[dsn_klr650] a stupid way to die stalling at speed

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[dsn_klr650] a stupid way to die stalling at speed

Post by jokerloco9@aol.com » Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:47 am

I also noticed you had a question regarding the kick stand switch causing the bike to die. Yes, it can. Again, I forget the details, but is well documented here. I believe the answer is go to klr faq on the internet, you will figure out where to go, and read the FAQ's about the KLR, and scroll down, and I think there is info on the kick stand problem and how to check and disable it. But don't quote me here. But you are going in the right direction. Jeff A20 In a message dated 2/12/2008 10:43:17 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mjmc335@... writes: Thanks for the response I appreciate the ideas. I'm pretty sure it's not out of gas since That tank was filled and then run only 130 miles, it gets to at least 200 before going on reserve. The petcock almost never gets moved, I fill before going to reserve, so it's run many tanks to near 200 miles before refill without problems. I have two KLRs and the other one doesn't do this, I'm sure it's not operator error, though it's always a possibility. Thanks, Mike --- _Jokerloco9@..._ (mailto:Jokerloco9@...) wrote:
> It sounds to me like there is nothing wrong with the > bike. You are just > running out of gas. Look at the owners' manual > regarding the position of the > petcock. > > I have noticed that at speed on the freeway, when > the KLR runs out of gas > and needs to go on reserve, it does not give you > much warning. My 1974 Honda > CB750 would kind of sag a bit, and give you plenty > of warning that you needed > to go on reserve. > > Also, when you do run out of gas, I am not sure if > you can just switch to > reserve, like old bikes, and the fuel just flows. I > think there is a diaphram > opened by engine vacuum, that only flows fuel with > engine running. But I > think there is a position that allows filling carb > when dry. I personally don't > remember, and I'm too tired to go find my owners > manual to figure it out > right now. There are plenty of others here that > know the scoop. This may be why > you had to goof around with the bike for 15 minutes > to get it running again, > to fill the carb bowl. > > So before you loose faith in the bike, determine if > it was nothing more than > just "operator error" > > Jeff A20 > > > In a message dated 2/12/2008 8:19:29 P.M. Pacific > Standard Time, > _mjmc335@..._ (mailto:mjmc335@...) writes: > > > > > Have been lurking for a couple of years and posted a > few times, but > here's a long one. > > After spending 6 months rehabbing my shattered > elbow from a dirt ride > on my 03 KLR last August, I'm back on the bike > riding to and from > work. Tonight my 05 KLR failed me a second time, > stalling in the > middle lane at 65mph after coming off the Dumbarton > bridge here in > the Bay Area. The bike has been ridden a few times > and charged up so > it didn't sit the whole 6 months. It also was filled > with gas on > Sunday and has 130 miles on this tank. > > The first stall was probably 10 or more months ago > when the bike died > with no lights or electrical power. After fiddling > with it for about > 10 minutes while standing about 18 inches from > Freeway traffic, it > started up and was fine for a few thousand more > miles. I suspected it > was the petcock because when it stalled, I turned > on the reserve and > even though it didn't' start up right away, it > eventually did. > > Tonight the bike just died at speed. I immediately > turned to reserve > and barely made it to the right shoulder, which was > about 3 feet > wide. Luckily it had all electrical power (so the > battery connection > is not likely), neutral light, turn signal, brake > lights, tail light, > headlight, and starter. After trying 4 or 5 times it > was turning over > but not starting. I began pushing it to the exit, > about half a mile > away, hoping to get it started. I left the ignition > on so the left > turn signal would flash and I could hit my flashing > brake lights for > extra "attention". All the while thinking, "this is > such a stupid way > to die", on the side of the freeway pushing my bike > in the dark > waiting for someone not paying attention to plow > into to the bike and > me". In retrospect I should probably have just let > the bike sit > while standing on the outside of the barrier and > then tried to start > it later. > > After pushing a while the bike would start but when > I dropped it into > first it stalled, about three times. After pushing > some more I tried > it again and it started and held when in gear. I > rode it to a gas > station to check it, turning it off and starting > again, but couldn't > see anything obviously wrong and rode home. Total > pushing time was > about 10, maybe 15 minutes, with the ignition on the > whole time. > > My first thought to the problem was gas; maybe the > petcock or the > valve is bad. Next is the safety start circuit > because it would start > and then die when going to first gear even with the > kickstand up. > > Questions: > Has anyone had the bike stall at speed and find out > it was the clutch > lever/side stand safety circuit? > Any ideas on the petcock or anything else? > > I'm losing some confidence in this bike, the 03 > hasn't had this > problem though it was a slow speed stall that sent > me into the dirt > with the elbow shattering. That one was my fault but > this stalling > thing is spooking me a bit. > > Mike > > > > _Messages in this topic _ >
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a stupid way to die â?? stalling at speed

