Corner CHAT LOG Psychology and Magic June 5, 2017

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Corner CHAT LOG Psychology and Magic June 5, 2017

Unread post by nagasiva » Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:27 pm

Candelo's Corner: Psychology and Magic ... -and-magic

The most important magical tool we have is our minds. The thoughts we allow ourselves to dwell on can cause an impact in our world, positive or negative. Our mental state when performing magic is crucial and as much work needs to be done with our mind as assembling the ingredients for a spell.

Tonight we will discuss Psychology and magic and bring you tips and tricks to take charge of the tangled jungle of your mind.

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*** (19:36:18):Welcome to the Candelos Corner Radio Chat Room.
19:40:13 dragon gypsee Hello Troll!
19:41:35 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti My favourite connection between magic and psychology is with Abraham Maslow, and his Hiearchy of Needs.
19:41:51 catherine yronwode When people ask me ""Is it going to work?"" and indicate they don't have strong faith in magic, ii tell them -- ""Lots of people wonder about that, and i have written an answer for you! You can find it here: ""
19:42:11 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti It's a FAQ!
19:43:16 catherine yronwode At that page are my personal replies to questions like How do real magick spells actually work? Do magick spells always work? Are powerful magick spells guaranteed to work? Is magick spell-casting worth trying if it is not guaranteed?
19:43:25 catherine yronwode Yes, LOL, it is a FAQ!
19:43:27 Amorea-Lady A My is albert Einstein on spirituality, the strongest force to remain true to your purpose.
19:44:19 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs indicates the general proportion of aims you can see in those who seek results from magic and the planes of operation: physical, mental, spiritual, mystical.
19:44:30 Christie73 I always pray with ""I know you will bring this into fruition and if you don't I know you will bring something better""
19:44:50 Christie73 and I believe it and it's happened as such
19:45:01 catherine yronwode More questions answered at that page: Are magick spells real or are the results just coincidence? If magick spells are real, why doesn't everyone use them? Which magick spells are the strongest and most powerful?
19:45:13 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti I'm convinced that the vector of application is best set into the planet of the desired results. You want physical results, then use physical components and spells.
19:45:24 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti planet/plane
19:45:54 catherine yronwode I recommend that EVERY WORKER should prepare such a list of questions with answers IN THEIR OWN WORDS and ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN BELIEFS. Place the list of questions and answers on your web site!
19:45:59 Christie73 Definitely action is a must
19:46:02 Itsallaboutnic LOL
19:46:09 Christie73 lol
19:46:19 ethertarot wepa
19:46:27 ethertarot lmao
19:46:37 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Perhaps they're looking for someone who wants a transition and is looking for a trigger.
19:46:54 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti I've helped people to do that ritually.
19:47:06 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti They used the medical establishment to initiate that transition.
19:47:19 catherine yronwode Define ""a transition"" Define ""a trigger.""
19:47:41 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti A trigger is an initiation or propulsion out of stasis.
19:47:57 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti A transition is in this instance related to 'changing sexes'.
19:48:09 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti So transgendering would be the interest in this case.
19:48:28 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Movement beyond that initial propulsion.
19:48:47 catherine yronwode Thanks -- i though you might be referring to ""transition"" as a euphemism for death and ""trigger"" as on the mechanism of a gun!
19:49:00 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti So it may seem like an ""impossible"" result at first, but with modern transforming technology such things are now possible.
19:49:24 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti LOL, Thanks for clarifying the possible ilmplications. I had no such things in mind.
19:49:49 catherine yronwode Gotcha.
19:50:10 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti I don't regard death as a transition, and the typical use i come from with respect to a 'trigger' is from psychonautics and mysticism.
19:50:47 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti It definitely hits on psychology, with 'triggered repercussions' in the most negative sense, or 'triggered expanse' at its best.
19:52:05 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Down at the very bottom of the Hierarchy of Needs, the most turbulent intersection of psychology and magic is the attraction *to* magic and occult things by the unbalanced and totally disjointed/disheveled.
19:52:42 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti The mentally ill being attracted to magical studies, practitioners, and organizations.
19:53:32 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Much higher on that pyramid are charms or spells to help people to achieve spiritual maturation, like 'meditation charms', mantram, 'mind spells'.
19:55:35 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Other intermediary zones of psychology and magic are supplements for one's own areas of weakness, helping oneself with magic to support oneself after some self-insight.
19:56:19 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti I've used a doll-baby of myself for this purpose for quite some time, adjustments in minor when i needed a push from outside to help me outside those circumstances of trial.
19:57:44 Ghia I'm a Gemini I am well versed n psychosis....;0
19:57:58 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Modern psychology and psychiatry doesn't remain so ignorant of the terrain of modern religion except in Bible Belt zones or extreme conservative contexts like theocracies.
