extra gas in a msr "dromedary" water bag?

[Mike Frey]

Shell engineer says that Rotella T with Triple Protection 15W-40 meets the JASO MA friction test, along with some of their other oils: http://www.shellusserver.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3861&page=1#Post3861

[J Hancock]

Hi all..thanks for all your interesting info on the many topics. it's interesting in this oil thread about oil shear and viscosity breakdown that no one has mentioned this: I ran across an old timer,83 years, a logger up here in the pacific Northwest who still makes his living reconditioning Caterpiller D4's and larger. He was a fleet maintanence foreman for All the logging equip and road working equipment for several large fleets. When he took over he was getting gear/bearing failures, rear end, transmissions. Up here in the Northwest, when units sit they have a lot of condensation in these cases with the rain and damp. He began putting 10 to 15% STP in the gear oil and cut his breakdown rate dramatically. Many of the oil experts on this thread say that it's the transmission and cam grears that shear the oil viscosity..now wouldn't a mixture of 10% STP or like product as Lucas with say delo 400 or Rotella acheive the same results in a motorcycle?? What say you? Jay A18, 'XR400, 78 R100, '89 R100GS,Guzzi LaPD ambassador

----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Frey To: List KLR Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:17 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] JASO MA - Oh no! Another oil thread! (Hey, it's winter time) Shell engineer says that Rotella T with Triple Protection 15W-40 meets the JASO MA friction test, along with some of their other oils: http://www.shellusserver.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3861&page=1#Post3861 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Arden Kysely]

conventional wisdom in the moto world for the past 30+ years is that STP will cause your wet clutch to slip. Never tried it myself, don't have a ChemE degree, neither. __Arden

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "J Hancock" wrote: snippp... > Many of the oil experts on this thread say that it's the transmission and cam grears that shear the oil viscosity..now wouldn't a mixture of 10% STP or like product as Lucas with say delo 400 or Rotella acheive the same results in a motorcycle?? What say you? > > Jay > A18, 'XR400, 78 R100, '89 R100GS,Guzzi LaPD ambassador > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Frey > To: List KLR > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:17 AM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] JASO MA - Oh no! Another oil thread! (Hey, it's winter time) > > > > Shell engineer says that Rotella T with Triple Protection 15W-40 meets > the JASO MA friction test, along with some of their other oils: > > http://www.shellusserver.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php? ubb=showflat&Number=3861&page=1#Post3861 > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Blake Sobiloff]

On Feb 6, 2008, at 8:34 AM, J Hancock wrote:

> it's interesting in this oil thread about oil shear and viscosity > breakdown that no one has mentioned this: [condensation in the oil > of logging equipment]

Although the KLR is often described as "rustic," I don't think logging equipment is terribly analogous.

> Many of the oil experts on this thread say that it's the > transmission and cam grears that shear the oil viscosity..

The wet clutch and high RPMs probably contribute as well.

> now wouldn't a mixture of 10% STP or like product as Lucas with say > delo 400 or Rotella acheive the same results in a motorcycle?? What > say you?

Jay, I don't understand how you got from "STP solving problems with water in the oil" to "wouldn't STP be great for motorcycles?" STP has a lot of additional detergents which can help disperse/suspend water, possibly being the solution to the problem your logging friend faced. However, KLRs typically don't have a problem with excessive condensation in the oil; the KLR has a problem with mechanical shearing of the oil, and STP isn't going to improve the shear resistance of any oil. -- Blake Sobiloff http://www.sobiloff.com/> San Jose, CA (USA)

[David Critchley]

I think a lot of the regulations are more to do with the physical construction of the container, not the technicalities. If you fill a sandwich bag with gas, you are likely to have a problem, even if it snaps shut as properly as it did for you lunch. Tourtank has a vast array of shapes and sizes of auxiliary tanks that you may be interested in. I just fitted one of their creations to a Yamaha DT175G, which now has a range of about 300 to 350 km. They are on the net. DC E.L. Green wrote:

> --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , "trekbikeboy" > wrote: > > Apparently the containers made to hold fuel are different in that static > > electricity does not build up in them. If you try to fill a > container not > > approved for fuel at a service station in Oz they will quickly stop the > >

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