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Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

Post by quadrant_6 » Mon Jan 25, 2016 7:08 pm

Hi Roy, you can take my silence is that I have a job, LOL. Just getting back here. I, in no way, am trying to be secretive but because there has been so much secrecy, I was curious what my statements would stir up. The fact that you asked Mike if he owned the robot and he said no but then didn t offer you the information regarding who does is, in and of itself, secretive, especially when Mike had access to it.

So, I never suggested Mike owns the hero, only that he was given access to it during his time manufacturing robots. Yes, some of his parts were from that time. I grabbed a torso at the time because I knew the source. That s why his robots look so-o-o-o authentic, in my opinion.

I only stated that he had access and if Kevin Burns handles licensing, then Kevin had to provide that access meaning Kevin has to know who the owner is in order to grant that access. Right? Makes sense, Kevin s the one who sold it.

I just have my theory and I ll have to go back and check my notes to see why I believe it is where it is before I say. It s been a while since I tracked it and I wanna make sure now that I ve opened my big mouth :^D

Like I said, if Mike knows and Kevin obviously knows, I have to imagine other members know and nobody s talking. On the other hand, are we disrespecting someone s wish to remain private by trying to uncover the truth?

My theory is just based on my own observations. Let me see what I may have as definitive proof amongst my notes.

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Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

Post by quadrant_6 » Mon Jan 25, 2016 7:40 pm

This is a good list Charlie, as I remember.

I think Will Huff made his own molds, I can't remember, I do remember that the club had to wait over a year for Will's rubber parts because Mike had him supply the rubber parts for all his replicas first.  And since that was the case, I wonder if there were original molds involved in Will's original work. Presumably, Mike would have shared any resources he had with Will to get the best parts for his licensed replicas.

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Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

Post by Charlie's BatCave » Mon Jan 25, 2016 7:55 pm

I don't believe that Will is using the original mold for his parts but that is just my opinion. Will's parts are TOO nice! I think he, Will, probably made all his own molds as well.

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This is a good list Charlie, as I remember.

I think Will Huff made his own molds, I can't remember, I do remember that the club had to wait over a year for Will's rubber parts because Mike had him supply the rubber parts for all his replicas first. And since that was the case, I wonder if there were original molds involved in Will's original work. Presumably, Mike would have shared any resources he had with Will to get the best parts for his licensed replicas.

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Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

Post by ponyboy8844 » Mon Jan 25, 2016 7:55 pm

Haha! Sorry about that Garry! I had the day off so that's why I've been rambling on here. So when I asked Mike if he owned the hero and he said no, he did add that if anyone knows, nobody's talking. I'm trying to remember but when Mike went to visit with Kevin Burns, I think the hero had already been sold. I don't think Mike had access to the hero. He only had access to the original molds, neon, collar jig and Bermuda shorts that Bob May used. He and Craig and I think Charlie all went together. They took pictures of their trip and the things Kevin still had left. As far as I know Kevin never said who he sold the original to and they were never taken to where the hero was since it was already in private hands. Is this correct Charlie? I'm sure they would have told us they got to see the hero as excited as they were about seeing the other stuff. And if they did get to see the hero and the owner wished to remain anonymous, they would have told us that.   -Roy

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Hi Roy, you can take my silence is that I have a job, LOL. Just getting back here. I, in no way, am trying to be secretive but because there has been so much secrecy, I was curious what my statements would stir up. The fact that you asked Mike if he owned the robot and he said no but then didn t offer you the information regarding who does is, in and of itself, secretive, especially when Mike had access to it.

So, I never suggested Mike owns the hero, only that he was given access to it during his time manufacturing robots. Yes, some of his parts were from that time. I grabbed a torso at the time because I knew the source. That s why his robots look so-o-o-o authentic, in my opinion.

I only stated that he had access and if Kevin Burns handles licensing, then Kevin had to provide that access meaning Kevin has to know who the owner is in order to grant that access. Right? Makes sense, Kevin s the one who sold it.

I just have my theory and I ll have to go back and check my notes to see why I believe it is where it is before I say. It s been a while since I tracked it and I wanna make sure now that I ve opened my big mouth :^D

Like I said, if Mike knows and Kevin obviously knows, I have to imagine other members know and nobody s talking. On the other hand, are we disrespecting someone s wish to remain private by trying to uncover the truth?

My theory is just based on my own observations. Let me see what I may have as definitive proof amongst my notes.