19:58:24 Amorea-Lady A MY SONG
19:58:35 Ghia YUP GREAT TUNE
19:58:39 Christie73 love this song too
19:58:42 Amorea-Lady A (L)
19:58:50 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Does 'well-versed in psychosis' indicate something disabled or shamanic or what?
19:59:21 Ghia I know it
19:59:56 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti I've encountered modern neo-shamans who explain their state as somewhat fractured with respect to the world of human beings and world of spiriits, for example. Usually they aren't talking so much 'psychosis' (sometimes)
20:00:10 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti but more often 'schizo' due to two-heads-interactions.
20:01:21 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti The world of prayer and mantra seems to directly affect the mental realms, one's psychology. Thus i find it would be best to assist confidence, composure, enthusiasm, and things which can be bolstered or adjustedin
20:01:48 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti the mental plane, using sound.
20:03:35 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti We might ask what psychological types might be drawn to certain types of magic, whether they are benefitting from that engagement, and how much is their own delusions.
20:04:39 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti I notice that edgey and barely grounded types are sometimes drawn to Satanism and demon-summoning, for example. It's like they want to be pushed over the edge, or to reify their
20:04:42 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti internal torment.
20:04:45 Ghia yes, indeed troll
20:05:53 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti I have sometimes been asked to refer or consult with them and typically i recommending grounding initial practices, explaining that the extremes take one off-balance.
20:06:54 ethertarot so i always wondered, can a ""broken"" mind indicate a ""broken"" spirit?
20:07:11 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti I've been part of environs where the mages sought to self-disturb even to self-extinguish, as part of some perverse ordeal they associated with spirituality.
20:08:04 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Perhaps their idea was that re-assembling or self-reconstruction was comparable or experientially similar to mystical achievements.
20:08:25 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti 'Self-actualization' for example.
20:08:43 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Yet my observation was that they were just messing themselves up and feeling good about self-recovery after doing so.
20:09:07 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Comparable to nightly demolition of consciousness using alcohol or other substances.
20:10:04 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti This is part of the pitfall one may discover that is part of psychonautics: unknowingly self-disabling and thinking that this is an advantage.
20:10:51 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti If a spell is ""only in the mind"" do you think it is likely to have connection to and a lasting influence on other realms than the mind?
20:12:43 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti There's a convention of 'broken spirit' which relates to a psychological condition of being psychologically disabled.
20:13:44 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Those who are possessed by spirits are sometimes called 'horses'. Horses in the ordinary world can be 'broken'.
20:14:29 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti 'Spiritual emergency' is a popular notion.
20:14:43 ethertarot i ask that because i see the body as holistic
20:15:08 ethertarot trapped is a better word lol thank you
20:15:10 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Like that body and mind are not really separable?
20:15:54 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti There are techniques of spirit trapping in bottles and rings and lamps and other things several traditions.
20:16:09 ethertarot yeah they are interconnected
20:16:41 ethertarot unless it is just physical. which i do know it can happen
20:17:04 Amorea-Lady A very true in islands they do know how to trap souls in bottles
20:17:12 Amorea-Lady A @troll
20:18:01 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti We had a great workshop from ConjureMan Ali on trapping djinns in bottles at one of the festivals.
20:18:38 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Featured in The Black Folder
20:18:40 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Spirit Vessels and Spirit Traps 46
20:18:50 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti
20:19:06 Amorea-Lady A wow bet that was an amazing workshop
20:19:09 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti It was.
20:19:23 catherine yronwode That was a great worshop -- and the instructions are easy to understand. This is according to Arab folk magic pracrtices -- amazing tradition.
20:20:16 Christie73 have to read that
20:20:42 Life115 lmao
20:21:27 Amorea-Lady A thank you for the link
20:21:47 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti The matrix of intersection between spirits and human beings strikes me as that the commonalities are easiest to exercise influence. Where the spirit is similar in temperament the connection is strongest.
20:23:00 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti People discover stark emblematic and/or personal resonance with particular gods or spirits.
20:23:05 Life115 she was bff w ur ex
20:23:33 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Sometimes that is discovered by priests, sometimes individuals come up with it on their own jourrney.
20:23:47 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Possession versus medium interference is real!
20:24:16 catherine yronwode I had a strange reading once in which the lady told me i had not yet found my true love -- but i was happily married at the time -- to my present husband!
20:24:31 Priestess Divine A lot of people suffering form schizofrenia and other mental ailments are often possesed with multiples
