a big nklr!

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

At 6:10 AM +0000 12/12/07, Mike wrote:

>--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "topmap1" wrote: >> >> Bill, they always say that copying is the highest form of praise. >> Martin >Martin, > >Yes, I have an interest here - but this doesn't belong on the forum. >All of your posts have been about your product.

It's all OK... until somebody trademarks or patents a device, copying is fair game. Gotta strike while the iron is hot they say. Anyway, until I see hard proof that ANY coolant bypass system will ultimately be a money-saver and increase the longevity of the engine enough to recover the purchase price of the device times five (and there have been many examples of KLRs going in excess of 80,000 miles), I'll put my hard-earned cash towards other gear. Most guys here don't even own their KLRs long enough or ride in widely varying conditions to reap whatever benefit a coolant bypass device can offer. Now, if someone came up with something really useful, like a carb heat device... Mark

[Mike]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Tengai Mark Van Horn wrote:

> > At 6:10 AM +0000 12/12/07, Mike wrote: > >--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "topmap1" wrote: > >> > >> Bill, they always say that copying is the highest form of praise. > >> Martin > >Martin, > > > >Yes, I have an interest here - but this doesn't belong on the forum. > >All of your posts have been about your product. > > It's all OK... until somebody trademarks or patents a device, copying > is fair game. Gotta strike while the iron is hot they say. > Anyway, until I see hard proof that ANY coolant bypass system will > ultimately be a money-saver and increase the longevity of the engine > enough to recover the purchase price of the device times five (and > there have been many examples of KLRs going in excess of 80,000 > miles), I'll put my hard-earned cash towards other gear. Most guys > here don't even own their KLRs long enough or ride in widely varying > conditions to reap whatever benefit a coolant bypass device can offer. > Now, if someone came up with something really useful, like a carb > heat device... > > Mark >

Mark, If you look a little, the parts are already out there. The KLR650 sold in Oz has had this for a while. all the best, Mike

[a14@att.net]

>> Now, if someone came up with something really useful, like a carb >> heat device... >> >> Mark >> > Mark, > > If you look a little, the parts are already out there. The KLR650 sold > in Oz has had this for a while. > > all the best, > > Mike

And the 'C Model' in Canada. Walt

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Tengai Mark Van Horn wrote:

> > At 6:10 AM +0000 12/12/07, Mike wrote: > >--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "topmap1" wrote: > >> > >> Bill, they always say that copying is the highest form of

praise.

> >> Martin > >Martin, > > > >Yes, I have an interest here - but this doesn't belong on the

forum.

> >All of your posts have been about your product. > > It's all OK... until somebody trademarks or patents a device,

copying

> is fair game. Gotta strike while the iron is hot they say. > Anyway, until I see hard proof that ANY coolant bypass system will > ultimately be a money-saver and increase the longevity of the

engine

> enough to recover the purchase price of the device times five (and > there have been many examples of KLRs going in excess of 80,000 > miles), I'll put my hard-earned cash towards other gear. Most guys > here don't even own their KLRs long enough or ride in widely

varying

> conditions to reap whatever benefit a coolant bypass device can

offer.

> Now, if someone came up with something really useful, like a carb > heat device... > > Mark >