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Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

Post by ponyboy8844 » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:02 pm

Paul for sure bought the stunt. Had it restored by Fred Barton and had it on display at the Sci-fi museum since he owns that too. I don't think he bought the hero or it would have been on display there also. I wonder why the stunt is no longer on display though? The receptionist probably just didn't know.  -Roy

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I may be wrong but I am thinking Paul Allen bought the Hero from Kevin in 1998 or 1999. I think that when the Dunny was restored it was sold or donated to the Sci-Fi Museum I just called and spoke to the Admin Office and she didn't think that Robot was owned by Paul Allen but since it is currently NOT on display she couldn't tell me for certain.

Anyway that's how I remember it.

Mike Joyce needs to chime in here.

Mike??

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Hi Charlie!    I thought Paul Allen only owned the stunt robot that now resides in the Sci-fi museum in Seattle. Does he own the hero also?  -Roy

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Well that sucks....let's see if I can remember....

MikeJ does NOT own the hero Robot, never did. When it was for sale, Michael Jackson was going to purchase it but when he found out how bad it was he backed out. Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft Inc now owns it.

The MikeJ torso or TimK/MikeJ, torso is reverse engineered.

The Torso that was used in the B9 Creations Replicas by MikeJ are made from the original molds provided to B9 Ceations by Kevin Burns.

The torso for the B9 Creation. is now referred to "The V-2 Torso" that you can purchase from Craig R.

All the rubber parts, legs, knees, arms and bubble lifter boot for the B9 Creations Replica were made by Will Huff and are the same parts you can buy today. Same stuff.

I think that about covers it....

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Charlie, Were you going to say something? Your message didn't come through.

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That's what I've suspected. I know Mike's replicas used pulls from the original stone molds for the torso that Kevin Burns owned. I think the legs as well from the original molds which thankfully still exist. Those replicas were really excellent.   -Roy

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Isn't that where some parts are originating from, like the MikeJ-v2 Torso ???

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So I'll take the silence as a "yes". Although I asked Mike a few years ago at one of the Robocons if he owned the hero and he said no. Maybe he just didn't want to say. So I'm not trying to start any arguments or anything but why all the secrecy? I mean if one of us in the club owns the hero, isn't that a good thing? At least he's owned by someone who appreciates it and will take care of it. If I owned him, I'd be proud of it. Share photos and info to better provide info to the club and people who equally appreciate it. Just sayin'!              -Roy

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Are you saying Mike owns the hero? 

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This photo is becoming even more of a mystery. Some great evidence has been added here. I always thought the hero legs were useless after the MI retro-fit, and that s probably because they did appear hardened and looked different, shiny, to me but that fact that you, Marc, saw the hero at the Boston reunion and saw the white paint is proof they were used for a time. The legs in this photo to me look like they did on the show as they never looked that way again. It was the specific way they looked when Bob was in it. There s that first bellow right where the legs spit into two different legs, right below the crotch if you will on the right leg. There s that first  bellow there that always droops. It looks like that on every occasion of the show but never after, never that severe. But I do believe the guys who noticed the Greg Jein altercations on the stunt so I now have to imagine that it s not from the show but is indeed our hero and his stunt double, it s just a question of when. Maybe I ll send Flint an email, he must know. Anyway, you know when these robots were acquired there are some molds that go along with them and duplicate parts were made.

Let s also not forget that the robot did have a sort of career after LIS and before Mystery Island where he would make public appearances and I m sure parts here and there were broken and was in need of replacing with whatever. I remember seeing a photo of the hero on a Jerry Lewis telethon maybe in 1970 and he had an acrylic cake box for a bubble, you know the one more like the Mystery Island flat on the top and bottom kind.

I ve tracked these robots since the 80 s when I reached out to Flint after having discovered LISFAN, I m sure a lot of us did, following the robot s journey after he was unearthed by Kevin. I love researching him and following the trail and getting that photographic evidence. However, there are tons of stuff we ll never know, mostly during the show s run. Case in point, I don t know how many of you remember that there was an original radar on eBay, not screen used but pulled from the mold during the production of the show. I m sure there were many back-up parts during the production of a show where time is money. Anyway, I won that radar and the interesting thing about it is that it had, in resign, the bubble lifter boot so that was part of the radar mold. Interesting to be sure and proof that there s so much we won t know.