20:24:56 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti LOL Yes mediums can be lost in their own minds and prevented from accurate transmission.
20:25:03 Christie73 LOL
20:25:10 Christie73 lets hope she washed it
20:25:30 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Is there an easy way to distinguish them, in your experience, Priestess Divine?
20:25:57 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti The helpful mediums and those who are awash in multiples or schizo-orders?
20:26:08 Priestess Divine Well I have the gift to discuern spirits but besides that...I don't know
20:26:19 QueenSharisse LOL
20:26:48 Amorea-Lady A @cat that medium falled
20:26:59 Amorea-Lady A failed lolol
20:27:06 Priestess Divine TTroll T.hey behave differntly at times. You could provoke the possessing spiriit
20:27:27 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti When i've been able to observe something of the life and administration of the medium to see if their personal life is all phuqued up, ungrounded and suffering, that was a bit of a tell.
20:27:51 Priestess Divine People have to be careful with provoking the spirit thought depending on what type it is. Could be dangerous.
20:28:00 Ghia covfefed
20:28:13 Amorea-Lady A :D
20:28:36 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Troll-ah-wengay-ah-wengay-troll-ah!
20:28:52 Ghia (lol)
20:28:58 ethertarot omg.
20:29:02 Life115 i LOVE THE NEW MUSIC
20:29:05 ethertarot ROTFL
20:29:04 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti (lol)
20:29:13 Priestess Divine Yes, the music is great as always.
20:29:14 Amorea-Lady A (lol)
20:29:41 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Know who the singer is?
20:30:10 Ghia Harry Belafonte?
20:30:13 Priestess Divine Mama Chola....good song..
20:30:30 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Thanks for naming the song.
20:30:39 ethertarot side note, i wish the new radio station had a playlist so i could know the names of the songs lol *ahem*
20:30:49 Priestess Divine You are welcome
20:31:44 Priestess Divine There are many versions though
20:32:29 Priestess Divine You need to spell that. LOL
20:32:28 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Luca Brandoli, and Baracon
20:32:53 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Heck we just guess the spelling until he tells us. :D
20:33:05 Priestess Divine Lol! Looks good to me
20:33:04 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti LICENCIA!
20:33:42 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Thanks for explaining that, Candelo.
20:34:35 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti A bit of Now You Know!
20:34:59 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Attitude! For a moment i thought you said it was all about absinthe.
20:35:26 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Telling your hand before playing it.
20:35:44 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti That's a very important aspect of magic: psychology of approach.
20:36:10 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Unless you want them to entrench. :)
20:37:24 ethertarot damn daniel.
20:38:10 Priestess Divine Or you are going to scare the *** out of them...Fear is can be powerful too. Can work to your advantage. Just depends on the person.
20:39:16 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Detante, deterrence, deception!!
20:39:42 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti The talking part of their action can become an aspect of their magical actions.
20:40:00 Priestess Divine Lol!!
20:40:08 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Endurance is a testimony as to success.
20:40:48 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti 'Reverse-psychology' can become a realistic approach.
20:41:33 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Disjointed realities as compared to presentation.
20:42:22 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Are personal circumstances an indication of one's power? If they have a Trump Tower can we presume them to be a mega-powerful sorcerer?
20:43:23 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Can studying too much powerful magic affect the mind negatively, perturb one's psychology?
20:43:43 Priestess Divine :D
20:43:53 Priestess Divine LMAO!!
20:43:54 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti 'feet' i thilnk.
20:44:36 ethertarot omg. ROTFL
20:44:42 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Is the general appearance of a worker an indicator of their success? Should we expect them to be living high?
20:45:03 Christie73 lol
20:45:32 Priestess Divine If you got the power you got the power. Not necessarily living high but not looking homeless.
20:45:50 Life115 :D
20:46:17 Priestess Divine (lol) uh oh!!
20:46:25 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti In some stories about magicians and witches they try to give the impression of being very impoverished so as to be misidentified, under-estimated.
20:46:47 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti They should generate a hefty reputation, tho.
20:46:55 Life115 I wanna co host
20:47:28 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Call in!
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20:47:44 Life115 its Kieshia
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20:51:14 Christie73 thanks for a great show gnight everyone
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20:52:10 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti May all the eguns and shadows that accompany you have all the necessary darkness!
20:52:28 QueenSharisse Goodnight All. Great Show! Thank Yall!
20:52:43 ethertarot great show. thank you everyone. have a good night ^_^
20:53:01 Amorea-Lady A goodnight
20:53:06 Priestess Divine GREAT show
20:53:08 Troll Towelhead Grand Mufti Nightee night! Capturing the chat.
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Re: Corner CHAT LOG Psychology and Magic June 5, 2017

Unread post by AlyssaH » Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:54 am

That's funny, I just had a dream with Candelo in it, last night! What does it mean??? Lol
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