OK boys and girls, its time for SATIRE SWITCH--ON Mark, Once again, we are in heated agreement, ah, sort of. I bought the device (yet to arrive) based on the same reasons you did not. shrug. Is it faith? Or is it science? IS it the WEST vs. EAST (PA vs. SD) Is it EASTERN time Zone vs. the Central, MT, and Left Coast time? Or is it 'something else' like--a sinister conspiracy? cough. (Got to do something about that konstant koph). Mine was a matter of KLR lo-o-o-o-ngivity vs. immediate cash flow. I expect to ride this bike 'until they pry my cold dead fingers off the throttle'. Using my theological as well as limited scientific understanding of how money works--"what do you mean more money won't cure the problem"- and the problematic feature of having just one motorcycle (dare I say, dual-sport?), the big green pig needs to oink for quite some time. cough. Now, based on the incredible degree and painstaking scientific (cough) data that Thermo Bill Watson has offered, plus watching and reading his extensive dialog/explanation on the list, and reading and SEEING (is believing--there is that pesky 'faith' thing)...SEEING Jeff Saline's one-off hand built thermo-Jeff device-- built on the mill from scratch, all I could say, "MY dear WATSON--I'm in!" "I'm a believer!" "I have seen the light! Take me down to the river, TODAY!" Just send some sonshine (spelling deliberate) when you send the bypass kit, so I can ride the big green pig! cough. Move SATIRE SWITCH to TURBO-- But why did they call it a thermo-bob? Sounds like a WMD rather than something friendly, like, 'the WATSON device'--in the same vein as the 'Pat-Mod'. sigh. I guess I was a little late in the naming game. shrug. As long as it works, as long as it works, and I am certain it will...because I believe! I believe the science that Thermo Bill has 'created' and shared with the heathen unbelieving KiLeRista's, as far North as South Dakota...and no further because Global warming has kept the inventor of the Internet from leaving any ethereal wavelengths above the 45th parallel. So I'm told, but have not enough 'science' to prove it, so, I will take it on faith...that there is an email/internet connection to at least the 48th parallel. CLUTCH-SHIFT-REV Once upon a time, no one believed there was a doo-hickey problem...or that it needed improving. shrug. But many, in an act of faith, opened the beast and beheld the sinner. 'Salvation' was given to some, because they asked, they believed and they received. Others, shruged their shoulders like this, shrug, and went about their business, placing the trust in a divine creator called KHI--a not so perfect creator--who evidently liked spaghetti as well (see/reference previous theological explanation of the pasta-god post). So how long will your beast last? In the four years I have been reading, the conclusion I have reached, that most should go easily a full 60,000 smiles. Less if you beat on it hard, more if beat on it a little less. No science in this, just the seat of the pants assimilation of data read for four years. Others have quoted miles in the 80's, and one bike closing in on 100,000 miles. Not typical of most folk's experience--I would imagine. However, If I increase the miles expected from the machine by adding a $100 device that gets the bike operating at a specific and constant temp, sooner than KHI designed, my little mind suggests that it will add miles to the bike by cutting down the temp-shock-wear on start up/thermo cycling (yes, I see that needle cycling)--in particular since we Dakotans typically ride in colder temps, than many of the poster on the list ride at. I expect to add a full 20,000 miles to my original expectation of 60,000 smiles. Is adding 20K smiles hard science? Hardly, I suppose, more of a faith thing. smile. Now, neither science or faith--maybe just practicality-- If you don't ride in the colder temps, which is why Thermo-Bob Bill Watson Device was designed to do, then, it probably is a waste of your time and money...and especially if you treat the bike as a disposable container. The author and finisher of the Watson device would be more qualified to comment than I--not that that should slow one down from ever offering an opinion. smile. As for me and my house, my motorcycles/cars/trucks are reusable, and or extended life/use items. Usually, 10+ years after they were bought 'used'. Not of much value at the end.... Once upon a time, no one believed there was a doo-hickey problem. But now, most all are convinced. Likewise, it will take several 1000's of miles to suggest that the Watson-device aka Thermo-Bob mod will make a difference in the longevity of the bike. For most, it won't make a difference; especailly if you ride your white/blue/green/red/black pig for only 1-2 years, or only 5-8ooo miles and move on to the next bike. shrug. Which I believe, is Mark Van Horn's most salient point. SATIRE SWITCH--OFF NOTE: Please allow 2 minutes of Post-SATIRE use for proper cooling. revmaaatin. who has more KLR-theological cross pollination, but will save it for a rainy day...a rainy day of less than Biblical proportions.

[Michael Nelson]

On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 07:04:27PM -0000, revmaaatin wrote:

> by cutting down the temp-shock-wear on start up/thermo cycling (yes, > I see that needle cycling)--in particular since we Dakotans typically > ride in colder temps, than many of the poster on the list ride at. I > expect to add a full 20,000 miles to my original expectation of > 60,000 smiles. Is adding 20K smiles hard science? Hardly, I > suppose, more of a faith thing. smile.

Last weekend I rode from SF to Angels Camp (Sierra foothills) and back in 40 degree temps. My temp needle stayed just above the cold mark for almost the whole trip. I have a length of foam wedged in between the side of the radiator and the shroud on the left, and that has improved the cooling quite a bit. I was using my new Warm & Safe jacket liner and heated gloves for the first time and was unsure as to how it was impacting the state of battery charge. I pulled off on a farm road behind some bushes because I had to take a leak, and left the engine running so I wouldn't have to deal with the possiblity of a non-start due to low battery. The temperature climbed rapidly, fan switched on, and stabilized at about 3/4 on the temp guage in a short amount of time. Zipped back up and hit the road again and within a mile the needle was back down on cold. That CAN'T be good for the engine. My ThermoBob kit is at home waiting for me to install it. -- "It ain't those parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand." -- Mark Twain San Francisco, CA

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Tengai Mark Van Horn wrote:

> Now, if someone came up with something really useful, like a carb > heat device... > > Mark >

You mean like the one on the UK and OZ-spec KLRs?

[Alan L Henderson]

It may not specifically be against the list rules but this conversation belongs in between you and Bill off list. I don't need to know anything about it. What possible good could possibly come from discussing this on the list? I personally don't care who was first. Alan Henderson A13 Iowa topmap1 wrote:

> Come on guys, this is America you work hard and come in first you > win. I'm to old for this arguing. I was expressing that his current > bypass did not look like the bypass he said he designed in 05. I'm > an Engineer, I all ways design devices with the intent to patent it. > To me it is part of the process. I thought we were a group with the > intent to work together for the improvement of the group. As I have > always expressed I was just trying to help and be part of the group. > I'm still willing to work with Bill to make the best bypass > available? But, I think I will be quite and let thing fall where > they may. I wish Bill the best of luck. > > Martin