As far as after the discovery of both robots in storage, that history we should and can know. I agree with Marc 100% that this should all be documented on the web site and for the most part I think it was to some degree. Posts have been put up and removed over time but I haven t been there in a long time so I don t know what s up now. Wasn t Dan Monroe s brilliant epitaph to the stunt robot (1967-2004) up on the site. I was disappointed that there wasn't a Robot featurette like the Robby one on the 50th Forbidden Planet DVD on the new LIS set.

As far as who owns these robots, it s no secret that the stunt version is in Paul Allen s Sci FI museum or what s left of him. As far as the hero, I think it s been a loosely guarded secret. I know that Mike J was given access and was privy to the original robot when he started his licensed version venture and acquired a ton of first hand, useful information from the original that he wasn t very eager to share with the group. I mean if his replicas were gonna sell they had to be the best, right? Anyway, if that happened, and it did, that means Kevin knows who owns the hero and why wouldn t he, he owned it. I m sure many of the senior members know where the hero is too, I do. I find it amusing as to the secrecy, I mean, if you followed these robot s history, you d know, right? LOL

Garry

Hey Guys,

MikeJ does NOT own the original Hero B9. He was allowed to use original molds and other items owned by Kevin Burns to use in making the B9 Creations Replica. The rubber, legs, arms and bubble boot is made by Will Huff. The same product he is selling to the builders today. The original Hero Robot is owned by Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft Inc. The "Dummy" Robot was restored and is in th Sci-Fi Museum in Seattle.

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Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

Post by quadrant_6 » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:10 pm

Roy,

Since we re reviving our memories here, you may be right about Mike just getting access to Kevin s molds and random parts. I can t be 100% sure if he had access to the original hero although for some reason I always thought he did.

Again, all this talk is refreshing my memory but also making me question some things which is why I wanna check my notes. I m not at my studio today so it ll have to wait.

Garry

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Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

Post by Charlie's BatCave » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:15 pm

OK Well thanks for setting me straight. The gal I spoke to at the museum checked her list of active displays for the info and the Robot wasn't listed so it isn't on display. When I checked the website I couldn't find it either and in the past it was listed. My old laptop died last year so I don't have access to the pictures I took of the Robot and the plaque that was with it.


Also, I contacted CraigR and he should be adding what he know on this topic here shortly.

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Paul for sure bought the stunt. Had it restored by Fred Barton and had it on display at the Sci-fi museum since he owns that too. I don't think he bought the hero or it would have been on display there also. I wonder why the stunt is no longer on display though? The receptionist probably just didn't know. -Roy

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I may be wrong but I am thinking Paul Allen bought the Hero from Kevin in 1998 or 1999. I think that when the Dunny was restored it was sold or donated to the Sci-Fi Museum I just called and spoke to the Admin Office and she didn't think that Robot was owned by Paul Allen but since it is currently NOT on display she couldn't tell me for certain.



Anyway that's how I remember it.



Mike Joyce needs to chime in here.



Mike??



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Hi Charlie! I thought Paul Allen only owned the stunt robot that now resides in the Sci-fi museum in Seattle. Does he own the hero also? -Roy



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Well that sucks....let's see if I can remember....



MikeJ does NOT own the hero Robot, never did. When it was for sale, Michael Jackson was going to purchase it but when he found out how bad it was he backed out. Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft Inc now owns it.



The MikeJ torso or TimK/MikeJ, torso is reverse engineered.



The Torso that was used in the B9 Creations Replicas by MikeJ are made from the original molds provided to B9 Ceations by Kevin Burns.



The torso for the B9 Creation. is now referred to "The V-2 Torso" that you can purchase from Craig R.



All the rubber parts, legs, knees, arms and bubble lifter boot for the B9 Creations Replica were made by Will Huff and are the same parts you can buy today. Same stuff.



I think that about covers it....



Charlie



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Charlie, Were you going to say something? Your message didn't come through.



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That's what I've suspected. I know Mike's replicas used pulls from the original stone molds for the torso that Kevin Burns owned. I think the legs as well from the original molds which thankfully still exist. Those replicas were really excellent. -Roy



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Isn't that where some parts are originating from, like the MikeJ-v2 Torso ???



