heated grips and progrip gel grips 714

[Ed Dobson]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Bill Watson wrote:

> > All, > > A number of you have been patiently waiting for radiator bypass

kits after I built one for testing back in 2005. Thanks to Eagle Mike for the machining, kits are complete and are now shipping. Since the KLR already has a `doohickey' it seemed that this was a `thingamabob' so the name "Thermo-Bob" was born.

> > The kits help the bike year-round, but are most beneficial in

winter. The whole coolant temp subject comes up with some frequency on this list and I tend not to re-hash the subject every time, so you can read about it at www.xanga.com/watt_man - it's the first, and fourth subject in the blog.

> > If relatives are asking what you want for Christmas, this might be

something that they can get for you - something you really want for once...

> > If you are interested, ordering information is located at the same

web page. Thanks for being patient.

> > Bill Watson > Phoenix, AZ

http://www.xanga.com/watt_man Looks good. Suggestions for version II. * Mounting bracket for t'stat housing. * Fewer cap-screws for housing, 3 or 4, with lower profile heads. * Shorter, beaded-barb, hose fittings. * Lower-profile constant-tension hose clamps. ED

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Bill Watson wrote:

> > All, > > A number of you have been patiently waiting for radiator bypass

kits after I built one for testing back in 2005. Thanks to Eagle Mike for the machining, kits are complete and are now shipping. Since the KLR already has a `doohickey' it seemed that this was a `thingamabob' so the name "Thermo-Bob" was born.

>

Thermo Bob?!?!?!?! Who is Bob? I was thinking that Thermo Bill or thermo-Watson, or the 'my dear WATSON device' would be OK also. The 'WATSON Device' is my favorite, and that is what I am going to call mine. revmaaatin.

[Bill Watson]

The Rev wrote:

>>The 'WATSON Device' is my favorite, and that is what I am going to call

mine. I'll see if I can get that engraved on your part. Thermo-Bill --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[topmap1]

Bill, they always say that copying is the highest form of praise. The problem with copying someone's design is that you don't go through the trial and effort stage and work through your failures. The failures are where you really learn. I hope you copied the insides better then you copied the outside. The inside design is where we spent a lot of time and effort to reduce turbulence and coolant loss. One of our first designs looked a lot like your current bypass. We had to reject it because of problems. The three of us have another problem. I posted all of the pictures and design information to date first article submissions for a patent. The patent is titled " Radiator coolant bypass using a straight through flow design with integrated fittings to reduce turbulence and coolant loss in small (less then 1400 cc's) water cooled engines". I wrote it this way so that your design that you had on your Web site would not violate the patent and specific enough so it would go through easily. At one point I offered to help you with your design. When there was no response I figured you were just going with the bypass you designed. I was able to put the patent submission on temporary hold after I saw the copy you had fabricated. It is in direct violation of the patent. Please E-mail me at topmap@... so we can work this out. Patent lawsuits cost everyone lots of money and only the lawyers make money. As you have read in my other posts I only want to help other riders get the best and safest equipment that can be designed. Martin

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Bill Watson wrote: > > All, > > A number of you have been patiently waiting for radiator bypass kits after I built one for testing back in 2005. Thanks to Eagle Mike for the machining, kits are complete and are now shipping. Since the KLR already has a `doohickey' it seemed that this was a `thingamabob' so the name "Thermo-Bob" was born. > > The kits help the bike year-round, but are most beneficial in winter. The whole coolant temp subject comes up with some frequency on this list and I tend not to re-hash the subject every time, so you can read about it at www.xanga.com/watt_man - it's the first, and fourth subject in the blog. > > If relatives are asking what you want for Christmas, this might be something that they can get for you - something you really want for once... > > If you are interested, ordering information is located at the same web page. Thanks for being patient. > > Bill Watson > Phoenix, AZ > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Mike]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "topmap1" wrote:

> > Bill, they always say that copying is the highest form of praise. > The problem with copying someone's design is that you don't go > through the trial and effort stage and work through your failures. > The failures are where you really learn. I hope you copied the > insides better then you copied the outside. The inside design is > where we spent a lot of time and effort to reduce turbulence and > coolant loss. One of our first designs looked a lot like your > current bypass. We had to reject it because of problems. > The three of us have another problem. I posted all of the > pictures and design information to date first article submissions for > a patent. The patent is titled " Radiator coolant bypass using a > straight through flow design with integrated fittings to reduce > turbulence and coolant loss in small (less then 1400 cc's) water > cooled engines". I wrote it this way so that your design that you > had on your Web site would not violate the patent and specific enough > so it would go through easily. > At one point I offered to help you with your design. When > there was no response I figured you were just going with the bypass > you designed. > I was able to put the patent submission on temporary hold after I saw > the copy you had fabricated. It is in direct violation of the > patent. Please E-mail me at topmap@... so we can work this > out. Patent lawsuits cost everyone lots of money and only the > lawyers make money. > As you have read in my other posts I only want to help other riders > get the best and safest equipment that can be designed. > Martin

Martin, Yes, I have an interest here - but this doesn't belong on the forum. All of your posts have been about your product. Even the words that you've posted have confirmed that Bill proofed the concept before you ever showed up here. None of my conversations with Bill ever referenced your design in any way. Bill and I had spoken about his quite some times ago, long before you ever showed up. I'd also exchanged emails with another lister here. Maybe I can dig them up so we can confirm the timing. Sometimes grapes are sweet, sometimes they are sour. Mike

[Ed Dobson]

