was: speed on a klr, now: which gps?

[Alan L Henderson]

Which is one reason my wife and I will only fly in the future if there is no alternative. My wife and I both have artificial left knees which seems to set off all sorts of suspicions with the TSA agents. After our last trip through Seattle where we were treated with no respect. Received contradictory commands from different TSA agents. Had my leather belt and my metal cane run through the x-ray machine separately. Had our belongings separated in 10 separate trays. And then expected to put it all back and get out as fast as possible. Oh, I forgot both of us being thoroughly patted down in public. That wasn't even as bad as the late 60's couple of women who were hauled over by a team of 6 TSA agents in the gate area and had there luggage gone through in front of all the other passengers. They hauled out all of their clothing to include used under clothes and had them held up and all the seams felt looking for God knows what. Apparently this was done at random. Alan Henderson A13 Iowa 60 over weight combat veteran. Zachariah Mully wrote:

> > Wait, you're calling the French pussies when in the US you get anally > probed before flying, have your facial expressions analyzed for > terrorist intent by a bunch minimum wage GED TSA agents, can be arrested > for taking pictures in public spaces and have elected a complete moron > to two terms? They have their own problems in France, but hell, at least > they're not currently democratizing a country at gunpoint, while at the > same time undermining those same freedoms in their own country.

[John]

Every time we wait in line, take our shoes off or open up our laptop-a terrorist is smiling somewhere-he's won. Now a phone call or email has cancelled an excellent international sporting event. Every time some terrorist or whack job calls up before a sporting event are we going to cancel it? What lunacy, soon we'll have to wear a crash helmet in our own home in case they decide to target individual houses. I used to fly 3-5 times a week with a job I enjoyed-but 2 years ago decided, (because of the TSA, Government and other rude idiots), to retire early, so I didn't have to fly. Since then, I've flown once, but travelled extensively in the US on my bikes (KLR & Versys) and in my truck. Sometimes with the bike in the back, to take me across mountain passes to warmer climates. They've taken away bottled water, nail clippers-but left the best non-firing weapon on the plane-wine bottles. Anyone with any military training can tell you that a broken bottle is an excellent weapon-unless the other guy has a gun! Machog --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[E.L. Green]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Alan L Henderson wrote:

> > Which is one reason my wife and I will only fly in the future if there > is no alternative. My wife and I both have artificial left knees which > seems to set off all sorts of suspicions with the TSA agents. After our > last trip through Seattle where we were treated with no respect. > Received contradictory commands from different TSA agents. Had my > leather belt and my metal cane run through the x-ray machine separately. > Had our belongings separated in 10 separate trays. And then expected to > put it all back and get out as fast as possible. Oh, I forgot both of us > being thoroughly patted down in public. That wasn't even as bad as the > late 60's couple of women who were hauled over by a team of 6 TSA agents > in the gate area and had there luggage gone through in front of all > the other passengers. They hauled out all of their clothing to include > used under clothes and had them held up and all the seams felt looking > for God knows what. Apparently this was done at random. > Alan Henderson A13 Iowa 60 over weight combat veteran.

But... but.. FREEDOM! Yah! Freedom! We must give up our freedoms because... because... OMG THERE'S BROWN PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO WANT TO KILL US! Eeeee! Run and hide, run and hide, be scared, be very scared, so that Big Brother can protect us from those mean BROWN PEOPLE who are, like, BROWN (hey, did I mention that they're BROWN, not good white-skinned Christian fellers like you and me? EEE! Save us, Big Brother, from those nasty BROWN people who, like, want to swim the Atlantic with knives in their teeth and sneak into our bedrooms at night and KILL US ALL!). FEAR! FEAR! FEAR! BE SCARED! YOU ARE A SHEEP AND MUST BE PROTECTED! FREEDOM! YAY! But don't worry, Big Brother loves you and wants only the best for you. Big Brother is your friend. I love Big Brother. Don't you?

[Zachariah Mully]

On Fri, 2008-01-04 at 20:59 +0000, E.L. Green wrote:

> FEAR! FEAR! FEAR! BE SCARED! YOU ARE A SHEEP AND MUST BE PROTECTED! FREEDOM! > YAY!