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So I'll take the silence as a "yes". Although I asked Mike a few years ago at one of the Robocons if he owned the hero and he said no. Maybe he just didn't want to say. So I'm not trying to start any arguments or anything but why all the secrecy? I mean if one of us in the club owns the hero, isn't that a good thing? At least he's owned by someone who appreciates it and will take care of it. If I owned him, I'd be proud of it. Share photos and info to better provide info to the club and people who equally appreciate it. Just sayin'! -Roy



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From: "ponyboy8844 ponyboy8844@comcast.net [B9Builders]"



Date: 01/24/2016 10:22 PM (GMT-07:00)



To: Robot Builders



Subject: RE: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side







Are you saying Mike owns the hero?



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From: "quadrant-6@nyc.rr.com [B9Builders]"



Date: 01/24/2016 9:24 PM (GMT-07:00)



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Subject: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side







This photo is becoming even more of a mystery. Some great evidence has been added here. I always thought the hero legs were useless after the MI retro-fit, and that s probably because they did appear hardened and looked different, shiny, to me but that fact that you, Marc, saw the hero at the Boston reunion and saw the white paint is proof they were used for a time. The legs in this photo to me look like they did on the show as they never looked that way again. It was the specific way they looked when Bob was in it. There s that first bellow right where the legs spit into two different legs, right below the crotch if you will on the right leg. There s that first bellow there that always droops. It looks like that on every occasion of the show but never after, never that severe. But I do believe the guys who noticed the Greg Jein altercations on the stunt so I now have to imagine that it s not from the show but is indeed our hero and his stunt double, it s just a question of when. Maybe I ll send Flint an email, he must know. Anyway, you know when these robots were acquired there are some molds that go along with them and duplicate parts were made.



Let s also not forget that the robot did have a sort of career after LIS and before Mystery Island where he would make public appearances and I m sure parts here and there were broken and was in need of replacing with whatever. I remember seeing a photo of the hero on a Jerry Lewis telethon maybe in 1970 and he had an acrylic cake box for a bubble, you know the one more like the Mystery Island flat on the top and bottom kind.



I ve tracked these robots since the 80 s when I reached out to Flint after having discovered LISFAN, I m sure a lot of us did, following the robot s journey after he was unearthed by Kevin. I love researching him and following the trail and getting that photographic evidence. However, there are tons of stuff we ll never know, mostly during the show s run. Case in point, I don t know how many of you remember that there was an original radar on eBay, not screen used but pulled from the mold during the production of the show. I m sure there were many back-up parts during the production of a show where time is money. Anyway, I won that radar and the interesting thing about it is that it had, in resign, the bubble lifter boot so that was part of the radar mold. Interesting to be sure and proof that there s so much we won t know.



As far as after the discovery of both robots in storage, that history we should and can know. I agree with Marc 100% that this should all be documented on the web site and for the most part I think it was to some degree. Posts have been put up and removed over time but I haven t been there in a long time so I don t know what s up now. Wasn t Dan Monroe s brilliant epitaph to the stunt robot (1967-2004) up on the site. I was disappointed that there wasn't a Robot featurette like the Robby one on the 50th Forbidden Planet DVD on the new LIS set.



As far as who owns these robots, it s no secret that the stunt version is in Paul Allen s Sci FI museum or what s left of him. As far as the hero, I think it s been a loosely guarded secret. I know that Mike J was given access and was privy to the original robot when he started his licensed version venture and acquired a ton of first hand, useful information from the original that he wasn t very eager to share with the group. I mean if his replicas were gonna sell they had to be the best, right? Anyway, if that happened, and it did, that means Kevin knows who owns the hero and why wouldn t he, he owned it. I m sure many of the senior members know where the hero is too, I do. I find it amusing as to the secrecy, I mean, if you followed these robot s history, you d know, right? LOL



Garry



Hey Guys,



MikeJ does NOT own the original Hero B9. He was allowed to use original molds and other items owned by Kevin Burns to use in making the B9 Creations Replica. The rubber, legs, arms and bubble boot is made by Will Huff. The same product he is selling to the builders today. The original Hero Robot is owned by Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft Inc. The "Dummy" Robot was restored and is in th Sci-Fi Museum in Seattle.



