(This was the first time I have dropped a KLR, being a relative KLR newcomer and riding mostly roads). Anyway, just thought I would pass along today's episode of relearning lessons learned decades ago. The older you get the more you find it happening...relearning old lessons. Joe 62 years old and sucking up ibuprofen and E$J brandy tonight

[Bob Monahan]

Joe, Glad you made it OK... I'm 57 and have had my KLR about 6 weeks and haven't laid it down yet in about 700 miles about 100 of which was on sandy roads and a little trail riding. I'm sure I will though and I ALSO have some E&J and ibuprofen on hand... How's the bike? $bob$ Every time I have gone down I am amazed at how fast it happened. Same thing this time. A massive brain fart, an ultra slick King rear and a damp steep grassy slope did it this time. It wouldn't have been too bad except for the aluminum pannier corner to the tailbone. That was breathtaking. The crash jacket was nice on the gravel at the bottom of the slope and shows signs of what would have happened to my hide without it. I know tomorrow will be a little sore cause of all the guts banging aroung when you hit hard, not to mention all that arthriitis getting stirred up. Once I caught my breath, picking it up was easy, but then after having picked up a loaded Valkyrie with the handlebars pointing downhill no way could the KLR be very hard.(This was the first time I have dropped a KLR, being a relative KLR newcomer and riding mostly roads). Anyway, just thought I would pass along today's episode of relearning lessons learned decades ago. The older you get the more you find it happening...relearning old lessons. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Randall Marbach]

Hey Joe, Honda did a really good job with the case guard design on the fat lady... I dropped my Valkyrie in a gravel driveway tire side up.. the only way I could get it righted was to drag the ass end around on the case guard and aftermarket bag guards. I was suprised to see how little damage this caused, just minor scratching on the guards. Seems like lots of Valkyrie guys have adopted the KLR as a second bike. My goal at 57 was to learn to do some dirt riding before I got "too" old. I have put lots of miles on the back roads of Death Valley, Mexico etc., with my A17. Now I've decided that I want a lighter bike to learn more technical dirt skills (read lots of falling/crashing and picking up after it) so I've added a used drz400e to the stable... (fun bike but I blew up the engine already), but I would not want to have to ride a DRZ from Burbank to Death Valley like I do with the KLR. Scotch and asprin work for me.... Randy from Burbank ----- Original Message ---- From: rockiedog2 To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 4:12:02 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Busted it this afternoon Every time I have gone down I am amazed at how fast it happened. Same thing this time. A massive brain fart, an ultra slick King rear and a damp steep grassy slope did it this time. It wouldn't have been too bad except for the aluminum pannier corner to the tailbone. That was breathtaking. The crash jacket was nice on the gravel at the bottom of the slope and shows signs of what would have happened to my hide without it. I know tomorrow will be a little sore cause of all the guts banging aroung when you hit hard, not to mention all that arthriitis getting stirred up. Once I caught my breath, picking it up was easy, but then after having picked up a loaded Valkyrie with the handlebars pointing downhill no way could the KLR be very hard.(This was the first time I have dropped a KLR, being a relative KLR newcomer and riding mostly roads). Anyway, just thought I would pass along today's episode of relearning lessons learned decades ago. The older you get the more you find it happening...relearning old lessons. Joe 62 years old and sucking up ibuprofen and E$J brandy tonight ------------------------------------ List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo! Groups Links ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

[dooden]

Ride the bike as the tires see fit, the ole Green Ape been down a few times overdumb shit ei: steep hill sideways, no place to put foot down since its a steep slope and over she comes,step off and let'er fall, grab tailrack and skid bike around so handlebars are up hill since it weighs too much to lift when its pointed downhill.. trust me on this one. Nothing has ever made my backside suck up my underwear more than grass and the stock tires, except that one corner out in the counrty side that I over shot and lets just put it this way... WAY WAY TO F'ing fast, debating barb wire fence or scrub off flesh while still on pavement to rub off the impact speed of the barb wire impact. Managed to slow it enough to skid into the gravel shoulder and get it back on the pavement and tucked that away to NEVER DO AGAIN !!!! Kenda K270's are a nice cheap tire that will net ya 5k, mine went to the seems without a problem, other than a bit noisey, currently have a D-606 on the front and another K270 on the rear. Tires Tires Tires... traction is whats saving your butt, ride um to the limit and no more. Dooden A15 Green Ape --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "rockiedog2" wrote:

> > Every time I have gone down I am amazed at how fast it happened.