I'm also designing a radiator bypass kit. It uses the frame down-tube as the thermostat housing. I'm currently soliciting bids for frame-kits from manufacturers in Albania. Patents are being pursued in Kyrgyzstan. If anyone is interested, buzz me off-list. Thanks. ED

[Jeff Saline]

> --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Saline wrote: > > may wonder? Well, I've been trying to keep the heat on the left > grip from > > going into the bar. So what I do is wrap the left bar with cork > bicycle > > grip tape and then put the heating element over the tape and the > grip > ... > > in the next 5-8 years. On the KLR with the tape under the left > heating > > element it gets so hot, even on low, that I can only use it for a > few > > minutes and then must turn off the grips. I've recently been > wondering

<><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><> On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:14:33 -0000 "E.L. Green" writes:

> That has nothing to do with the gel grips (I have'em), and > everything to do with the left > grip having a hotter heater than the right grip so that the heat > that goes into the bar > keeps the two at the same temperature. If you do not like that > behavior, you need to get > ATV grip heaters. ATV's don't have a throttle tube on the right grip > like motorcycles do, so > with an ATV both heaters are the same. All the dual-heat grip > heaters are made by Symtec > and Symtec does have two different varieties -- motorcycle (with hot > left hand), and ATV > (with equal hands). Since I don't have insulation between my left > heater and my handlebar, > I got the motorcycle variety. The two sides (left and right) pretty > much stay the same heat, > at least after the left side gets a chance to heat up the steel > underneath it a little. > > Note that aluminum is a better conductor of heat than steel, so if > you have an aftermarket > aluminum bar, the wrap-and-ATV-heaters approach probably is > preferable because then > the bar will conduct heat too fast for the left heater to keep up > (it's matched to the > conduction coefficient of steel). Physics. That science stuff sure > comes in handy, eh? . > > -E

<><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><> Eric, The gel grips transferring heat was just something I've considered. I didn't know if they transferred heat better than non gel grips or not and was just thinking about it. You might note I did state I was using two clutch side heating elements on the RT. So for the past two go-rounds I've used heating elements of the same heat range on clutch and throttle side. And because of my swapping around I also now have a matched pair of the throttle side temp range elements sitting on the shelf waiting for my /6 installation if the RT goes well. Originally I started with the elements with two different heat ranges and the left grip didn't get hot enough. Then I used the cork tape and it got way hotter than the right side. Then I bought the ATV equal heat elements. Now the right side gets hot (warm) enough and the left side, even on low, will cook the meat off the bones. I'm looking forward to installing the dual control heat troller so I can accurately control each side for my comfort. Currently I have to turn both grips off when the left gets too hot. I haven't been able to keep them on long enough to see if the right will also eventually get too hot. I do have aftermarket bars on the KLR and they are aluminum. On the BMW R100RT they are steel and the throttle tube is aluminum. Thinking about it a bit more I guess I'm the type that likes a bit extra instead of not quite enough. In my shop I installed a 75,000 BTU heater. The guys told me it was too big for the area. I smiled and said I know. And it heats my shop well and doesn't take long doing it either. I guess the elements that are just a bit too hot are better than ones that don't get hot enough. Heck, I've done the same thing with my air compressor. I've never heard someone say they're gonna have to get a smaller compressor cause they've got too much air. : ) I have heard folks talk about how they can't run equipment cause they don't have enough air. I don't want to be that guy. Thanks for your comments. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT

[Ed Dobson]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" wrote:

> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "topmap1" wrote: > > > > Bill, they always say that copying is the highest form of praise. > > The problem with copying someone's design is that you don't go > > through the trial and effort stage and work through your failures. > > The failures are where you really learn. I hope you copied the > > insides better then you copied the outside. The inside design is > > where we spent a lot of time and effort to reduce turbulence and > > coolant loss. One of our first designs looked a lot like your > > current bypass. We had to reject it because of problems. > > The three of us have another problem. I posted all of the > > pictures and design information to date first article submissions for > > a patent. The patent is titled " Radiator coolant bypass using a > > straight through flow design with integrated fittings to reduce > > turbulence and coolant loss in small (less then 1400 cc's) water > > cooled engines". I wrote it this way so that your design that you > > had on your Web site would not violate the patent and specific enough > > so it would go through easily. > > At one point I offered to help you with your design. When > > there was no response I figured you were just going with the bypass > > you designed. > > I was able to put the patent submission on temporary hold after I saw > > the copy you had fabricated. It is in direct violation of the > > patent. Please E-mail me at topmap@ so we can work this > > out. Patent lawsuits cost everyone lots of money and only the > > lawyers make money. > > As you have read in my other posts I only want to help other riders > > get the best and safest equipment that can be designed. > > Martin > Martin, > > Yes, I have an interest here - but this doesn't belong on the forum. > All of your posts have been about your product. Even the words that > you've posted have confirmed that Bill proofed the concept before you > ever showed up here. None of my conversations with Bill ever > referenced your design in any way. Bill and I had spoken about his > quite some times ago, long before you ever showed up. I'd also > exchanged emails with another lister here. Maybe I can dig them up so > we can confirm the timing. > > Sometimes grapes are sweet, sometimes they are sour. > > Mike >

"Please adhere to the three following guidelines for the list: 1. NO personal attacks. Keep "opinions" as objective discussions. 2. Please use "NKLR" in the subject line for any off topic discussions so people may filter their email if so desired. 3. Please use "Vendor" in the subject line for any Vendor posts on Fridays so people may filter their email if so desired." Mike, Seems as though Martin's post adheres to the list guidelines above. ED