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warpig2011
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Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

Post by warpig2011 » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:21 pm

Here's photos on the B9 site when Mike J. visited Kevin Burns to see the original parts:

The B9 Robot Builders Club Image The B9 Robot Builders Club Visiting Kevin Burns in LA, April 2005     04/05/2005 View on b9robotbuildersclub... Preview by Yahoo
 

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Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

Post by ponyboy8844 » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:29 pm

They probably rotate the artifacts from time to time since they have so much. Thanks Charlie. I'll be interested to hear Craig's input on all this.    -Roy

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From: "Charlie's BatCave batcave@comcast.net [B9Builders]"
Date: 01/25/2016 6:15 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: "Group, B9"
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

 
OK Well thanks for setting me straight. The gal I spoke to at the museum checked her list of active displays for the info and the Robot wasn't listed so it isn't on display. When I checked the website I couldn't find it either and in the past it was listed. My old laptop died last year so I don't have access to the pictures I took of the Robot and the plaque that was with it.

Also, I contacted CraigR and he should be adding what he know on this topic here shortly.

Charlie
RoboCon
The Place Where Robots Meet
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From: "ponyboy8844 ponyboy8844@comcast.net [B9Builders]"
To: "Robot Builders"
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 6:02:22 PM
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Paul for sure bought the stunt. Had it restored by Fred Barton and had it on display at the Sci-fi museum since he owns that too. I don't think he bought the hero or it would have been on display there also. I wonder why the stunt is no longer on display though? The receptionist probably just didn't know.  -Roy

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From: "Charlie's BatCave batcave@comcast.net [B9Builders]"
Date: 01/25/2016 4:45 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: "Group, B9"
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

 

I may be wrong but I am thinking Paul Allen bought the Hero from Kevin in 1998 or 1999. I think that when the Dunny was restored it was sold or donated to the Sci-Fi Museum I just called and spoke to the Admin Office and she didn't think that Robot was owned by Paul Allen but since it is currently NOT on display she couldn't tell me for certain.

Anyway that's how I remember it.

Mike Joyce needs to chime in here.

Mike??

Charlie

RoboCon

The Place Where Robots Meet

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From: "ponyboy8844 ponyboy8844@comcast.net [B9Builders]"

To: "Robot Builders"

Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 4:21:21 PM

Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

Hi Charlie!    I thought Paul Allen only owned the stunt robot that now resides in the Sci-fi museum in Seattle. Does he own the hero also?  -Roy

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From: "Charlie's BatCave batcave@comcast.net [B9Builders]"

Date: 01/25/2016 4:08 PM (GMT-07:00)

To: "Group, B9"

Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

 

Well that sucks....let's see if I can remember....

MikeJ does NOT own the hero Robot, never did. When it was for sale, Michael Jackson was going to purchase it but when he found out how bad it was he backed out. Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft Inc now owns it.

The MikeJ torso or TimK/MikeJ, torso is reverse engineered.

The Torso that was used in the B9 Creations Replicas by MikeJ are made from the original molds provided to B9 Ceations by Kevin Burns.

The torso for the B9 Creation. is now referred to "The V-2 Torso" that you can purchase from Craig R.

All the rubber parts, legs, knees, arms and bubble lifter boot for the B9 Creations Replica were made by Will Huff and are the same parts you can buy today. Same stuff.

I think that about covers it....

Charlie

RoboCon

The Place Where Robots Meet

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Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 3:24:55 PM

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Charlie, Were you going to say something? Your message didn't come through.

From: "Charlie's BatCave batcave@comcast.net [B9Builders]"

To: "Group, B9"

Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 2:19 PM

Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

 

Charlie

RoboCon

The Place Where Robots Meet

www.robocondenver.com

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From: "ponyboy8844 ponyboy8844@comcast.net [B9Builders]"

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Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 3:10:03 PM

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That's what I've suspected. I know Mike's replicas used pulls from the original stone molds for the torso that Kevin Burns owned. I think the legs as well from the original molds which thankfully still exist. Those replicas were really excellent.   -Roy

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From: "sandy rivera sandrockriver996@yahoo.com [B9Builders]"

Date: 01/25/2016 2:03 PM (GMT-07:00)

To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

 

Isn't that where some parts are originating from, like the MikeJ-v2 Torso ???

From: "ponyboy8844 ponyboy8844@comcast.net [B9Builders]"

To: Robot Builders

Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 12:12 PM

Subject: RE: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

 

So I'll take the silence as a "yes". Although I asked Mike a few years ago at one of the Robocons if he owned the hero and he said no. Maybe he just didn't want to say. So I'm not trying to start any arguments or anything but why all the secrecy? I mean if one of us in the club owns the hero, isn't that a good thing? At least he's owned by someone who appreciates it and will take care of it. If I owned him, I'd be proud of it. Share photos and info to better provide info to the club and people who equally appreciate it. Just sayin'!              -Roy

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From: "ponyboy8844 ponyboy8844@comcast.net [B9Builders]"

Date: 01/24/2016 10:22 PM (GMT-07:00)

To: Robot Builders

Subject: RE: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

 

Are you saying Mike owns the hero? 

