warning and two lessons

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In a message dated 04/29/2000 9:48:00 PM Mountain Daylight Time, dust1972@... writes: >>

[Robert Morgan]

It's all about pants man. As a predominately pants preoccupied person I feel persuaded to participate in this pants discussion. Pants are cool. Pants are important. The guy that said "Don't leave home without 'em"....he was talking about pants. There is nothing worse than a pants problem while riding. Often times a mere pants perplexity can deteriorate into a serious pants problem and if left uncorrected can further deteriorate into full blown pants pandemonium! Motorcycling poses a number of predicaments with respect to pants perceptions. There are a plethora of pants options available for the person who actually wears the pants on the motorcycle , so to speak. If I am riding mostly on the street or on a long ride I wear my Aerostitch pants. They are black in color so if you are going to play in the mud or dirt they get filthy fast. I have the polar fleece liner for them (as well as the jacket) so on a long ride or overnighter they are my first pick. They are very comfortable and have integrated knee armor. They are expensive. They are Gortex and Cordura. If I go to play in the dirt or I am going to hike off into the bush I wear Carharts work pants. They are heavy cotton canvas with double reinforced knees. They are baggy and fit loose enough to wear knee and shin guards under them comfortably. They are indestructible and wash easily. I like cotton because it breathes and won't melt at extreme temperature. I have recently (on Carhartt's website www.carhartt.com/ ) seen bib overalls constructed of the same Moab colored brown canvas. They have several types all with double thick knees. My favorites zip up the outer leg seam to the knee so they are easy to put on over riding boots. If I could find somewhere to buy these I'd own some for sure. Bib overalls rule! There are all kinds of dirt bike pants but the whole MTV graphics thing turns me off. Moose has some "ventilated desert pants" that look cool but I am not sure how much protection they provide, especially around cactus. If I am riding for a long spell I have taken to wearing Moose padded chamois lined bike shorts under whatever pants I wear. It makes taking a leak a hassle but really helps the sweaty sore ass aspect of long distance riding. Morgan

----- Original Message ----- From: Dust To: DSN_klr650@egroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 8:47 PM Subject: [DSN_klr650] Riding Pants Suggestions > Looking at getting some riding pants. Have absolutely no clue. > > I ride mostly on the road, and maybe 10-20% gravel and light trails. > No Gonzo ar anything like that (yet). I will be riding back and > forth to work after my relocation to Texas in a month. As some of > you know it is HOT in Texas. Please take this into consideration > with your recommendations. > > Q1: Are Jeans good enough? > Q2: If jeans don't cut it, what should I look for in a pair of > motorcycle pants? OOOOO that could really sound bad. > Q3: Any specific brand of pants that are known to be cool (maybe > could wear over a pair of shorts for the ride)? > > Really trying to be serious here...help me out...serious doesn't come > easily for me. > > Any help is much appreciated, > > Dust > A14 "Rhino" > Man with BIG Grin > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers. > http://click.egroups.com/1/3019/3/_/911801/_/957066452/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > >

[Calis]

>If I could find somewhere to buy these I'd own some for sure.

Got a farm/tractor supply type place near you? We have a place out here called Rural King that sells everything Carhart. And they have all sorts of neat things both related and unrelated to farming...thinking about mounting cattle prods on the KLR.... Calis

[Dustin McCarty]

I do not know why it didn't occur to wear bib-overalls. I own 3 pair (2 are the canvas type). I could wear those over shorts with no prob, and simply take them off when I got to work. Just worry about a wreck and not having any armor. (new at this, but know Knee+Pavement=OW) P.S. There is another (actually several) companies that make that canvas carhart type overall. I like RoundBarn Brand. About the same quality as Carhart, but about 1/3 less expensive. 'Preciate the Pure Prompt Pant Perspective. Probably Prevent Plenty of Possible Personal Predicaments. Dust A14 "Rhino" Man with BIG Grin

