when is filling up not good for your klr?

[KLRDON]

has the KLR user group gone dark? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Fr. Don]

Negative!! Don+

On Dec 29, 2007 7:00 AM, KLRDON wrote: > has the KLR user group gone dark? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- All other pursuits pale in comparison to your walk with the Living God. "And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart." Jeremiah 29:13 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Gregory" wrote:

> > I can assure you that it is good advice.I have delivered more

millions of gallons than I could count,cleaned more tanks than I wanted to and have had to haul loads back to the refinery because it was water /tank bottom contaminated/ they have stopped using water in the bottom of the tanks but still use it as a plug between products in the pipeline

> > all the lids for the tanks are supposed to be water proof but I

have seen too many that were not and stayed that way for weeks/months before they were fixed.

> if I had to get gas I would only get a gallon of premium and move

onto next station or take a long lunch and give the tank a chance to settle again.the pickup tube is 3 to 4 inches off the bottom of the tank so it wouldn't have to set long maybe 30 minutes to be safe.

> > Hope everyone has a Happy New Year with plenty of miles of smiles > > > Jim Gregory > > south Arkansas

Jim, It is good to hear a response from someone that has that kind of experience. Sounds like you have some real world experience in passing gas. It seems to me that in the aviation community, jet fuel can suspend up to 1/3 volume of water! WHAT! Yeah, that is a lot of water. We use as a rule, 1 ft/hour settling before we pull a fuel sample. On a Bell 407 helo, we don't pull a fuel sample (sump for water) until it has set for ~3 hours due to the 3ft height of fuel. Water (=moisture) has an entry point into your tank other than through the fuel--the vent line! In all the fuel we burn, taking a sample everyday for the past 2.9 years, we have yet to see any appreciable water in our fuel sumps. All that said, the other night, it was near zero F and when I opened the fuel port for preflight 'inspection'. There was frost on an internal stainless steel braided fuel line at the fuel-level line, just below the vertical fuel cap. It was the moisture that got into the fuel cell from the outside vent (= humidity), condensing from a difference of OAT/high humidity and fuel temp of freshly pumped fuel. I believe the biggest problem with water in the fuel in a fuel- injected, fuel nozzle application is that water is erosive to the nozzle. On our carbureted KLR-application, it is filling the fuel bowl until it is fuel starved, which is easily remedied by draining the bowl. A dicey situation when it does not happen in the comfort of your garage. Of course the biggest problem of water in the fuel for the KLR is the entrapment (=sump) in the forward wings of the pre'08 models, causing rust to form and pinholes to follow in said wings. Most on this list won't keep a bike long enough for it to be a problem...but should be considered on an older bike ridden or stored in a high humidity area. All that said, it is why you should have the tank full of fuel for long term storage. Being full, offers less surface area for the humidity to condense on the inside of your tank, and less condensation, makes for a longer lasting gas tank and a happy KiLeRista. revmaaatin.