Same

> thing this time. A massive brain fart, an ultra slick King rear and

a

> damp steep grassy slope did it this time. It wouldn't have been too

bad

> except for the aluminum pannier corner to the tailbone. That was > breathtaking. The crash jacket was nice on the gravel at the bottom

of

> the slope and shows signs of what would have happened to my hide > without it. I know tomorrow will be a little sore cause of all the

guts

> banging aroung when you hit hard, not to mention all that

arthriitis

> getting stirred up. Once I caught my breath, picking it up was

easy,

> but then after having picked up a loaded Valkyrie with the

handlebars

> pointing downhill no way could the KLR be very hard.(This was the

first

> time I have dropped a KLR, being a relative KLR newcomer and riding > mostly roads). Anyway, just thought I would pass along today's

episode

> of relearning lessons learned decades ago. The older you get the

more

> you find it happening...relearning old lessons. > > Joe > 62 years old and sucking up ibuprofen and E$J brandy tonight >

[rockiedog2]

Just posted a pic of the scene of today's ugly crash. It's on the photo page 65-80. Thanks for all the replies about your crashes...helps to know I'm not the only DA out there That E&J works wonders. Joe resting easy now --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "rockiedog2" wrote:

> > Every time I have gone down I am amazed at how fast it happened.

Same

> thing this time. A massive brain fart, an ultra slick King rear and

a

> damp steep grassy slope did it this time. It wouldn't have been too

bad

> except for the aluminum pannier corner to the tailbone. That was > breathtaking. The crash jacket was nice on the gravel at the bottom

of

> the slope and shows signs of what would have happened to my hide > without it. I know tomorrow will be a little sore cause of all the

guts

> banging aroung when you hit hard, not to mention all that

arthriitis

> getting stirred up. Once I caught my breath, picking it up was

easy,

> but then after having picked up a loaded Valkyrie with the

handlebars

> pointing downhill no way could the KLR be very hard.(This was the

first

> time I have dropped a KLR, being a relative KLR newcomer and riding > mostly roads). Anyway, just thought I would pass along today's

episode

> of relearning lessons learned decades ago. The older you get the

more

> you find it happening...relearning old lessons. > > Joe > 62 years old and sucking up ibuprofen and E$J brandy tonight >

[dooden]

I choose to support NAFTA and keep that Crown Royal flowing over the border. Dooden A15 Green Ape --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "rockiedog2" wrote:

> > Just posted a pic of the scene of today's ugly crash. It's on the > photo page 65-80. Thanks for all the replies about your > crashes...helps to know I'm not the only DA out there > That E&J works wonders. > > Joe > resting easy now > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "rockiedog2" > wrote: > > > > Every time I have gone down I am amazed at how fast it happened. > Same > > thing this time. A massive brain fart, an ultra slick King rear

and

> a > > damp steep grassy slope did it this time. It wouldn't have been

too

> bad > > except for the aluminum pannier corner to the tailbone. That was > > breathtaking. The crash jacket was nice on the gravel at the

bottom

> of > > the slope and shows signs of what would have happened to my hide > > without it. I know tomorrow will be a little sore cause of all

the

> guts > > banging aroung when you hit hard, not to mention all that > arthriitis > > getting stirred up. Once I caught my breath, picking it up was > easy, > > but then after having picked up a loaded Valkyrie with the > handlebars > > pointing downhill no way could the KLR be very hard.(This was the > first > > time I have dropped a KLR, being a relative KLR newcomer and

riding

> > mostly roads). Anyway, just thought I would pass along today's > episode > > of relearning lessons learned decades ago. The older you get the > more > > you find it happening...relearning old lessons. > > > > Joe > > 62 years old and sucking up ibuprofen and E$J brandy tonight > > >

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "smthng else" wrote:

> > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 8:02 PM, John thomas wrote: > > Sooooooooo........ do I stop for the yellow light and get .... CREAMED? > > Or do I run the yellow and risk a ticket? > > Somewhat OT... I've actually had two tickets tossed out on this. One > was a red light camera where it was visible in the photo that I had > someone on my tail. > > The other was the officer's discretion... He was sitting on a side > street when I went flying past him on one wheel. Of course, he nabbed > me and had the "yer busted" attitude until I explained to him that I > was simply getting out of the way of the garbage truck that didn't see > me at the last stop light. I'm lucky that the garbage truck locked up > his brakes when he finally did see me (he managed to stop exactly > where I was before the one-wheel shenanigans). His skid marks were my > savior. > > Don't get me wrong, I'm not usually a "hooligan" type and I didn't > even know my little Seca II *could* pull that much of a wheelie until > that day. > > Still... even if you do get a red-light ticket, I'd say your chances > of getting it tossed out are about 50/50, even if there isn't someone > one your rear in the picture. >

Everyone should challenge these tags, especially in jurisdictions where they are criminal offenses, subject to the "reasonable doubt" standard. The state must prove each element of the offense beyond a reasonable doubt. The basic elements are that the offense was committed, and that the defendant committed it. Since there is no evidence whatever that the vehicle owner was driving, the state cannot prove an essential element of the offense. The odds of getting it tossed should be 100%. Of course, it doesn't work that way in the real world, but red light cameras have been declared unconstitutional in Minnesota. The court took a circuitous route to find what in my view is glaringly obvious: that prosecutions do not meet the barest requirements of due process. Any legislator or city council member who could vote for one of these things should be bitch-slapped.