>From: "Robert Morgan" >To: DSN_klr650@egroups.com>, "Dust " >Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Riding Pants Suggestions >Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 09:21:07 -0700 > > It's all about pants man. As a predominately pants preoccupied person >I >feel persuaded to participate in this pants discussion. Pants are cool. >Pants are important. The guy that said "Don't leave home without >'em"....he >was talking about pants. There is nothing worse than a pants problem while >riding. Often times a mere pants perplexity can deteriorate into a serious >pants problem and if left uncorrected can further deteriorate into full >blown pants pandemonium! > Motorcycling poses a number of predicaments with respect to pants >perceptions. There are a plethora of pants options available for the >person >who actually wears the pants on the motorcycle , so to speak. > If I am riding mostly on the street or on a long ride I wear my >Aerostitch pants. They are black in color so if you are going to play in >the mud or dirt they get filthy fast. I have the polar fleece liner for >them (as well as the jacket) so on a long ride or overnighter they are my >first pick. They are very comfortable and have integrated knee armor. >They >are expensive. They are Gortex and Cordura. > If I go to play in the dirt or I am going to hike off into the bush I >wear Carharts work pants. They are heavy cotton canvas with double >reinforced knees. They are baggy and fit loose enough to wear knee and >shin >guards under them comfortably. They are indestructible and wash easily. I >like cotton because it breathes and won't melt at extreme temperature. > I have recently (on Carhartt's website www.carhartt.com/ ) seen bib >overalls constructed of the same Moab colored brown canvas. They have >several types all with double thick knees. My favorites zip up the outer >leg seam to the knee so they are easy to put on over riding boots. If I >could find somewhere to buy these I'd own some for sure. Bib overalls >rule! > There are all kinds of dirt bike pants but the whole MTV graphics >thing >turns me off. Moose has some "ventilated desert pants" that look cool but >I >am not sure how much protection they provide, especially around cactus. > If I am riding for a long spell I have taken to wearing Moose padded >chamois lined bike shorts under whatever pants I wear. It makes taking a >leak a hassle but really helps the sweaty sore ass aspect of long distance >riding. >Morgan >----- Original Message ----- >From: Dust >To: DSN_klr650@egroups.com> >Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 8:47 PM >Subject: [DSN_klr650] Riding Pants Suggestions > > > > Looking at getting some riding pants. Have absolutely no clue. > > > > I ride mostly on the road, and maybe 10-20% gravel and light trails. > > No Gonzo ar anything like that (yet). I will be riding back and > > forth to work after my relocation to Texas in a month. As some of > > you know it is HOT in Texas. Please take this into consideration > > with your recommendations. > > > > Q1: Are Jeans good enough? > > Q2: If jeans don't cut it, what should I look for in a pair of > > motorcycle pants? OOOOO that could really sound bad. > > Q3: Any specific brand of pants that are known to be cool (maybe > > could wear over a pair of shorts for the ride)? > > > > Really trying to be serious here...help me out...serious doesn't come > > easily for me. > > > > Any help is much appreciated, > > > > Dust > > A14 "Rhino" > > Man with BIG Grin > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers. > > http://click.egroups.com/1/3019/3/_/911801/_/957066452/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > >

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[Michael Hoyt]

One of my friends went down yesterday. He is a very experienced rider (30 years) including three years of competitive flat track. He'd ridden 15 freeway miles, so the tires were well warmed. He never takes corners agressively, until he's ridden a bunch of them and can assess how he's feeling. He fell on the third curve, a sweeper, at about 50 mph. He was with another friend who isn't an agressive rider. They weren't pushing at all. He said it all played out very clearly. The rear tire, without prior warning, broke loose. He dug back to the flat track days and gave it a little gas hoping to stand it up, but it just kept going down. He slid a ways on the black top, then through gravel, off of an embankment, into a fence. He did a WWF move off the ropes and went to the ground. Here's the warning: He was on GP110s. He'd had little hints in the past, but was able to correct. He said they would break loose with absolutely no predictability. Beware. Here's the lessons: First, He was wearing an Aerostich Roadcrafter. Every panel of the pants are torn and several areas on the coat are torn. His only injurys are several areas of mild road rash. The largest, on a knee, is about the size of a quarter. Second, he always rides with his Givis on. They took the majority of the punishment. The bike was in amazingly good shape and they kept the bike from pinning him. Spend $1500 bucks less on your bike and buy good protective gear. If you were told that you could walk away from a 50 mph crash, but it would cost you $800, most would jump at that insurance. Have fun. Good luck. M