Post by Chris Norloff » Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:03 am

Could there be a lot of water in the gas? Enough to fill the 'reserve' portion of the tank and now and then get picked up with the fuel petcock in the main position? That'd be a lot, but maybe. When the bike runs fine, see if it runs okay on reserve. Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Mike McCourt Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:42:59 -0800 (PST)
>Thanks for the response I appreciate the ideas. I'm >pretty sure it's not out of gas since That tank was >filled and then run only 130 miles, it gets to at >least 200 before going on reserve. The petcock almost >never gets moved, I fill before going to reserve, so >it's run many tanks to near 200 miles before refill >without problems. > >I have two KLRs and the other one doesn't do this, I'm >sure it's not operator error, though it's always a >possibility. > >Thanks, >Mike > >--- Jokerloco9@... wrote: > >> It sounds to me like there is nothing wrong with the >> bike. You are just >> running out of gas. Look at the owners' manual >> regarding the position of the >> petcock. >> >> I have noticed that at speed on the freeway, when >> the KLR runs out of gas >> and needs to go on reserve, it does not give you >> much warning. My 1974 Honda >> CB750 would kind of sag a bit, and give you plenty >> of warning that you needed >> to go on reserve. >> >> Also, when you do run out of gas, I am not sure if >> you can just switch to >> reserve, like old bikes, and the fuel just flows. I >> think there is a diaphram >> opened by engine vacuum, that only flows fuel with >> engine running. But I >> think there is a position that allows filling carb >> when dry. I personally don't >> remember, and I'm too tired to go find my owners >> manual to figure it out >> right now. There are plenty of others here that >> know the scoop. This may be why >> you had to goof around with the bike for 15 minutes >> to get it running again, >> to fill the carb bowl. >> >> So before you loose faith in the bike, determine if >> it was nothing more than >> just "operator error" >> >> Jeff A20 >> >> >> In a message dated 2/12/2008 8:19:29 P.M. Pacific >> Standard Time, >> mjmc335@... writes: >> >> >> >> >> Have been lurking for a couple of years and posted a >> few times, but >> here's a long one. >> >> After spending 6 months rehabbing my shattered >> elbow from a dirt ride >> on my 03 KLR last August, I'm back on the bike >> riding to and from >> work. Tonight my 05 KLR failed me a second time, >> stalling in the >> middle lane at 65mph after coming off the Dumbarton >> bridge here in >> the Bay Area. The bike has been ridden a few times >> and charged up so >> it didn't sit the whole 6 months. It also was filled >> with gas on >> Sunday and has 130 miles on this tank. >> >> The first stall was probably 10 or more months ago >> when the bike died >> with no lights or electrical power. After fiddling >> with it for about >> 10 minutes while standing about 18 inches from >> Freeway traffic, it >> started up and was fine for a few thousand more >> miles. I suspected it >> was the petcock because when it stalled, I turned >> on the reserve and >> even though it didn't' start up right away, it >> eventually did. >> >> Tonight the bike just died at speed. I immediately >> turned to reserve >> and barely made it to the right shoulder, which was >> about 3 feet >> wide. Luckily it had all electrical power (so the >> battery connection >> is not likely), neutral light, turn signal, brake >> lights, tail light, >> headlight, and starter. After trying 4 or 5 times it >> was turning over >> but not starting. I began pushing it to the exit, >> about half a mile >> away, hoping to get it started. I left the ignition >> on so the left >> turn signal would flash and I could hit my flashing >> brake lights for >> extra "attention". All the while thinking, "this is >> such a stupid way >> to die", on the side of the freeway pushing my bike >> in the dark >> waiting for someone not paying attention to plow >> into to the bike and >> me". In retrospect I should probably have just let >> the bike sit >> while standing on the outside of the barrier and >> then tried to start >> it later. >> >> After pushing a while the bike would start but when >> I dropped it into >> first it stalled, about three times. After pushing >> some more I tried >> it again and it started and held when in gear. I >> rode it to a gas >> station to check it, turning it off and starting >> again, but couldn't >> see anything obviously wrong and rode home. Total >> pushing time was >> about 10, maybe 15 minutes, with the ignition on the >> whole time. >> >> My first thought to the problem was gas; maybe the >> petcock or the >> valve is bad. Next is the safety start circuit >> because it would start >> and then die when going to first gear even with the >> kickstand up. >> >> Questions: >> Has anyone had the bike stall at speed and find out >> it was the clutch >> lever/side stand safety circuit? >> Any ideas on the petcock or anything else? >> >> I'm losing some confidence in this bike, the 03 >> hasn't had this >> problem though it was a slow speed stall that sent >> me into the dirt >> with the elbow shattering. That one was my fault but >> this stalling >> thing is spooking me a bit. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> _Messages in this topic _ >> >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/message/181560;_ylc=X3oDMTM3YmM3NXQ2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ4ODM4NQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDU >> >xMjYyNjIEbXNnSWQDMTgxNTYwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTIwMjg3NjM1NgR0cGNJZ >> AMxODE1NjA-) (1) _Reply (via web post) _ >> >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxdGZlNzRiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ4ODM4NQRncnBzcElkAzE >> >3MDUxMjYyNjIEbXNnSWQDMTgxNTYwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTIwMjg3NjM1Ng--? >> act=reply&messageNum=181560) | _Start a new topic _ >> >> >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcjVodTZpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ4ODM4NQR >> >ncnBzcElkAzE3MDUxMjYyNjIEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDbnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjAyODc2MzU2) >> >> _Messages_ >> >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdGJ2OHJkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ4ODM4NQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUxMjYyNjIEc2VjA2Z0cgRzb >> GsDbXNncwRzdGltZQMxMjAyODc2MzU2) | _Files_ >> >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJlM2g0ZmViBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ4ODM4NQRncnBzcE >> >lkAzE3MDUxMjYyNjIEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDZmlsZXMEc3RpbWUDMTIwMjg3NjM1Ng--) >> | >> _Photos_ >> >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/photos;_ylc=X3oDMTJkYmdwdGg3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ4ODM4NQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUxMjYyNjIEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDcGhvdAR >> zdGltZQMxMjAyODc2MzU2) | _Links_ >> >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNWVvdWV1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ4ODM4NQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUx >> >MjYyNjIEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDbGlua3MEc3RpbWUDMTIwMjg3NjM1Ng--) >> | _Database_ >> >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/database;_ylc=X3oDMTJibWVnYmFrBF9TAzk3MzU >> >5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ4ODM4NQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUxMjYyNjIEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDZGIEc3RpbWUDM >> TIwMjg3NjM1Ng--) | _Calendar_ >> >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/calendar;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcWhqNjFiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ4ODM4NQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUx >> >MjYyNjIEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDY2FsBHN0aW1lAzEyMDI4NzYzNTY-) >> >> List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: >> www.dualsportnews.com >> List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: >> www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >> Member Map at: _http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650_ >> (http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650) >> >> >(http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJjaTlzaWVsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ4ODM4NQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUxMjYyNjIEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDZ2ZwBHN0aW1lAzEyMDI4NzYzNTY-) >> >> _Change settings via the Web_ >> >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/join;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZ2VqcDJhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ4ODM4NQRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUxMjYyN >> jIEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDc3RuZ3MEc3RpbWUDMTIwMjg3NjM1Ng--) >> (Yahoo! 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