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[Russell Scott]

Somebody was asking for specs on this bike. Go here: http://www.rubbermag.com/news/0711/071106_06.html I think BMW has hit a home run with this bike. The problem is you might have to pay an A-Rod price to experience and maintain it. R [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[John Biccum]

I quit reading when I read this passage: "The F 800 GS's smaller brother, the F 650 GS, which also has a parallel twin-cylinder engine..." If the author can't tell the difference between a single and a paralell twin...I couldn't bring myself to read the rest of the article. _____ From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Scott Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 17:41 To: KListeRs Subject: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR BMW F 800 GS Somebody was asking for specs on this bike. Go here: http://www.rubberma http://www.rubbermag.com/news/0711/071106_06.html> g.com/news/0711/071106_06.html I think BMW has hit a home run with this bike. The problem is you might have to pay an A-Rod price to experience and maintain it. R [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[John Biccum]

And the (new?) F650GS also has an 800cc engine...I'm so confused. I think that I'll just take my KLR650 out for a ride and enjoy its 685cc engine _____ From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Biccum Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 23:59 To: 'Russell Scott'; 'KListeRs' Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR BMW F 800 GS I quit reading when I read this passage: "The F 800 GS's smaller brother, the F 650 GS, which also has a parallel twin-cylinder engine..." If the author can't tell the difference between a single and a paralell twin...I couldn't bring myself to read the rest of the article. _____ From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Scott Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 17:41 To: KListeRs Subject: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR BMW F 800 GS Somebody was asking for specs on this bike. Go here: http://www.rubberma http://www.rubberma http://www.rubbermag.com/news/0711/071106_06.html> g.com/news/0711/071106_06.html> g.com/news/0711/071106_06.html I think BMW has hit a home run with this bike. The problem is you might have to pay an A-Rod price to experience and maintain it. R [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[martin polach]

Maybe I'm just getting old (actually there is no "maybe" about that) but I cannot help but wonder.. even though the F 800 GS sounds like a fantastic machine...."What happens were I to drop this thing into a stream..or even inadvertantly just drop it in the dirt"? All that high tech "stuff"? Will the on board computer still function? Will the ignition recognize the ch ip in the soggy/dusty key? The power of a larger "twin" would be intoxicating...but the complexity of the machine?.. some how I doubt that we would happily be contemplating a "doohicky" or replacing anything without a certified mechanic overseeing every move...and probably a lawyer and a banker.. Whatever happened to simplicity? But I suppose that is all part of that "age" thing. Cheers Martin (from the great White North...where it is actually starting to get a little white..so much for the "warming" thing)

[Ronald Criswell]

Looks like a great street bike with dirt road capabilities. I wish they would say what the weight is in pounds. Not sure I need 85 ponies for the rough stuff but I doubt people will really get into really rough country with this bike. With the way the Euro is and past BMW stuff, I am sure the bike itself will be w-a-aaay .......... expensive (plus parts). I like the yellow / black paint. With a 19 to 21 inch front wheel, the Veresy could be the same sort of bike and costs a lot less. Criswell

On Nov 7, 2007, at 7:40 PM, Russell Scott wrote: > Somebody was asking for specs on this bike. Go here: > > http://www.rubbermag.com/news/0711/071106_06.html > > I think BMW has hit a home run with this bike. The problem is you > might > have to pay an A-Rod price to experience and maintain it. > > R > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Arden Kysely]

Here are the specs. MSRP in the US is supposed to be $10,500 with ABS a 'comfort' package, and the ugly centerstand as extras. Full of gas, it doesn't weigh much more than a KLR. I imagine people will take it wherever they think it will go. It's all about the rider. I've seen an 1150GS in places that many KLRs would fear to tread. __Arden BMW F 800 GS BMW F 650 GS Engine Capacity cm3 798 Bore/lift mm 82/75,6 Power kW/HP 63/85 52/71 at engine speed Rpm 7 500 7 000 Torque Nm 83 75 at engine speed rpm 5 750 4 500 No. of cylinders 2 Compression/fuel :1 12.0/Super unleaded (95 RON) 12.0/Normal unleaded (91 RON) Valve/gas control dohc (double overhead camshaft) Valves per cylinder 4 Diam. inlet/outlet mm 32/27,5 Throttle valve diameter mm 46 Mixture preparation Electronic manifold injection, engine management BMS-KP Electrical system Generator W 400 Battery V/Ah 12/14 Headlights/rear light W 55 (full/dipped beam) 5 parking light LED (braking/rear light) Starter kW 0.9 Power transmission/gears Clutch Multidisc clutch in oil bath, mechanically activated Gears Dog-coupled six-gear transmission Primary transmission 1:1.943 Transmission, gear stages I 1:2.462 II 1:1.750 III 1:1.381 IV 1:1.174 V 1:1.042 VI 1:0.960 Rear wheel drive Endless-O-ring chain drive with back damping in wheel hub Transmission ratio 1:2.625 (16/42) 1:2.412 (17/41) Chassis Frame design Tubular frame in steel, partly carrying the engine Wheel suspension, front wheel Upside-down telescopic fork, fixed tube 45 mm Telescopic fork, fixed tube 43 mm Wheel suspension, rear wheel Double-strut swing arm, aluminium cast in one piece Spring travel front/rear mm 230/215 180/170 Castor mm 117 97 Wheel spacing mm 1578 1575 Steering head angle 64.0 64.0 Brakes front Double-disc brake 300 mm Single-disc brake 300 mm rear Single-disc brake 265 mm Single-disc brake 265 mm on request: BMW Motorrad ABS, disconnectable Wheels Spoked wheels with aluminium rims Cast aluminium wheels front 2.15x21 2.50x19 rear 4.25x17 3.50x17 Tyres front 90/90-21 54 V 110/80-R19 59 H rear 150/70-R17 69 V 140/80-R17 69 H Dimensions and weights Total length mm 2 320 2280 Total width with mirrors mm 945 890 Total width without mirrors mm 870 845 Seat height mm 880 (SA 850) 820 (SA 790) Dry weight kg 178 171 DIN tare, ready to drive kg 207 199 Perm. total weight kg 443* 436* Tank capacity l 16 16 Travel data Fuel consumption 90 km/h l/100 km 3,8 3,7 120 km/h l/100 km 5,2 5,2 Acceleration 0 100 km/h s 4,1 4,3 Maximum speed km/h over 200 189 *with lowering kit: payload 150 kg --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ronald Criswell wrote:

> > Looks like a great street bike with dirt road capabilities. I wish > they would say what the weight is in pounds. Not sure I need 85 > ponies for the rough stuff but I doubt people will really get into > really rough country with this bike. With the way the Euro is and > past BMW stuff, I am sure the bike itself will be w-a-

aaay ..........

> expensive (plus parts). I like the yellow / black paint. With a

19

> to 21 inch front wheel, the Veresy could be the same sort of bike

and

> costs a lot less. > > Criswell > > On Nov 7, 2007, at 7:40 PM, Russell Scott wrote: > > > Somebody was asking for specs on this bike. Go here: > > > > http://www.rubbermag.com/news/0711/071106_06.html > > > > I think BMW has hit a home run with this bike. The problem is

you

> > might > > have to pay an A-Rod price to experience and maintain it. > > > > R > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Joel Nelson]

Dual Sport riders; The reason we drive a KLR650 is because it is the lowest dollar fun machine on the planet. I have a 06 Harlely Softail and it is boring compared to the KLR650. Everytime I leave my driveway I don't have a clue to where I am going. I just know I can go anywhere I want for little to no money with the Kawa. The Harley needs special leathers, more chrome all the time and you don't want bumpy roads. Nobody was ever sorry they bought the best, except when they have mechanical problems. If I spend 11-13M$$ for a Dual Sport bike it better never break down. I'll take my super reliable KLR650. Don't you just like to RANT sometimes. SPARKS454. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Shane]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Joel Nelson wrote:

> > Dual Sport riders; > The reason we drive a KLR650 is because it is the lowest dollar

fun machine on the planet.

> I have a 06 Harlely Softail and it is boring compared to the

KLR650. Everytime I leave my driveway I don't have a clue to where I am going. I just know I can go anywhere I want for little to no money with the Kawa. The Harley needs special leathers, more chrome all the time and you don't want bumpy roads.

> Nobody was ever sorry they bought the best, except when they have

mechanical problems.

> If I spend 11-13M$$ for a Dual Sport bike it better never break

down. I'll take my super reliable KLR650. Don't you just like to RANT sometimes.

> SPARKS454. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I certainly HOPE BMW has addressed their Kwality issues with this one! I have a R1100RS which has 23000 miles, and has already cost as mush in REPAIRS as a new KLR. I will never buy another BMW Kwality product! That is unless I find something vintage, when they still made a machine. Shane

>

[4_stroke]

Shane wrote:

> > - > I certainly HOPE BMW has addressed their Kwality issues with this > one! I have a R1100RS which has 23000 miles, and has already cost as > mush in REPAIRS as a new KLR. I will never buy another BMW Kwality > product! That is unless I find something vintage, when they still > made a machine. > Shane > > Good luck - I had a Paris-Dakar in the 1990s which almost bankrupted > me (literally) through the frequent regular services and additional > uncovered breakdowns. I agree - if I pay BMW prices I want perfection! >

[James Morrow Sr]

You should have kept reading. The NEW F650GS is indeed a parallel twin. Its the same engine with smaller pistons. Some countries get a BIG break for under 700cc engines.

On 11/8/07, John Biccum wrote: > > I quit reading when I read this passage: > > "The F 800 GS's smaller brother, the F 650 GS, which also has a parallel > twin-cylinder engine..." > > If the author can't tell the difference between a single and a paralell > twin...I couldn't bring myself to read the rest of the article. > > _____ > > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com ] On > Behalf Of Russell Scott > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 17:41 > To: KListeRs > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR BMW F 800 GS > > Somebody was asking for specs on this bike. Go here: > > http://www.rubberma http://www.rubbermag.com/news/0711/071106_06.html> > g.com/news/0711/071106_06.html > > I think BMW has hit a home run with this bike. The problem is you might > have to pay an A-Rod price to experience and maintain it. > > R > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- James Morrow Sr Union, MO '00' RT + dual plug + Bunkhouse '00' BUSA + 15hp '05' KLR650 + big fun factor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]