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From: "quadrant-6@nyc.rr.com [B9Builders]"

Date: 01/24/2016 9:24 PM (GMT-07:00)

To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

 

This photo is becoming even more of a mystery. Some great evidence has been added here. I always thought the hero legs were useless after the MI retro-fit, and that s probably because they did appear hardened and looked different, shiny, to me but that fact that you, Marc, saw the hero at the Boston reunion and saw the white paint is proof they were used for a time. The legs in this photo to me look like they did on the show as they never looked that way again. It was the specific way they looked when Bob was in it. There s that first bellow right where the legs spit into two different legs, right below the crotch if you will on the right leg. There s that first  bellow there that always droops. It looks like that on every occasion of the show but never after, never that severe. But I do believe the guys who noticed the Greg Jein altercations on the stunt so I now have to imagine that it s not from the show but is indeed our hero and his stunt double, it s just a question of when. Maybe I ll send Flint an email, he must know. Anyway, you know when these robots were acquired there are some molds that go along with them and duplicate parts were made.

Let s also not forget that the robot did have a sort of career after LIS and before Mystery Island where he would make public appearances and I m sure parts here and there were broken and was in need of replacing with whatever. I remember seeing a photo of the hero on a Jerry Lewis telethon maybe in 1970 and he had an acrylic cake box for a bubble, you know the one more like the Mystery Island flat on the top and bottom kind.

I ve tracked these robots since the 80 s when I reached out to Flint after having discovered LISFAN, I m sure a lot of us did, following the robot s journey after he was unearthed by Kevin. I love researching him and following the trail and getting that photographic evidence. However, there are tons of stuff we ll never know, mostly during the show s run. Case in point, I don t know how many of you remember that there was an original radar on eBay, not screen used but pulled from the mold during the production of the show. I m sure there were many back-up parts during the production of a show where time is money. Anyway, I won that radar and the interesting thing about it is that it had, in resign, the bubble lifter boot so that was part of the radar mold. Interesting to be sure and proof that there s so much we won t know.

As far as after the discovery of both robots in storage, that history we should and can know. I agree with Marc 100% that this should all be documented on the web site and for the most part I think it was to some degree. Posts have been put up and removed over time but I haven t been there in a long time so I don t know what s up now. Wasn t Dan Monroe s brilliant epitaph to the stunt robot (1967-2004) up on the site. I was disappointed that there wasn't a Robot featurette like the Robby one on the 50th Forbidden Planet DVD on the new LIS set.

As far as who owns these robots, it s no secret that the stunt version is in Paul Allen s Sci FI museum or what s left of him. As far as the hero, I think it s been a loosely guarded secret. I know that Mike J was given access and was privy to the original robot when he started his licensed version venture and acquired a ton of first hand, useful information from the original that he wasn t very eager to share with the group. I mean if his replicas were gonna sell they had to be the best, right? Anyway, if that happened, and it did, that means Kevin knows who owns the hero and why wouldn t he, he owned it. I m sure many of the senior members know where the hero is too, I do. I find it amusing as to the secrecy, I mean, if you followed these robot s history, you d know, right? LOL

Garry

Hey Guys,

MikeJ does NOT own the original Hero B9. He was allowed to use original molds and other items owned by Kevin Burns to use in making the B9 Creations Replica. The rubber, legs, arms and bubble boot is made by Will Huff. The same product he is selling to the builders today. The original Hero Robot is owned by Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft Inc. The "Dummy" Robot was restored and is in th Sci-Fi Museum in Seattle.

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Sandy Rivera
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Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

Post by Sandy Rivera » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:35 pm

Some of those Robot parts look way too old to be the restored B9? I wonder what happened to the original tread section when they decided to change the Robot for Mystery Island.......




From: "warpig@cyberpigstudio.com [B9Builders]"
To: B9Builders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [B9Builders] Re: Original Hero and Long Distance Robot Side by Side

  Here's photos on the B9 site when Mike J. visited Kevin Burns to see the original parts:

The B9 Robot Builders Club Image The B9 Robot Builders Club Visiting Kevin Burns in LA, April 2005     04/05/2005 View on b9robotbuildersclub... 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