No no no. You got it wrong! Freedom is putting a magnetic ribbon on your Ford F350 and driving from your suburban hellhole mcmansion to your soul crushing job in cubicle in some faceless office park. Z

[Ronald Criswell]

I'm with you on this one. My wife's 79 year old mother who has severe bone disease and has to wear a bulky back brace that is very hard to get on and off which she always has to do for the airport idiots when she flies. Errr ..... she is no threat but ......... we can't profile can we? Ridiculous! Criswell

On Jan 4, 2008, at 1:52 PM, Alan L Henderson wrote: > Which is one reason my wife and I will only fly in the future if there > is no alternative. My wife and I both have artificial left knees which > seems to set off all sorts of suspicions with the TSA agents. After > our > last trip through Seattle where we were treated with no respect. > Received contradictory commands from different TSA agents. Had my > leather belt and my metal cane run through the x-ray machine > separately. > Had our belongings separated in 10 separate trays. And then > expected to > put it all back and get out as fast as possible. Oh, I forgot both > of us > being thoroughly patted down in public. That wasn't even as bad as the > late 60's couple of women who were hauled over by a team of 6 TSA > agents > in the gate area and had there luggage gone through in front of all > the other passengers. They hauled out all of their clothing to include > used under clothes and had them held up and all the seams felt looking > for God knows what. Apparently this was done at random. > Alan Henderson A13 Iowa 60 over weight combat veteran. > > Zachariah Mully wrote: > > > > Wait, you're calling the French pussies when in the US you get > anally > > probed before flying, have your facial expressions analyzed for > > terrorist intent by a bunch minimum wage GED TSA agents, can be > arrested > > for taking pictures in public spaces and have elected a complete > moron > > to two terms? They have their own problems in France, but hell, > at least > > they're not currently democratizing a country at gunpoint, while > at the > > same time undermining those same freedoms in their own country. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[David Critchley]

Somebody has been the reading the "how to do it" book for government spooks, G Orwells' "1984". DC Zachariah Mully wrote:

> On Fri, 2008-01-04 at 20:59 +0000, E.L. Green wrote: > > > FEAR! FEAR! FEAR! BE SCARED! YOU ARE A SHEEP AND MUST BE PROTECTED! > FREEDOM! > > YAY! > > No no no. You got it wrong! Freedom is putting a magnetic ribbon on your > Ford F350 and driving from your suburban hellhole mcmansion to your soul > crushing job in cubicle in some faceless office park. > > >

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[E.L. Green]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Zachariah Mully wrote:

> On Fri, 2008-01-04 at 15:21 -0500, Zachariah Mully wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-01-04 at 20:19 +0000, E.L. Green wrote: > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "ocpianoman" wrote: > > > > If I'm going to be out in the boonies more, I'm thinking I need to get > > > > some sort of electronic safety net. Cell phones obviously don't cut > > > > it. So, what GPS units do guys like? Obviously they double as an > > > > accurate speedo. Do any of them have some kind of homing beacon like > > > > some phones so that rescue teams can use them to locate MIA KLR riders? > > > Personal Locator Beacon. > > > There's a cheaper version called "SPOT" but it doesn't have a homing beacon on it, it

relies on

> > > being able to send GPS coordinates to one of the Globalstar satellites, and if

Globalstar goes

> > > out of business (as seems likely) it's a paperweight. > > > > And their coverage is nothing close to that of a PLB: > > > > http://www.globalstarusa.com/en/coverage/datacoverage/simplex_coverage.php > > Err. that was a half completed thought. The nice thing about the SPOT is > that it allows you to "check in" with your family/friends whomever, so > that they know you're alright, and where you are.

But you can rent an Iridium satellite phone for $35 a week. Unless you're spending months on the road, a phone call once a day on the sat phone will serve much the same purpose, and will be much better for non-emergency-emergencies such as calling your friends to haul a pickup truck out to where you're broken down so that you can get out of there without having to activate your PLB and get a major SAR action going. -E